Off The Hook - 2026-04-22

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[00:45.340 --> 00:46.380]  [SPEAKER_06]: Announcement 10.
[00:51.730 --> 00:56.250]  [BIG_AUD_DY]: The telephone keeps ringing, so I ripped it off the wall.
[00:57.150 --> 01:01.690]  [BIG_AUD_DY]: I cut myself while shaving, now I can't make a call.
[01:02.310 --> 01:04.550]  [BIG_AUD_DY]: We couldn't get much worse.
[01:05.450 --> 01:07.090]  [BIG_AUD_DY]: But if they could, they would.
[01:07.430 --> 01:10.010]  [BIG_AUD_DY]: One little bomb for the best, expect the worst.
[01:10.610 --> 01:12.530]  [BIG_AUD_DY]: I hope that's understood.
[01:12.690 --> 01:13.450]  [BIG_AUD_DY]: One little bomb.
[02:37.350 --> 02:39.450]  [EVILCORLEY]: And a very good evening to everybody.
[02:39.590 --> 02:41.510]  [EVILCORLEY]: The program is off the hook.
[02:41.830 --> 02:44.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: Emmanuel Goldstein here with you on this Wednesday evening.
[02:44.650 --> 02:46.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: Joined by Kyle.
[02:46.470 --> 02:47.330]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Hey, how's it going?
[02:47.530 --> 02:50.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: Out in Signal-land, we have Rob T. Firefly.
[02:51.030 --> 02:51.890]  [ROBVINCENT]: Good evening.
[02:52.190 --> 02:53.030]  [EVILCORLEY]: We have Gila.
[02:53.350 --> 02:54.050]  [ALEXURBELS]: Good evening.
[02:54.350 --> 02:55.950]  [EVILCORLEY]: And we have Alex.
[02:57.310 --> 02:58.030]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's right.
[02:58.130 --> 02:58.490]  [ALEXURBELS]: Good evening.
[02:58.950 --> 03:05.910]  [EVILCORLEY]: Now, Alex, I understand you've had quite an adventurous week with some kind of victory you'd like to share with us.
[03:08.860 --> 03:10.060]  [ALEXURBELS]: I have, actually.
[03:10.220 --> 03:12.260]  [ALEXURBELS]: I have had quite a week.
[03:12.460 --> 03:18.080]  [ALEXURBELS]: It has been pretty adventurous, I think, but some good stuff to report, as usual.
[03:18.080 --> 03:27.500]  [ALEXURBELS]: I have, last week I took on another habeas matter, another petition for a writ of habeas corpus on behalf of an ICE detainee.
[03:28.160 --> 03:34.020]  [ALEXURBELS]: And I won this case on Tuesday, I think, really, in record time.
[03:34.540 --> 03:37.240]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, I filed this thing on Thursday night.
[03:37.520 --> 03:45.700]  [ALEXURBELS]: And then on Tuesday, actually, no, it was Monday night, I got an order from Judge Vargas at the Southern District of New York.
[03:45.700 --> 03:47.900]  [ALEXURBELS]: It was around 1030 at night.
[03:47.900 --> 03:55.240]  [ALEXURBELS]: So it was really about four days from filing to the immediate release of this ICE detainee.
[03:56.220 --> 04:04.840]  [ALEXURBELS]: And I'm glad you brought this up, too, Emmanuel, because there's a lot, I think, to unpack here in terms of what's happening with respect to ICE.
[04:04.960 --> 04:06.340]  [ALEXURBELS]: And that's not political.
[04:06.540 --> 04:08.600]  [ALEXURBELS]: It's very systematic in many ways.
[04:08.600 --> 04:15.440]  [ALEXURBELS]: So if you think about this, this is four days from filing the petition for writ of habeas corpus to release.
[04:15.740 --> 04:19.260]  [ALEXURBELS]: And let me tell you about this guy who was in ICE detention.
[04:19.260 --> 04:20.480]  [ALEXURBELS]: He was 22-years-old.
[04:20.840 --> 04:25.760]  [ALEXURBELS]: He came here through a coyote from El Salvador.
[04:27.180 --> 04:40.220]  [ALEXURBELS]: He and his brother, his older brother, used a coyote to get into the United States and then turn themselves in at the Mexican border because they were recruited by a gang in El Salvador called Barrio 18.
[04:40.560 --> 04:43.460]  [ALEXURBELS]: And Barrio 18 wanted them to become gang members.
[04:43.620 --> 04:44.200]  [ALEXURBELS]: They refused.
[04:44.340 --> 04:46.240]  [ALEXURBELS]: And Barrio 18 then murdered their father.
[04:47.000 --> 04:50.620]  [ALEXURBELS]: And it was at that point that they sought to come to the United States.
[04:50.620 --> 04:51.880]  [ALEXURBELS]: And that was 10 years ago.
[04:51.880 --> 04:54.800]  [ALEXURBELS]: So they've been in this country for 10 years.
[04:55.240 --> 05:02.800]  [ALEXURBELS]: And then on New Year's Day, this 22-year-old was picked up at the Long Island Railroad train station.
[05:05.030 --> 05:10.560]  [ALEXURBELS]: And held for basically what was about four months in detention, almost four months in detention.
[05:10.960 --> 05:14.960]  [ALEXURBELS]: And really all he needed was somebody to show up and assert his rights.
[05:15.080 --> 05:17.360]  [EVILCORLEY]: Can I just ask one question, Alex?
[05:18.120 --> 05:19.580]  [EVILCORLEY]: You say he's 22 now.
[05:19.700 --> 05:25.120]  [EVILCORLEY]: That means he was 12 when he came to the border and turned himself into the authorities.
[05:25.120 --> 05:28.180]  [ALEXURBELS]: He was just... he was 12... just... that's right, yeah.
[05:28.500 --> 05:30.140]  [ALEXURBELS]: 12-, maybe 13-years-old.
[05:30.860 --> 05:34.600]  [ALEXURBELS]: And he and his older brother... his older brother was a couple of years older than him.
[05:35.540 --> 05:37.940]  [ALEXURBELS]: And so it's a really... it's a tragic story.
[05:39.040 --> 05:40.320]  [ALEXURBELS]: But we got him out.
[05:40.520 --> 05:42.040]  [ALEXURBELS]: He had been sitting there, though, for four months.
[05:42.160 --> 05:43.140]  [ALEXURBELS]: Just about four months, right?
[05:43.140 --> 05:49.340]  [ALEXURBELS]: And all he needed, quite literally, was somebody to show up and file a petition for a bit of habeas corpus, right?
[05:49.340 --> 06:01.100]  [ALEXURBELS]: But the issue here, that's a systematic problem, is that the reason why he's out is because we drew a judge from the Southern District of New York that was a favorable judge, right?
[06:01.160 --> 06:03.120]  [ALEXURBELS]: So that's why the government had conceded.
[06:03.340 --> 06:11.300]  [ALEXURBELS]: She had already ruled on this issue about whether or not ICE could use a particular statute to detain people in a mandatory way.
[06:11.560 --> 06:17.120]  [ALEXURBELS]: That most courts in this country, including the Southern District of New York, had said, no, ICE, you're not allowed to do that.
[06:17.120 --> 06:22.100]  [ALEXURBELS]: So this judge had already ruled, in a couple of cases, against ICE, so the government conceded.
[06:22.480 --> 06:25.780]  [ALEXURBELS]: And when the government conceded, it was Monday night.
[06:25.980 --> 06:27.280]  [ALEXURBELS]: I will never forget it.
[06:27.420 --> 06:29.440]  [ALEXURBELS]: They conceded at around 10.20 p.m.
[06:29.860 --> 06:39.360]  [ALEXURBELS]: By 10.25 p.m., Judge Vargas had already issued the memorandum, opinion, and order, ordering the immediate release of this ICE detainee.
[06:39.540 --> 06:40.960]  [ALEXURBELS]: Literally, that's all it took.
[06:41.060 --> 06:42.480]  [ALEXURBELS]: It was, like, minutes afterwards.
[06:42.620 --> 06:43.260]  [ALEXURBELS]: It was unbelievable.
[06:43.580 --> 06:44.900]  [ALEXURBELS]: But here's the problem, though.
[06:44.900 --> 06:54.320]  [ALEXURBELS]: I have another client, another case that I've been handling now for quite a while, same, almost the exact same facts here, same everything, right?
[06:54.560 --> 06:58.840]  [ALEXURBELS]: But he also comes from El Salvador, also came over as an immigrant.
[06:59.020 --> 07:00.940]  [ALEXURBELS]: I'm sorry, as a juvenile immigrant.
[07:01.300 --> 07:03.460]  [ALEXURBELS]: And he drew a different judge.
[07:03.900 --> 07:07.100]  [ALEXURBELS]: And he's been sitting in detention now for 11 weeks.
[07:07.740 --> 07:10.940]  [ALEXURBELS]: ICE actually arrested this guy at his own green card interview.
[07:10.940 --> 07:12.780]  [ALEXURBELS]: We're talking about the same courthouse.
[07:12.920 --> 07:13.940]  [ALEXURBELS]: We're talking about the same government.
[07:14.000 --> 07:16.420]  [ALEXURBELS]: We're talking about the same lawyers here.
[07:16.980 --> 07:19.960]  [ALEXURBELS]: So what we have is not a system of justice.
[07:20.480 --> 07:21.660]  [ALEXURBELS]: We've got a lottery.
[07:21.880 --> 07:24.160]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's what's happening here with these ICE detainees.
[07:24.580 --> 07:26.880]  [ALEXURBELS]: This is a literal goddamn lottery.
[07:27.160 --> 07:38.400]  [ALEXURBELS]: And whether you sleep tonight on a concrete slab or in your own bed can literally depend on something like a case assignment wheel at the Southern District of New York.
[07:38.540 --> 07:45.120]  [ALEXURBELS]: And that's because the Department of Justice is changing its position on the law depending upon the judges that they draw.
[07:45.400 --> 07:51.300]  [ALEXURBELS]: So they don't have one position on where your detention is going to be legal.
[07:51.380 --> 07:52.320]  [ALEXURBELS]: They've got several.
[07:52.320 --> 07:56.080]  [ALEXURBELS]: And they're going to pick the one that matches the judge that they draw.
[07:56.080 --> 07:58.940]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's not law enforcement here.
[07:59.260 --> 08:02.280]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's abuse of a system that is vulnerable.
[08:02.760 --> 08:18.580]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, I think that we know quite well as hackers, as technologists, that when a system produces different outputs for identical inputs, when it's so non-deterministic like that, that's indicative of something, a broken system here.
[08:19.260 --> 08:26.820]  [ALEXURBELS]: And when people who maintain this particular type of system know that it's broken and try to exploit that vulnerability rather than fix it, well, we know what that is.
[08:26.880 --> 08:27.560]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's abuse.
[08:27.720 --> 08:29.320]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's abuse of this particular system.
[08:30.240 --> 08:34.780]  [ALEXURBELS]: So most people who are in this situation, Emmanuel, they're never going to see a lawyer.
[08:34.900 --> 08:45.040]  [ALEXURBELS]: For every person that we get out as a pro bono lawyer, there's going to be scores in the same facility with the same rights that nobody is going to assert for them.
[08:45.040 --> 08:57.160]  [EVILCORLEY]: So Alex, I just wonder, you know, we're talking about different results from different judges, but what if it were the same result from every judge, but that was not the result we wanted?
[08:57.300 --> 08:58.600]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wouldn't that be a worse scenario?
[09:00.340 --> 09:01.900]  [ALEXURBELS]: It could be, right?
[09:02.000 --> 09:04.400]  [ALEXURBELS]: But that's the scenario we sign up for, right?
[09:04.450 --> 09:05.320]  [ALEXURBELS]: We have a...
[09:05.960 --> 09:08.450]  [ALEXURBELS]: And it's always up to the judge here, right?
[09:08.580 --> 09:09.380]  [ALEXURBELS]: So it's not...
[09:09.930 --> 09:11.450]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's not the issue, right?
[09:11.560 --> 09:19.450]  [ALEXURBELS]: The judges can decide the law as they see fit, but the Department of Justice is supposed to take a consistent version of what the law is.
[09:19.690 --> 09:19.800]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[09:19.920 --> 09:26.920]  [ALEXURBELS]: It shouldn't be unconstitutional when it's applied to you, Emmanuel, and then constitutional when it's applied to you, Rob, depending upon the judge that you draw.
[09:27.380 --> 09:29.000]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's not seeking justice.
[09:29.240 --> 09:37.690]  [ALEXURBELS]: And as the Department of Justice lawyers, one of the things that I think is incredibly important to remember here, their client is the United States of America.
[09:38.100 --> 09:41.900]  [ALEXURBELS]: The United States of America doesn't have an interest in winning a case.
[09:41.900 --> 09:45.080]  [ALEXURBELS]: The United States of America has an interest in seeking justice.
[09:45.340 --> 09:52.430]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's the duty, statutorily and ethically, of every single lawyer that's admitted to practice in the federal courts where these cases occur.
[09:53.600 --> 09:57.760]  [ALEXURBELS]: So that, to me, that's my real beef here, is about this lottery.
[09:58.080 --> 10:08.380]  [ALEXURBELS]: So I think the work that we're doing as pro bono lawyers here with the NYU Immigration Clinic and with the Immigrant Arc is incredibly important.
[10:08.560 --> 10:10.800]  [ALEXURBELS]: And I'll tell you this, we're going to keep filing these.
[10:10.800 --> 10:11.690]  [ALEXURBELS]: We're going to keep doing them.
[10:12.020 --> 10:14.280]  [ALEXURBELS]: One petition at a time, one person at a time.
[10:14.670 --> 10:21.000]  [ALEXURBELS]: And I think it's so much more important now, not because the system is working, but because it isn't.
[10:21.500 --> 10:26.340]  [ALEXURBELS]: The only thing worse that we know than a broken system is one that runs unopposed.
[10:26.800 --> 10:28.060]  [ALEXURBELS]: So I have to say, it does.
[10:28.170 --> 10:28.860]  [ALEXURBELS]: I've said this before.
[10:28.860 --> 10:32.520]  [ALEXURBELS]: It feels really good to be a grain of sand in the gears of this awful machine.
[10:32.520 --> 10:39.690]  [ALEXURBELS]: But I think that it's on all of us, every one of us, to make sure that this awful system, that's very not often reported in the news anymore.
[10:39.920 --> 10:43.800]  [ALEXURBELS]: People think everything's okay with ICE now because it's just not newsworthy anymore.
[10:43.800 --> 10:45.670]  [ALEXURBELS]: But these detentions are happening every day.
[10:45.730 --> 10:52.970]  [ALEXURBELS]: And there are people languishing in these cells for extended periods of time because nobody is raising their hand to assert their rights for them.
[10:53.160 --> 10:54.970]  [EVILCORLEY]: Actually, Rob is raising his hand.
[10:55.140 --> 10:56.900]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, Rob, what do you have now?
[10:56.940 --> 10:56.940]  [ALEXURBELS]: Oh, is he?
[10:56.940 --> 10:57.040]  [EVILCORLEY]: There he is.
[10:57.160 --> 10:57.620]  [ROBVINCENT]: Go ahead, Rob.
[10:57.620 --> 11:02.600]  [ROBVINCENT]: So I'm really interested in the idea that the system is broken.
[11:03.000 --> 11:11.300]  [ROBVINCENT]: And if the system is to provide equal justice and equality and things of that nature, then yes, the system is broken.
[11:11.300 --> 11:28.970]  [ROBVINCENT]: But if we come at this from a different point of view, that the system is there not to serve, but to frighten, to oppress, to keep a certain segment of the population more fearful than another segment of the population, then the system is working perfectly.
[11:30.400 --> 11:46.680]  [ROBVINCENT]: As technologists and hackers, but also as people just very interested in this sort of thing, I think most people in the know will agree that the secret to any system depends on how it was designed and that depends on why it was designed.
[11:46.970 --> 11:58.470]  [ROBVINCENT]: So if this is a system that was designed where in such a manner that the cruelty is the point, that the fear is the point, then it's just working as smoothly as you could ask for.
[12:02.050 --> 12:06.710]  [ALEXURBELS]: Well, to that, I think there's a lot to unpack there, too.
[12:07.030 --> 12:18.850]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, I think that the Department of Justice lawyers that have the job of defending these particular types of action on behalf of ICE have got a tough position.
[12:19.190 --> 12:30.430]  [ALEXURBELS]: I don't think they necessarily believe it in their bones and in their minds that this is what they want to do with their lives, and this is what when they wake up every morning that they feel good about themselves justifying these particular detentions.
[12:30.530 --> 12:38.030]  [ALEXURBELS]: It seems to me like these are political mandates that have been put on these otherwise honorable lawyers in many respects.
[12:39.350 --> 12:53.330]  [ALEXURBELS]: I think they're generally pleasant to deal with, but I think it's beholden upon them to take these positions in these particular cases because it's what's expected of them politically, that it's come down from the top onto them in this respect.
[12:53.510 --> 12:58.970]  [ALEXURBELS]: And that's why I think this weaponization of the justice system like that may in fact be the point, Rob.
[12:59.090 --> 13:00.470]  [ALEXURBELS]: You might be right about that.
[13:00.670 --> 13:06.050]  [ALEXURBELS]: But ethically, legally, statutorily, the Department of Justice is supposed to be seeking justice.
[13:06.530 --> 13:12.670]  [ALEXURBELS]: We're supposed to have things like the equal application and protection of the laws.
[13:12.850 --> 13:18.490]  [ALEXURBELS]: This is the foundation on which any constitutional democracy should really rest.
[13:18.610 --> 13:20.350]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, and that's the floor, right?
[13:20.570 --> 13:22.930]  [ALEXURBELS]: Like, we should never go below that level here.
[13:23.030 --> 13:27.950]  [ALEXURBELS]: We should never have the unequal protection of the laws, the unequal application of the laws depending upon justice.
[13:28.370 --> 13:35.410]  [ALEXURBELS]: Because what's happening here is essentially forum shopping for judges, but with human lives.
[13:36.490 --> 13:37.610]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's deplorable.
[13:38.350 --> 13:39.650]  [ALEXURBELS]: Winning at any cost.
[13:39.930 --> 13:52.410]  [ALEXURBELS]: I can understand that from some perspectives, but not when the cost is human life and time in a cell for somebody that you know is being unconstitutionally deprived of their substantive due process rights.
[13:52.470 --> 13:53.850]  [ALEXURBELS]: That, to me, is unacceptable.
[13:54.330 --> 13:59.250]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, you know, Alex, as you know, we've been doing this show for a few decades now on WBAI.
[13:59.250 --> 14:02.850]  [EVILCORLEY]: And we've talked about a lot of cases in the hacker community.
[14:03.430 --> 14:19.830]  [EVILCORLEY]: And I sense a lot of people out there might be saying to themselves, there's been many cases of injustice and unequal treatment of people based on where they're from, the judge that they drew.
[14:20.030 --> 14:22.990]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm thinking of Kevin Mitnick in particular.
[14:23.290 --> 14:28.310]  [EVILCORLEY]: But there are so many other people that I could point to in the hacker community who were treated unfairly.
[14:28.310 --> 14:31.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: And it's not limited to the hacker community by any stretch.
[14:31.530 --> 14:33.970]  [EVILCORLEY]: This kind of thing has been going on for ages.
[14:35.210 --> 14:39.370]  [EVILCORLEY]: What is it, in your view, that makes this particularly egregious?
[14:40.850 --> 14:41.290]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[14:41.530 --> 14:42.610]  [ALEXURBELS]: Well, and that's going to happen.
[14:42.850 --> 14:49.510]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, a great case in point for just that, Emmanuel, is what happened with Virgil Griffith just a few years ago as well.
[14:49.610 --> 14:56.650]  [ALEXURBELS]: Virgil got a very strict judge who came down on him extremely hard in the Southern District of New York.
[14:56.770 --> 14:58.390]  [ALEXURBELS]: Very tough judge, Judge Castel.
[14:58.930 --> 15:03.450]  [ALEXURBELS]: And that resulted in a very harsh decision.
[15:03.790 --> 15:04.390]  [ALEXURBELS]: It wasn't great.
[15:04.550 --> 15:08.010]  [ALEXURBELS]: If he was in another court and before another judge, the outcome certainly would have been different.
[15:08.550 --> 15:10.370]  [ALEXURBELS]: But that's judge dependent.
[15:10.750 --> 15:11.850]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's not law dependent.
[15:12.090 --> 15:19.430]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's not the Department of Justice taking one stance with respect to the laws that applies to Virgil and another stance with respect to the laws that applies to Gila.
[15:19.430 --> 15:27.230]  [ALEXURBELS]: That, to me, is the exact unequal application of the laws that we're talking about here.
[15:28.010 --> 15:29.830]  [ALEXURBELS]: Judges are going to have their various wrinkles.
[15:30.030 --> 15:31.090]  [ALEXURBELS]: They're going to have different opinions.
[15:31.310 --> 15:33.350]  [ALEXURBELS]: They're going to have different sentences that they meet out.
[15:33.550 --> 15:35.890]  [ALEXURBELS]: We can expect that to happen.
[15:35.890 --> 15:43.970]  [ALEXURBELS]: But the uniform interpretation and the uniform application of the law by the government itself, that's what's critical.
[15:43.970 --> 15:44.950]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's what's important.
[15:45.110 --> 15:54.490]  [ALEXURBELS]: We should not allow the Department of Justice to go from one courtroom to another, sometimes quite literally right next to each other taking different interpretations of what the law is.
[15:54.910 --> 15:55.970]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's what's wrong.
[15:56.090 --> 15:57.130]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's what's unethical here.
[15:58.070 --> 16:06.670]  [EVILCORLEY]: And also, just the, I guess, massive application that we see every day going on.
[16:07.610 --> 16:10.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's particularly frightening to many, many people to see that.
[16:12.810 --> 16:14.550]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, it is.
[16:14.550 --> 16:34.570]  [ALEXURBELS]: And what's really egregious about this particular situation, too, is that if you count up all the cases from across the entire United States that have dealt with this issue, it's an issue of statutory authority between sections 1226 and 1225, 1225, B2A1,
[16:34.570 --> 16:36.430]  [ALEXURBELS]: I think, and 1226A1.
[16:37.330 --> 16:40.790]  [ALEXURBELS]: It's a pretty technical issue.
[16:40.790 --> 16:47.490]  [ALEXURBELS]: And it has to deal with when somebody is in the country, what statute can ICE use to detain them?
[16:47.750 --> 16:54.790]  [ALEXURBELS]: Can they be detained under 1225 B2A where they can just mandatorily detain these people?
[16:55.730 --> 16:58.670]  [ALEXURBELS]: Or does it require some kind of due process?
[16:58.910 --> 17:10.050]  [ALEXURBELS]: And there's this legal fiction that ICE has espoused that says, well, we're going to just pretend that everybody who doesn't have a green card or isn't a permanent resident alien, they're all seeking admission to the United States.
[17:10.050 --> 17:14.170]  [ALEXURBELS]: And that's what justifies this use of 1225, okay?
[17:14.810 --> 17:22.610]  [ALEXURBELS]: But that's some kind of crazy fiction because people already in the United States, especially, think about the case I just mentioned that had been here for 10 years.
[17:22.830 --> 17:26.850]  [ALEXURBELS]: If you're already in the United States, how can you be seeking admission to the United States?
[17:26.850 --> 17:31.710]  [ALEXURBELS]: If you're in the theater and you're sitting down watching a movie, you're not seeking admission to the same theater.
[17:32.410 --> 17:33.650]  [ALEXURBELS]: You're already there.
[17:34.090 --> 17:44.830]  [ALEXURBELS]: So, all the judges across the country, the vast majority of them, I would say 95% to 99% of them have come to the conclusion that this separate statute, 1226, applies.
[17:45.270 --> 17:57.630]  [ALEXURBELS]: And therefore, if 1226 applies, you have to afford these detainees' due process, an individualized hearing as to whether or not they pose a flight risk or a danger that would justify their detention.
[17:58.210 --> 17:59.630]  [ALEXURBELS]: And that's due process.
[17:59.630 --> 18:04.970]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's notice that there is a potential that your liberty is going to be deprived and you have an opportunity to be heard.
[18:04.970 --> 18:10.410]  [ALEXURBELS]: You're not just taken off the streets when you show up to your immigration court hearing.
[18:10.630 --> 18:24.950]  [ALEXURBELS]: You're not, you know, swept up at the Long Island Railroad on New Year's Day and held in detention without any kind of bond hearing or any kind of due process for the last four months like my client that drew the wrong judge has been.
[18:25.930 --> 18:27.550]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's the big difference here, right?
[18:27.890 --> 18:43.710]  [ALEXURBELS]: So, these judges, the vast majority of them, if they've all decided that 1226 would apply, how is it then that ICE can still maintain with a straight face that they're using this other statute, this other law to detain people?
[18:44.050 --> 18:47.010]  [ALEXURBELS]: You know, the vast majority of these cases go against that.
[18:47.150 --> 19:08.410]  [ALEXURBELS]: They know that they're breaking the law and then in front of some judges, the small minority of them that have gone the other way and have ruled in favor of ICE, the Department of Justice will take one version as to the authority of the statute in their courtrooms and a completely different version of the authority of those statutes in another courtroom where they've been ruled against.
[19:08.770 --> 19:10.210]  [ALEXURBELS]: So, that's what's wrong here.
[19:10.350 --> 19:21.750]  [ALEXURBELS]: So, ICE knows that it's breaking the law, knows that it's violating the Constitution, repeatedly does it, and then you have the Department of Justice selectively justifying certain cases and conceding others where they know that they're going to lose.
[19:22.150 --> 19:29.210]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's the unequal application of the law and systematic violation of a vulnerable population's constitutional rights.
[19:29.930 --> 19:34.650]  [ALEXURBELS]: that's a systemic problem that's abusive a system here that is broken.
[19:35.170 --> 19:41.010]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, while you were speaking, I was looking at another story that recently came in.
[19:41.870 --> 19:51.870]  [EVILCORLEY]: It speaks to what a lot of people would counter what you're saying by saying, well, you know, if people simply would come in the legal way, this wouldn't happen.
[19:52.130 --> 19:57.210]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, I'm looking at a bunch of people who came in in a pretty legal way.
[19:57.410 --> 20:02.670]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know how legal it was, they actually helped the American war effort in Afghanistan.
[20:02.670 --> 20:11.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: We're talking about interpreters and people who basically kept American troops safe while they were in Afghanistan.
[20:12.110 --> 20:21.930]  [EVILCORLEY]: And now Trump is rewarding them by sending 1,100 of them to the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
[20:22.970 --> 20:27.570]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, apparently that's their consolation prize.
[20:28.130 --> 20:35.010]  [EVILCORLEY]: Originally they were supposed to come to the United States and be granted citizenship, but now it's Democratic Republic of Congo.
[20:35.570 --> 20:42.350]  [EVILCORLEY]: Human rights activists say that country is not equipped to take in any war in the midst of their fighting with neighboring Rwanda.
[20:44.050 --> 20:47.350]  [EVILCORLEY]: But, you know, it's about hatred.
[20:47.530 --> 21:01.210]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's about anyone who is not looking like the people in charge of this country right sending them someplace else and telling yourself that you're doing them a favor, which is really, really disgusting.
[21:01.710 --> 21:12.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: Out on Long Island, East Hampton officials are advancing legislation to bar the local police from cooperating with ICE on immigration enforcement.
[21:12.810 --> 21:16.310]  [EVILCORLEY]: They'd become the first East End municipality to back that proposal.
[21:16.550 --> 21:24.510]  [EVILCORLEY]: It would also require police departments to notify newly created task forces about ICE activities if their officers were called in to respond to a raid.
[21:24.690 --> 21:28.370]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, you know, with every bad news, there's some good news.
[21:28.610 --> 21:38.210]  [EVILCORLEY]: And the important thing is to pay attention and to know what's going on out there and not to think, as Alex mentioned before, that everything's okay, everything's normal.
[21:38.330 --> 21:38.970]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's not normal.
[21:39.250 --> 21:40.110]  [EVILCORLEY]: None of this is normal.
[21:40.450 --> 21:46.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: This is all very messed up and every day more and more lives are being ruined.
[21:47.110 --> 21:52.350]  [EVILCORLEY]: And another life that according to the mass media is being ruined is that of Kash Patel.
[21:52.470 --> 21:54.030]  [EVILCORLEY]: Have you heard lately what's happening with him?
[21:54.410 --> 22:03.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: All kinds of stories about him being passed out drunk and having to have people bash down his door to wake him up.
[22:03.910 --> 22:09.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, the Atlantic reported this I believe last week and now he's suing them for a quarter of a billion dollars.
[22:09.570 --> 22:10.990]  [EVILCORLEY]: A quarter of a billion dollars.
[22:11.630 --> 22:13.030]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's how sensitive this guy.
[22:13.190 --> 22:14.230]  [EVILCORLEY]: This is the head of the FBI.
[22:15.270 --> 22:21.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, so don't criticize him or who knows what the Justice Department might do to you.
[22:21.670 --> 22:23.910]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's the country we are living in right now.
[22:24.090 --> 22:38.590]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, a pro-Iranian hacking group claimed on Friday to have hacked an account of Kash Patel's and posted online what appears to be photographs of him, a few years old, along with a work resume and some other personal documents.
[22:39.770 --> 22:44.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: So his world is just getting more and more embarrassing.
[22:46.870 --> 22:50.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: He once saw his name displayed with pride on the agency's headquarters.
[22:51.310 --> 22:55.110]  [EVILCORLEY]: Now he will find his name among the list of successfully hacked victims.
[22:55.150 --> 23:00.110]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's a message from the hacker group Handala, the Iranian hacker group Handala.
[23:00.690 --> 23:12.490]  [EVILCORLEY]: And the message was accompanied by more than a half dozen photos of Kash Patel, including ones of him standing beside an antique sports car and another with a cigar in his mouth, which I guess isn't incriminating.
[23:12.890 --> 23:18.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: The group also said it was making available for download emails and other documents from Kash Patel's account.
[23:19.710 --> 23:23.770]  [EVILCORLEY]: Many of the records appear to relate to his personal travels and business from more than 10 years ago.
[23:23.890 --> 23:27.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: This guy can't keep his own email account secure.
[23:27.490 --> 23:28.890]  [EVILCORLEY]: He's in charge of the FBI.
[23:29.950 --> 23:30.970]  [EVILCORLEY]: You have to wonder.
[23:31.190 --> 23:33.090]  [EVILCORLEY]: You have to wonder about the level of competency here.
[23:34.270 --> 23:36.670]  [EVILCORLEY]: So yeah, that's what's going on in our country.
[23:36.670 --> 23:42.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: If you're listening from somewhere else, yeah, it's a never-ending carnival over here.
[23:43.330 --> 23:44.210]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, boy.
[23:45.350 --> 23:46.750]  [EVILCORLEY]: You heard about that, right, Alex?
[23:46.750 --> 23:47.310]  [ALEXURBELS]: I'm here, right?
[23:48.350 --> 23:48.710]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yes.
[23:50.790 --> 23:51.350]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[23:51.650 --> 23:55.470]  [ALEXURBELS]: Well, Emmanuel, this case is really crazy, I think.
[23:55.710 --> 24:00.430]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, especially the defamation angle here, quarter of a billion dollars.
[24:00.430 --> 24:05.290]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, those are always inflated at the outset anyway, but...
[24:05.750 --> 24:06.870]  [EVILCORLEY]: Not like that.
[24:07.070 --> 24:08.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: Not that inflated.
[24:08.430 --> 24:10.310]  [EVILCORLEY]: I mean, these are Trump-style numbers.
[24:10.530 --> 24:15.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, I'm going to sue you for $6 trillion because, you know, you embarrassed me.
[24:17.770 --> 24:18.370]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yes.
[24:19.250 --> 24:26.370]  [ALEXURBELS]: That being said, the funny thing about this is, okay, let's assume that this goes to trial.
[24:26.630 --> 24:31.770]  [ALEXURBELS]: Let's assume it goes through discovery, gets over there, they send documents back and forth, et cetera.
[24:32.090 --> 24:43.610]  [ALEXURBELS]: Well, if you're suing somebody for defamation, the defense that they have to assert to, you know, contest the case is the truth, right?
[24:43.770 --> 24:48.630]  [ALEXURBELS]: So you are basically going to have a trial about all of these images.
[24:48.850 --> 24:50.390]  [ALEXURBELS]: Do you really want them front and center?
[24:50.790 --> 24:54.030]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, it's totally insane to do something like this.
[24:54.150 --> 24:55.290]  [ALEXURBELS]: It's an absolute bluff.
[24:55.390 --> 25:04.510]  [ALEXURBELS]: I think he's hoping that they'll come to the table or maybe it's some kind of symbolic gesture because this is just what Trump officials do now when there's negative stories about them.
[25:04.610 --> 25:05.550]  [ALEXURBELS]: They go out and soupy.
[25:11.570 --> 25:19.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: I think I know what it going to do to other publications, other media outlets, especially those media outlets that are big and corporate and don't want lawsuits.
[25:19.530 --> 25:25.930]  [EVILCORLEY]: They're going to tell their reporters to, you know, quell any stories they might come upon that involve Kash Patel.
[25:26.150 --> 25:33.870]  [EVILCORLEY]: Now, I can tell you, you know, a network like Pacifica, a station like WBAI would not be intimidated like that.
[25:34.310 --> 25:38.630]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, the administration is counting on their intimidation tactics to work.
[25:38.630 --> 25:41.470]  [EVILCORLEY]: But true journalists are not intimidated.
[25:41.750 --> 25:45.750]  [EVILCORLEY]: And that is why it's so important to support this place.
[25:46.150 --> 26:02.330]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, I wasn't aiming to get into a pitch here, but since we are in the middle of a fun drive, this is a great time for people to go to WBAI.org or give2wbai.org or buddy.wbai.org and pledge whatever you can afford.
[26:02.570 --> 26:13.250]  [EVILCORLEY]: We're going to continue talking, but please support the station so that we continue to be a voice that can speak freely about these things and not be intimidated like corporate media has been.
[26:13.430 --> 26:14.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't feel sorry for them.
[26:15.270 --> 26:18.950]  [EVILCORLEY]: This is what we've always known was their weak point.
[26:19.190 --> 26:28.850]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, you have to live by whatever regulations your corporate masters allow you to live by, and it's not a healthy situation.
[26:29.070 --> 26:31.490]  [EVILCORLEY]: Journalists need to be independent and free.
[26:31.670 --> 26:32.490]  [EVILCORLEY]: Rob, you had something.
[26:32.590 --> 26:32.770]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead.
[26:33.770 --> 26:39.070]  [ROBVINCENT]: Yeah, I'm just fascinated by the cartoonish number of Patel's lawsuit.
[26:39.370 --> 26:47.070]  [ROBVINCENT]: And, you know, it's like Dr. Evil going, I'm going to sue you for a quarter of a billion dollars and just hoping something happens in his favor.
[26:47.390 --> 26:58.310]  [ROBVINCENT]: When, yeah, if you've read the Atlantic's article, it just seems to be, you know, attributable to sources and they don't seem to be pulling things out of thin air that they can't back up.
[26:58.430 --> 27:04.170]  [ROBVINCENT]: So I would actually really love to see this end up in court with all of this stuff on the public record, as you mentioned, Alex.
[27:05.250 --> 27:12.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, I mean, you have to stand up to this intimidation tactic and call their bluff.
[27:12.690 --> 27:14.990]  [EVILCORLEY]: And if you wind up in court, so be it.
[27:15.050 --> 27:16.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: You will have plenty of support.
[27:16.610 --> 27:29.750]  [EVILCORLEY]: But the important thing is for the truth to get out there and for people not to be intimidated by these extremely powerful individuals and agencies that they happen to be running.
[27:33.300 --> 27:58.300]  [ALEXURBELS]: I very much hope that this type of puffery and bluffing by Kash Patel in the face of what appear to be legitimate documents and records relating to his inebriated states and whatnot, I really hope that others will see this type of reporting and the bravery of the Atlantic as well as inspirational rather than see,
[27:58.600 --> 28:01.440]  [ALEXURBELS]: rather than be intimidated by Kash Patel's nonsense here.
[28:01.560 --> 28:02.320]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, it really is.
[28:02.400 --> 28:04.920]  [ALEXURBELS]: We're talking about something called the Streisand effect, right?
[28:05.060 --> 28:09.760]  [ALEXURBELS]: Where when you're trying to suppress something, you wind up bringing more attention to it.
[28:09.860 --> 28:23.420]  [ALEXURBELS]: This goes back to I think it was an early 2000s lawsuit with Barbara Streisand where she was trying to sue, I think it was Condé Nast, to prevent the publication of photos that related to her cliffside mansion somewhere in California, Malibu, or something like that.
[28:23.660 --> 28:30.860]  [ALEXURBELS]: But then in suing Condé Nast for the suppression of these photos, it wound up bringing way more attention to the photos themselves.
[28:31.180 --> 28:39.880]  [ALEXURBELS]: So I think that's what Kash Patel is unwittingly doing because he doesn't seem to have the cognitive abilities to think through the consequences of his actions.
[28:40.060 --> 28:42.640]  [ALEXURBELS]: Maybe it's a product of alcoholism or something like that.
[28:42.760 --> 28:43.040]  [ALEXURBELS]: I don't know.
[28:43.140 --> 28:44.800]  [ALEXURBELS]: Some people might believe that.
[28:45.120 --> 28:56.220]  [ALEXURBELS]: But the thing, though, is you need media outlets that are willing to do this, who are willing to engage in what the Distributed Denial of Secrets has coined the greenhouse effect.
[28:56.220 --> 29:05.100]  [ALEXURBELS]: So instead of chilling effect, we want the greenhouse effect where there are media outlets who are willing to report on this and are willing to support each other.
[29:05.540 --> 29:13.120]  [ALEXURBELS]: And I think this takes us really back into the realm of why it's necessary to support WBAI to keep us on the air to do this.
[29:13.180 --> 29:16.460]  [ALEXURBELS]: You don't support WBAI for some kind of tote bag, right?
[29:16.540 --> 29:33.040]  [ALEXURBELS]: You support it for that oxytocin hit when you realize that there's other people out there hearing the same thing as you, part of the same community as you, live, right now, sitting around in their living room, listening to Off The Hook, that you're part of this thing that has been ongoing since what year,
[29:33.220 --> 29:33.520]  [ALEXURBELS]: Emmanuel?
[29:33.700 --> 29:34.220]  [ALEXURBELS]: I always forget.
[29:34.820 --> 29:37.940]  [EVILCORLEY]: What, the radio show, the magazine, the conference, what?
[29:38.460 --> 29:39.740]  [ALEXURBELS]: The radio station.
[29:39.860 --> 29:40.200]  [ALEXURBELS]: What was it?
[29:40.240 --> 29:41.960]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, the radio station, 1960.
[29:42.400 --> 29:42.560]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[29:43.600 --> 29:44.220]  [ALEXURBELS]: So 1960.
[29:44.600 --> 29:45.200]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm part of so thing.
[29:45.200 --> 29:46.300]  [EVILCORLEY]: Gila is waving frantically.
[29:46.460 --> 29:46.840]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead, Gila.
[29:47.080 --> 29:49.120]  [GILADRAZEN]: Yeah, we're not on air right now.
[29:50.040 --> 29:51.200]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, that's great.
[29:51.540 --> 29:58.260]  [GILADRAZEN]: It's been brought to our on air, we're not, nope, we're back.
[29:58.980 --> 30:00.800]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, well, that's that's disturbing.
[30:00.960 --> 30:02.460]  [EVILCORLEY]: Did we, did somebody offer?
[30:02.960 --> 30:07.140]  [ROBVINCENT]: There was some music playing instead of us, but we appear to be back on the air now.
[30:07.140 --> 30:07.660]  [ROBVINCENT]: I've just checked.
[30:08.000 --> 30:10.460]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, well, I'd like to know why we walked on the air.
[30:10.540 --> 30:12.380]  [EVILCORLEY]: If anybody can figure that out, that would be nice.
[30:13.320 --> 30:17.540]  [EVILCORLEY]: We're fine on this end, as far as I'm concerned, as far as I can see.
[30:17.560 --> 30:23.760]  [GILADRAZEN]: Yeah, I mean, and now we're back and we're fine, but sorry, I just wanted to bring to everybody's attention that we had gone offline for a bit.
[30:24.000 --> 30:24.520]  [GILADRAZEN]: But we're back.
[30:25.020 --> 30:27.240]  [EVILCORLEY]: How do you bring it to their attention if we're off the air?
[30:27.620 --> 30:29.260]  [GILADRAZEN]: I wanted to bring it to your attention.
[30:29.300 --> 30:29.940]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, our attention.
[30:30.200 --> 30:35.980]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, you could just let us keep blithely doing the show, and we'd never know any more.
[30:36.140 --> 30:41.440]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right, we're going to keep an eye on our connection here, make sure there's nothing bad happening.
[30:41.560 --> 30:42.760]  [EVILCORLEY]: Kyle, you're looking at that, right?
[30:42.780 --> 30:43.420]  [EVILCORLEY]: Everything looks normal?
[30:44.080 --> 30:44.940]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, so far.
[30:45.200 --> 30:45.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[30:46.760 --> 30:48.880]  [EVILCORLEY]: Maybe somebody could have a radio handy.
[30:49.340 --> 30:52.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: If they hear the radio conk out, then we know.
[30:53.120 --> 30:55.900]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's kind of hard when you're not actually in the studio to know these things.
[30:56.620 --> 30:59.280]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right, so we have to repeat everything we said?
[30:59.420 --> 31:00.400]  [EVILCORLEY]: Is that...
[31:01.380 --> 31:03.380]  [GILADRAZEN]: I'm not entirely sure how long we cut out.
[31:03.600 --> 31:07.260]  [ROBVINCENT]: It appears going by what I'm seeing in our Mastodon notifications.
[31:07.440 --> 31:11.120]  [ROBVINCENT]: We may have cut out for a couple of minutes and then that's it, so I think we're good.
[31:11.400 --> 31:11.700]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[31:12.320 --> 31:21.980]  [EVILCORLEY]: By the way, this might be a good opportunity to let people know that we have an archive that has every show that we've ever done that we haven't lost the tapes for.
[31:22.400 --> 31:31.220]  [EVILCORLEY]: And when something like this happens, we have the transcript from our local studio, so there is no cut out, so you'll be able to hear what you missed.
[31:31.500 --> 31:46.200]  [EVILCORLEY]: But oftentimes, and Trent is going to love us for this because he's the guy that does it, we also put up the one that did cut out from the WBAI archive so that people get to experience the that as well, in case they want to, because we're obsessive about these things.
[31:47.520 --> 31:49.340]  [GILADRAZEN]: Nice to have music in the middle of the show.
[31:49.720 --> 31:53.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: So other than telling us we're off the air, Gila, did you have anything else to tell us?
[31:55.180 --> 32:08.080]  [GILADRAZEN]: That was the emergent moment, but I'm fascinated by this whole idea of what's being weaponized right now and thinking about the indictment for the Southern Poverty Law Center.
[32:09.260 --> 32:10.960]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, I heard about that.
[32:10.960 --> 32:13.860]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, so I don't know the facts about this.
[32:14.000 --> 32:15.260]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, what is that even about?
[32:15.500 --> 32:27.900]  [EVILCORLEY]: I know that they had pissed off Trump, get in line, and now this organization is being castigated by his administration as something corrupt.
[32:28.020 --> 32:35.260]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's almost humorous, but when you think of the good work they do, having a monkey wrench thrown into that is really a crime.
[32:35.860 --> 32:36.220]  [EVILCORLEY]: Exactly.
[32:36.220 --> 32:37.040]  [EVILCORLEY]: What can you share?
[32:37.340 --> 32:51.740]  [GILADRAZEN]: So, the Southern Poverty Law Center has been indicted on 11 counts of wire and bank fraud-related charges, mainly tied to their use of paid informants, which they have stopped doing.
[32:52.540 --> 33:09.440]  [GILADRAZEN]: But they're saying they... the DOJ is suggesting that they paid members of extremist groups, you know, the ones that they're, like, trying to eradicate, let's say, in the same way that, you know, the FBI paid informants in the 60s to infiltrate civil rights groups.
[33:09.580 --> 33:10.280]  [GILADRAZEN]: You know, same kind of thing.
[33:16.040 --> 33:16.920]  [GILADRAZEN]: It's crazy.
[33:17.400 --> 33:29.080]  [GILADRAZEN]: Okay, so the new acting attorney general says the group was charged with six counts of wire fraud, four counts of bank fraud, and one count of conspiracy to commit money laundering.
[33:33.000 --> 33:34.120]  [GILADRAZEN]: this is...
[33:34.120 --> 33:35.680]  [GILADRAZEN]: it is so nutty.
[33:35.840 --> 33:39.040]  [GILADRAZEN]: I don't even quite have words for this.
[33:39.520 --> 33:43.480]  [GILADRAZEN]: And the program ran between 2014 and 2023, according to the indictment.
[33:43.580 --> 33:46.760]  [GILADRAZEN]: The indictment does not allege that the funds went directly to the hate groups themselves.
[33:48.060 --> 33:55.840]  [GILADRAZEN]: So, you know, there was Kash Patel standing at the unveiling of this indictment, looking completely sober.
[33:56.880 --> 33:59.140]  [GILADRAZEN]: Looking just the soberest anyone has ever looked.
[33:59.460 --> 34:01.160]  [EVILCORLEY]: But he wasn't blinking, was he?
[34:01.320 --> 34:01.920]  [GILADRAZEN]: No.
[34:02.160 --> 34:02.320]  [GILADRAZEN]: Yeah.
[34:02.620 --> 34:04.440]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, that's a warning sign right there.
[34:04.720 --> 34:05.940]  [GILADRAZEN]: Either, but...
[34:05.940 --> 34:11.800]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, you know, it's typical of any corrupt administration that the enemies are targeted.
[34:12.660 --> 34:15.520]  [EVILCORLEY]: What's perceived as enemies, and those are the people who tell the truth.
[34:15.640 --> 34:19.780]  [EVILCORLEY]: Those are people who reveal the inconvenient truths out there.
[34:20.360 --> 34:22.100]  [EVILCORLEY]: And there are so many of those.
[34:22.240 --> 34:24.000]  [EVILCORLEY]: There are so many things to report on.
[34:24.380 --> 34:34.720]  [EVILCORLEY]: You can try and stack the White House press corps with all the yes-men men and people that will glorify whatever it is the dear leader is up to.
[34:35.180 --> 34:40.620]  [EVILCORLEY]: But it's not going to get rid of the journalists who are out there reporting on the actual news that's happening.
[34:40.800 --> 34:46.420]  [EVILCORLEY]: By the way, that annual White House press corps dinner is happening this Saturday.
[34:46.660 --> 34:49.320]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's going to be interesting because Trump's going to show up at this one.
[34:49.640 --> 34:52.860]  [EVILCORLEY]: And I imagine there's going to be a lot of ass-kissing happening.
[34:52.860 --> 34:56.000]  [EVILCORLEY]: It might not be pleasant to watch.
[34:56.180 --> 34:58.240]  [EVILCORLEY]: It might be a real embarrassment.
[34:58.240 --> 35:03.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: Or maybe somebody will actually say something directly and show some courage.
[35:03.920 --> 35:04.300]  [EVILCORLEY]: We'll see.
[35:04.500 --> 35:04.780]  [EVILCORLEY]: We'll see.
[35:04.860 --> 35:16.260]  [EVILCORLEY]: I've both been not surprised and extremely disappointed in how organizations, corporations, individuals have acted since the second term began.
[35:16.960 --> 35:24.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, you would expect people to stand up for the truth and many are but there are so many who aren't and so many who could.
[35:25.860 --> 35:27.420]  [EVILCORLEY]: And, you know, people have so much power.
[35:27.540 --> 35:31.340]  [EVILCORLEY]: I guess, you know, when you have that much power, that much money, you're afraid of losing it.
[35:31.360 --> 35:34.040]  [EVILCORLEY]: So you suck up as much as you possibly can.
[35:34.320 --> 35:38.900]  [EVILCORLEY]: But it's disgusting and it's not something that's going to do well in history.
[35:39.040 --> 35:39.280]  [EVILCORLEY]: Alex?
[35:41.320 --> 35:43.140]  [ALEXURBELS]: We see this across the board.
[35:43.340 --> 35:55.440]  [ALEXURBELS]: It's not only media companies, although they've been pretty as well and people have been scared, I think, to be in the media since the advent of the Trump administration.
[35:55.780 --> 36:01.320]  [ALEXURBELS]: But I think where we see this most disappointingly is in the tech community as well.
[36:01.520 --> 36:03.860]  [ALEXURBELS]: And in particular with Apple.
[36:04.220 --> 36:24.700]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, if you, on the one hand, take Apple, who touts itself and markets itself as the privacy-conscious, privacy-protecting tech company out there, the iPhone is difficult to breach, plus, you know, they have end-to-end encrypted messaging and all these things and they're not going to cooperate with the FBI to crack somebody's iPhone.
[36:25.920 --> 36:31.060]  [ALEXURBELS]: Remember a couple of years ago when they refused to bake in a back door for law enforcement purposes?
[36:31.060 --> 36:32.060]  [ALEXURBELS]: That was the old Apple.
[36:32.180 --> 36:34.840]  [ALEXURBELS]: Well, the new Apple under the second Trump administration is totally different.
[36:35.100 --> 36:39.340]  [ALEXURBELS]: The new Apple and the second Trump administration just complies with whatever they ask for.
[36:39.880 --> 36:42.720]  [ALEXURBELS]: It doesn't require legal process, doesn't require due process.
[36:42.720 --> 36:44.520]  [ALEXURBELS]: think about the ICEBlock app.
[36:44.720 --> 37:03.820]  [ALEXURBELS]: When the ICEBlock app was available on the App Store and people were using it all around the country to alert each other about the presence of ice in their community around them, not necessarily to harass ice or to find them or to target them or to hurt ice agents in some way.
[37:03.960 --> 37:09.480]  [ALEXURBELS]: It was a manner of communicating about what was happening with your neighbors in a small geographic vicinity.
[37:09.700 --> 37:12.240]  [ALEXURBELS]: We had Josh was his name.
[37:12.440 --> 37:16.260]  [ALEXURBELS]: I can't remember the developer's name, but we had him on the show and he was over at HOPE as well.
[37:17.900 --> 37:25.140]  [ALEXURBELS]: This was an app that quite possibly could have saved lives in Minneapolis had it still been available on the App Store.
[37:25.340 --> 37:29.740]  [ALEXURBELS]: But the Trump administration manufactured some nonsense pretext.
[37:30.680 --> 37:33.280]  [ALEXURBELS]: I almost violated FCC regulation there.
[37:33.400 --> 37:46.100]  [ALEXURBELS]: I'm a little worked up, but came up with some nonsense about how this app could endanger law enforcement and simply ask Apple to remove it from the App Store.
[37:46.680 --> 37:47.980]  [ALEXURBELS]: They didn't go to court.
[37:48.100 --> 37:49.140]  [ALEXURBELS]: They didn't fight over this.
[37:49.220 --> 37:49.940]  [ALEXURBELS]: They didn't push back.
[37:50.100 --> 37:51.020]  [ALEXURBELS]: They just removed it.
[37:52.280 --> 37:53.960]  [ALEXURBELS]: That to me is shameful.
[37:54.400 --> 38:11.960]  [ALEXURBELS]: When you are one of the most powerful, most highly capitalized, and able to wield and put up a real fight against the government to fight for user rights and to fight for human rights in many respects, if you think about it.
[38:12.900 --> 38:13.960]  [ALEXURBELS]: And you don't.
[38:14.080 --> 38:23.220]  [ALEXURBELS]: You just roll over because the only thing that matters is being on the wrong end of Trump's executive orders because that will harm shareholder value.
[38:23.900 --> 38:25.260]  [ALEXURBELS]: That to me is on the matter.
[38:25.340 --> 38:26.280]  [EVILCORLEY]: Alex, let me ask you.
[38:26.640 --> 38:36.820]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yes, you've made a good case that Apple has done a horrible job as opposed to which technical company that has done a good
[39:00.520 --> 39:07.340]  [ALEXURBELS]: And in the Department of Defense, I already made this joke in a separate show, but they basically asked Anthropic, have you tried turning your morals on and off again?
[39:08.100 --> 39:09.960]  [ALEXURBELS]: You know, and you come to the same conclusion.
[39:10.140 --> 39:13.620]  [ALEXURBELS]: They still push back, and they're still fighting the government on that.
[39:13.680 --> 39:16.280]  [ALEXURBELS]: So I think Anthropic is a good example of that.
[39:16.600 --> 39:20.880]  [EVILCORLEY]: I guarantee you, nobody knew the name Anthropic before the beginning of this year.
[39:21.220 --> 39:26.120]  [EVILCORLEY]: How about those companies, Microsoft, Google, you know, companies like that?
[39:26.240 --> 39:27.300]  [EVILCORLEY]: Are they doing a good job?
[39:29.320 --> 39:29.720]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[39:29.720 --> 39:31.160]  [ALEXURBELS]: No, they're not doing great.
[39:31.340 --> 39:32.880]  [ALEXURBELS]: They're all falling in line.
[39:33.080 --> 39:38.500]  [ALEXURBELS]: They're all falling in line, which, again, is one of the reasons why you support WBAI.
[39:38.960 --> 39:45.960]  [ALEXURBELS]: You get that oxytocin hit, as I was mentioning earlier, of being part of this community, where people aren't afraid to speak their mind.
[39:46.360 --> 39:50.040]  [ALEXURBELS]: We'll talk about these types of things because we don't fall in line.
[39:50.060 --> 39:50.940]  [ALEXURBELS]: I don't think we ever have.
[39:50.980 --> 39:51.420]  [ALEXURBELS]: We never will.
[39:52.300 --> 39:52.980]  [EVILCORLEY]: Rob, go ahead.
[39:53.740 --> 40:03.020]  [ROBVINCENT]: You know who has been better about pushing back against these things is the not-for-profit world, open-source software, Linux distributions, things like that.
[40:03.580 --> 40:14.080]  [ROBVINCENT]: Not only because of the reality of open-source, the basic fact of it is you can't sneak back doors into something that's completely publicly auditable and expect that to stay there.
[40:14.080 --> 40:33.600]  [ROBVINCENT]: But it goes to show that the huge, for-profit, you know, zillion-dollar business world that fuels the tech oligarchs and 900-pound gorillas that are out there right now, they are perfectly poised to just fall into line because, you know, they like money and they like when the government lets them have more money.
[40:33.600 --> 40:36.160]  [ROBVINCENT]: And that's always going to be the case.
[40:36.360 --> 40:51.500]  [ROBVINCENT]: It is basic capitalism, I think, whereas people doing it for the love of the thing, like those in the open-source world, like those in the nonprofit world, like those here on WBAI, I think those are the ones that, you know, the government is going to have a lot more trouble silencing or,
[40:51.500 --> 40:54.380]  [ROBVINCENT]: you know, unfairly exploiting in these manners.
[40:56.260 --> 41:04.180]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, there's this other development that's been ongoing, and that's the whole age verification thing.
[41:04.340 --> 41:06.800]  [EVILCORLEY]: And there's been some developments in Europe.
[41:06.960 --> 41:18.940]  [EVILCORLEY]: The European Union's unveiling of a mobile app to check people's age online has quickly turned sour as cybersecurity experts found glaring privacy and security problems with the code.
[41:18.940 --> 41:19.480]  [EVILCORLEY]: Who knew?
[41:20.120 --> 41:36.060]  [EVILCORLEY]: European Commission president, Ursula von der Leyen, presented the age verification tool in Brussels last Wednesday, saying it was technically ready and will soon be available to use as countries move to ban kids from social media.
[41:36.340 --> 41:37.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: It is fully open-source.
[41:38.160 --> 41:40.760]  [EVILCORLEY]: Everyone can check the code, von der Leyen said.
[41:40.760 --> 41:49.460]  [EVILCORLEY]: Cyber and privacy experts immediately dove into the source code on the GitHub software platform and reported several issues with the app's design.
[41:49.720 --> 42:08.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: The saga is turning into a PR disaster for Brussels, but underneath the controversy over the code lie deeper divisions between privacy campaigners, child rights groups, tech firms, and politicians over how to protect minors online, as leaders promised to shield kids from social media and porn sites.
[42:08.560 --> 42:18.240]  [EVILCORLEY]: Within hours of the EU's app release, security consultant Paul Moore found it would store sensitive data on a user's phone and leave it unprotected.
[42:18.420 --> 42:21.100]  [EVILCORLEY]: He wrote this in a widely shared post on Twitter.
[42:21.360 --> 42:25.000]  [EVILCORLEY]: He claimed to have hacked the app in under two minutes.
[42:25.560 --> 42:42.080]  [EVILCORLEY]: Baptiste Robert, a prominent French white hat hacker, confirmed many of the issues and told Politico it was possible to bypass the app's biometric authentication features, meaning someone would be able to forego entering a PIN code or using Touch ID to access the app.
[42:42.860 --> 42:53.220]  [EVILCORLEY]: Olivier Blasi, a cryptographic researcher who was part of a French task force on digital identity, said, let's say I downloaded the app, prove that I'm over 18.
[42:53.520 --> 42:58.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: Then my nephew can take my phone, unlock my app, and use it to prove he is over 18.
[42:58.560 --> 42:59.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[42:59.980 --> 43:01.820]  [EVILCORLEY]: These kids are just so clever.
[43:01.960 --> 43:02.900]  [EVILCORLEY]: They figured that out, huh?
[43:04.320 --> 43:05.080]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't know, guys.
[43:05.220 --> 43:09.000]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't think this age restriction thing is going to work out.
[43:09.100 --> 43:09.700]  [EVILCORLEY]: I really don't.
[43:09.800 --> 43:11.060]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, it's a problem.
[43:11.340 --> 43:14.580]  [EVILCORLEY]: The social media issue with kids, absolutely.
[43:15.120 --> 43:18.820]  [EVILCORLEY]: I just don't know if this is the way to combat it.
[43:19.120 --> 43:20.180]  [EVILCORLEY]: Any thoughts?
[43:23.500 --> 43:27.500]  [ROBVINCENT]: The GitHub page for this app is fascinating.
[43:27.500 --> 43:32.400]  [ROBVINCENT]: It's there under EU Digital Identity Wallet, hyphens between each word.
[43:32.680 --> 43:39.480]  [ROBVINCENT]: And the issues page is filled with all sorts of interesting commentary from people in the open-source world.
[43:40.000 --> 43:43.620]  [ROBVINCENT]: Not necessarily about bits of the code, but just about the basic fact of the thing.
[43:44.660 --> 43:55.040]  [ROBVINCENT]: One person points out that, you know, the only way you're going to be able to get this app is by downloading from the Google Play Store or Apple iOS Store, neither of which you're allowed to download from anonymously.
[43:55.040 --> 43:58.740]  [ROBVINCENT]: There's always ties back to your identity with either of those stores.
[43:59.780 --> 44:08.480]  [ROBVINCENT]: And all sorts of other concerns about just the reliability and wisdom of having something like this as the official age verification thing.
[44:09.360 --> 44:12.100]  [ROBVINCENT]: There's lots of colorful language in here I can't use on the air.
[44:14.140 --> 44:17.920]  [ROBVINCENT]: But it's vehement and it's wholehearted.
[44:18.080 --> 44:21.680]  [EVILCORLEY]: How do listeners get to that address so they can read the colorful language?
[44:23.040 --> 44:29.140]  [ROBVINCENT]: github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet, all lowercase.
[44:29.620 --> 44:30.380]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead, Kyle.
[44:30.780 --> 44:32.460]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Well, I just want to comment.
[44:32.460 --> 44:56.600]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I think that we're talking about making a policy like this is an argument in and of itself or it's self-evident that really young people shouldn't be using these things so quickly and doing so without a lot more intervention or a lot more supervision in structured ways.
[44:56.600 --> 45:11.340]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And setting a gatekeeping policy for everyone else who isn't below that age limit I think is a red flag.
[45:11.340 --> 45:47.640]  [KYLEDROSDK]: That's a sign that maybe these platforms really weren't meant for those people and that to try to like set set up a rule or something to I mean, I think the expectation that you can eliminate people from accessing this stuff with something like this is foolish and that you should just consider that the real answer to protecting people is to have a lot lot more involvement in how we're using
[45:47.640 --> 46:16.780]  [KYLEDROSDK]: technology in a family environment and how it's set up in that environment and what kind of supervision there is that I just think all of this is just really backwards that like safeguarding it with tools and the sacrifice that people that are are of age that they have to make to accommodate a small segment that might either find a way on Or that will be persistent enough.
[46:17.260 --> 46:22.680]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Or that won't use their parents' device that's already verifying an adult's age.
[46:22.820 --> 46:33.780]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Like, it just seems so silly that we're going to try to debate the best way to do something we really shouldn't be putting a lot of energy into in the first place.
[46:33.780 --> 46:44.440]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And my heart goes out to everyone, you know, that they're trotting out to illustrate the need for something like this.
[46:44.620 --> 46:48.860]  [KYLEDROSDK]: But none of this technology was ever designed to be like a little daycare.
[46:49.100 --> 46:52.000]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And I just don't get the logic there.
[46:52.720 --> 47:00.220]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It's sad that people are profiting off of technologies that make young people want to kill themselves and stuff.
[47:00.300 --> 47:04.840]  [KYLEDROSDK]: But I don't think any amount of this kind of stuff is going to solve that.
[47:05.100 --> 47:08.180]  [EVILCORLEY]: And it's also a problem for people who aren't kids.
[47:08.400 --> 47:12.040]  [EVILCORLEY]: Social media is a cancer that hurts everybody.
[47:12.840 --> 47:14.640]  [EVILCORLEY]: There is a serious problem here.
[47:14.760 --> 47:15.540]  [EVILCORLEY]: It needs to be dealt with.
[47:15.620 --> 47:17.360]  [EVILCORLEY]: Like I said, I don't think this is the way.
[47:17.500 --> 47:25.020]  [EVILCORLEY]: Because what you are going to accomplish with this is pretty much war on anonymity.
[47:25.320 --> 47:28.440]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, one of the beauties of the Internet is that you can be a dog.
[47:28.640 --> 47:29.800]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, you can be whatever.
[47:31.180 --> 47:33.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: You are anonymous if you choose to be.
[47:34.020 --> 47:39.120]  [EVILCORLEY]: You can advertise every minor detail of your life, too, if you choose to.
[47:39.120 --> 47:40.680]  [EVILCORLEY]: And I think that's part of the problem right there.
[47:40.680 --> 47:43.980]  [EVILCORLEY]: But the anonymity is priceless.
[47:44.280 --> 47:47.280]  [EVILCORLEY]: And this is a real...
[47:48.600 --> 47:50.540]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's a real shot against that.
[47:50.720 --> 48:05.360]  [EVILCORLEY]: And I think we need to figure out a way to preserve that important part of what the net is all about while looking at the problems that social media and other services cause to everybody.
[48:05.660 --> 48:06.760]  [EVILCORLEY]: Alex, you had your hand up.
[48:06.840 --> 48:07.000]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead.
[48:08.580 --> 48:11.860]  [ALEXURBELS]: What I find kind of funny about this whole thing...
[48:11.860 --> 48:19.600]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, this whole age verification sham together with this crazy app that, you know, is shipped with glaring security holes.
[48:19.740 --> 48:22.800]  [ALEXURBELS]: And then they point at it and say, oh, but it's open-source.
[48:23.380 --> 48:23.780]  [ALEXURBELS]: Okay.
[48:23.980 --> 48:24.260]  [ALEXURBELS]: So what?
[48:24.340 --> 48:32.860]  [ALEXURBELS]: Like you still have an obligation to make software that isn't riddled with massive security holes that a teenager who knows how to edit a config file can defeat.
[48:33.180 --> 48:35.060]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, that's totally insane, right?
[48:35.120 --> 48:52.000]  [ALEXURBELS]: But on the other hand, you know, is it any shock to us that the same people who are behind this sham invasive privacy age verification app are the same production company that brought to you, that brought you GDPR as well.
[48:52.260 --> 49:04.080]  [ALEXURBELS]: You know, it's all from Brussels, all from people who don't necessarily understand privacy at all, trying to regulate and legislate and mandate privacy enhancing technologies that are security holes.
[49:04.160 --> 49:04.680]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead, Gila.
[49:04.740 --> 49:05.180]  [EVILCORLEY]: We have one minute.
[49:05.180 --> 49:17.660]  [GILADRAZEN]: Um, I was, I saw something amazing that I've been trying to find on Mastodon where someone was saying, the best thing that we can do with this new thing is point out that there are problems, but not help fix them.
[49:18.520 --> 49:34.100]  [GILADRAZEN]: And just let this thing sink on its own is the best thing that any tech minded people can do is say, wow, that's really a mess and not help, not troubleshoot, not just let it sink on its own.
[49:34.100 --> 49:38.740]  [GILADRAZEN]: And I, I read that out loud to Rob and I was really excited about it and I can't find it right now.
[49:38.940 --> 49:52.420]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, but kids are already banned from using social media in Australia, you know, and, uh, is that the right move or are we just going to let that, uh, eventually sink or are we going to, uh, see just how, how, how bad that gets?
[49:52.600 --> 49:54.640]  [EVILCORLEY]: I mean, you know, again, we know there's a problem.
[49:54.840 --> 49:57.700]  [EVILCORLEY]: We know it's something that we have to, uh, uh, address.
[49:58.280 --> 49:59.340]  [EVILCORLEY]: Is this the way?
[50:02.520 --> 50:02.880]  [EVILCORLEY]: No.
[50:03.600 --> 50:07.160]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, yeah, that seems to be the, um, the consensus here.
[50:07.620 --> 50:15.680]  [EVILCORLEY]: We'd like to know what you think, our listeners, uh, oth@2600.com is our email address, but you know what?
[50:15.760 --> 50:20.120]  [EVILCORLEY]: We're going to be continuing this conversation over on YouTube at eight o'clock.
[50:20.360 --> 50:21.400]  [EVILCORLEY]: You can join us there.
[50:21.760 --> 50:24.000]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, in fact, you might even be able to call us.
[50:24.200 --> 50:26.040]  [EVILCORLEY]: We do take phone calls over there occasionally.
[50:27.080 --> 50:37.900]  [EVILCORLEY]: And to get there, you simply go to Channel2600 on YouTube, or you click on the link that's on the 2600.com webpage.
[50:38.760 --> 50:46.620]  [EVILCORLEY]: Hey, uh, don't forget to support WBAI, give2wbai.org or buddy.wbai.org.
[50:47.620 --> 50:55.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: Keep non-commercial radio alive and annoying the powers that be.
[50:56.100 --> 50:56.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's what we're for.
[50:57.200 --> 50:58.240]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's what we're all for.
[50:59.180 --> 50:59.980]  [EVILCORLEY]: See you next time.
[51:00.060 --> 51:00.240]  [EVILCORLEY]: Good night.
[54:52.820 --> 54:54.020]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[54:54.320 --> 54:56.200]  [EVILCORLEY]: Here we are on YouTube, I think.
[54:56.540 --> 54:56.820]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh...
[54:56.820 --> 54:57.580]  [EVILCORLEY]: This is Emmanuel.
[54:58.620 --> 55:02.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: Kyle's over on the other side of the interim studio here.
[55:03.000 --> 55:05.260]  [EVILCORLEY]: We've got Rob, Gila, and Alex.
[55:05.540 --> 55:11.300]  [EVILCORLEY]: Guys, if you can confirm if we're on YouTube, because YouTube is telling us we're not on YouTube, but I think YouTube doesn't know what the hell they're talking about.
[55:12.480 --> 55:14.220]  [ROBVINCENT]: We have not yet appeared on YouTube.
[55:14.600 --> 55:17.020]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, but usually we don't, for a few more seconds, right?
[55:17.240 --> 55:20.180]  [ROBVINCENT]: Usually it takes a few more seconds, but I'll keep an eye out.
[55:20.240 --> 55:21.780]  [ROBVINCENT]: I'll let you know when we...
[55:23.000 --> 55:23.980]  [EVILCORLEY]: But this is nice.
[55:24.120 --> 55:26.200]  [EVILCORLEY]: We could just do a show for ourselves, you know?
[55:26.320 --> 55:27.500]  [EVILCORLEY]: Just a bunch of us.
[55:27.500 --> 55:29.480]  [ROBVINCENT]: Just have a conversation amongst ourselves.
[55:29.640 --> 55:30.280]  [ROBVINCENT]: That's always fun.
[55:30.580 --> 55:31.260]  [GILADRAZEN]: Do enjoy that.
[55:31.320 --> 55:32.820]  [GILADRAZEN]: No, we have not gone live yet.
[55:33.420 --> 55:35.320]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, I'm seeing an error occurred.
[55:35.460 --> 55:36.720]  [EVILCORLEY]: Please try again later.
[55:37.400 --> 55:40.360]  [EVILCORLEY]: YouTube is not receiving enough video to maintain smooth streaming.
[55:40.640 --> 55:41.900]  [KYLEDROSDK]: How about I relaunch...
[55:41.900 --> 55:42.740]  [KYLEDROSDK]: What the f*ck?
[55:42.820 --> 55:46.400]  [EVILCORLEY]: I mean, I'm sorry, but we don't use video.
[55:46.600 --> 55:48.600]  [EVILCORLEY]: So all we need is audio.
[55:48.860 --> 55:49.960]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's so little bandwidth.
[55:50.280 --> 55:51.180]  [EVILCORLEY]: Let me relaunch this.
[55:51.180 --> 55:52.120]  [EVILCORLEY]: What's the problem here?
[55:53.200 --> 55:53.660]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It may...
[55:53.660 --> 55:54.540]  [EVILCORLEY]: What are you relaunching?
[55:55.480 --> 55:56.300]  [EVILCORLEY]: Let people know.
[55:57.540 --> 56:00.400]  [KYLEDROSDK]: The broadcast software that we use for the stream.
[56:00.580 --> 56:01.620]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, this is stuff I don't touch.
[56:01.700 --> 56:04.220]  [EVILCORLEY]: I touch the YouTube interface.
[56:06.660 --> 56:09.180]  [ALEXURBELS]: Rob, do you think it could be an ID10 tier?
[56:10.560 --> 56:15.480]  [EVILCORLEY]: By the way, Alex, your connectivity is shit as well.
[56:15.600 --> 56:16.480]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't know where you are.
[56:16.700 --> 56:16.980]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, it's terrible.
[56:17.240 --> 56:19.820]  [KYLEDROSDK]: That could be us not receiving him very well.
[56:19.880 --> 56:20.600]  [EVILCORLEY]: No, but it's only him.
[56:20.600 --> 56:21.660]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's not Rob and Gila.
[56:22.320 --> 56:25.460]  [ROBVINCENT]: No, on our signal connection, we're noticing Alex is choppy as well.
[56:25.600 --> 56:26.540]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, what the hell, Alex?
[56:26.640 --> 56:27.000]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's total shit.
[56:27.200 --> 56:28.740]  [EVILCORLEY]: Are you in a dry tortuga or something?
[56:28.800 --> 56:29.360]  [EVILCORLEY]: Where are you?
[56:29.980 --> 56:31.600]  [ALEXURBELS]: No, I'm in New York.
[56:31.800 --> 56:32.400]  [ALEXURBELS]: It's with Spectrum Connection.
[56:32.400 --> 56:35.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: Why is it whenever you go to New York, that's when your Internet is the worst?
[56:35.980 --> 56:37.300]  [ALEXURBELS]: I'm telling you, it's the worst.
[56:37.560 --> 56:38.180]  [ALEXURBELS]: It is the worst.
[56:38.460 --> 56:42.620]  [EVILCORLEY]: It could be in Doris Salaam in Tanzania, and you'll have better connectivity.
[56:42.840 --> 56:43.600]  [EVILCORLEY]: And I'm not even joking.
[56:43.600 --> 56:44.180]  [EVILCORLEY]: That is true.
[56:44.940 --> 56:53.460]  [ALEXURBELS]: On mute, I was yelling to the kids and my wife to go to a different network or use their phones because the signal was degrading so badly here.
[56:53.580 --> 56:54.520]  [ALEXURBELS]: I was like, are you...
[56:55.120 --> 56:58.460]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, we're going to keep this as part of the...
[56:58.460 --> 57:01.200]  [EVILCORLEY]: We're not on anything, so we're just talking amongst ourselves.
[57:01.480 --> 57:06.000]  [EVILCORLEY]: So this is a rare look at the inside of Off The Hook Overtime.
[57:06.320 --> 57:07.220]  [EVILCORLEY]: Not Off The Hook.
[57:07.220 --> 57:08.340]  [EVILCORLEY]: Off The Hook isn't like this.
[57:08.460 --> 57:09.260]  [EVILCORLEY]: We're far more professional.
[57:09.380 --> 57:12.720]  [EVILCORLEY]: But here, this is, you know, unshielded.
[57:12.940 --> 57:13.340]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[57:13.740 --> 57:14.180]  [EVILCORLEY]: Unmuzzled.
[57:14.380 --> 57:14.780]  [ROBVINCENT]: Yeah.
[57:14.820 --> 57:20.760]  [ROBVINCENT]: So, Alex, you're having a moment that's back like the old dial-up days where, like, Mom, I'm on the line.
[57:22.080 --> 57:23.140]  [ROBVINCENT]: That's basically what it was.
[57:23.140 --> 57:24.720]  [ROBVINCENT]: And then your BBS download craps out.
[57:24.840 --> 57:27.620]  [ALEXURBELS]: I literally was yelling, if anybody's downloading something, stop.
[57:28.460 --> 57:31.880]  [EVILCORLEY]: So I'm getting a message from you to saying, connect your encoder to start preview.
[57:32.320 --> 57:33.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: Learn how to use encoders.
[57:34.040 --> 57:34.940]  [EVILCORLEY]: F*ck you, YouTube.
[57:35.340 --> 57:36.820]  [EVILCORLEY]: Don't talk to me like that.
[57:37.700 --> 57:39.440]  [EVILCORLEY]: I know how to use encoders.
[57:39.560 --> 57:41.620]  [EVILCORLEY]: I've been using encoders since before you were YouTube.
[57:42.360 --> 57:42.800]  [EVILCORLEY]: Assholes.
[57:44.200 --> 57:44.760]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[57:44.900 --> 57:47.360]  [EVILCORLEY]: So Kyle's launching the other program now.
[57:47.360 --> 57:50.140]  [EVILCORLEY]: I see the picture.
[57:50.320 --> 57:51.040]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's usually there.
[57:54.460 --> 57:56.160]  [EVILCORLEY]: And there's no button for me to hit.
[57:56.280 --> 57:56.800]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's the thing.
[57:56.940 --> 57:58.260]  [EVILCORLEY]: All I can do is end the stream.
[57:58.460 --> 57:59.240]  [KYLEDROSDK]: No, hold on a second.
[57:59.380 --> 57:59.540]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[57:59.800 --> 58:02.280]  [EVILCORLEY]: And if I end the stream, then I'm definitely not starting the stream.
[58:02.400 --> 58:03.460]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I don't know if this is going to be better.
[58:03.820 --> 58:05.000]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I mean, this might be worse.
[58:05.240 --> 58:07.420]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, how can it be worse for us not being connected?
[58:07.620 --> 58:08.520]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I'm doing the best I can.
[58:08.640 --> 58:08.940]  [KYLEDROSDK]: All right.
[58:09.160 --> 58:10.620]  [KYLEDROSDK]: So I've done everything.
[58:10.620 --> 58:11.200]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, the thing...
[58:11.200 --> 58:12.300]  [EVILCORLEY]: Look, it says excellent now.
[58:12.420 --> 58:13.240]  [EVILCORLEY]: It said poor before.
[58:13.400 --> 58:14.080]  [EVILCORLEY]: Now it says excellent.
[58:15.260 --> 58:15.980]  [EVILCORLEY]: That sounds good.
[58:16.140 --> 58:16.960]  [EVILCORLEY]: So we might...
[58:16.960 --> 58:19.120]  [EVILCORLEY]: Rob, we might show up any moment now.
[58:19.120 --> 58:19.700]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's possible.
[58:19.760 --> 58:20.020]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[58:20.400 --> 58:22.660]  [ROBVINCENT]: Our chat is asking, you know, it's 8:03.
[58:22.720 --> 58:23.380]  [ROBVINCENT]: Where's the show?
[58:23.560 --> 58:23.680]  [ROBVINCENT]: Yeah.
[58:23.840 --> 58:24.880]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, keep your pants on.
[58:25.000 --> 58:25.740]  [EVILCORLEY]: We're working on it.
[58:25.740 --> 58:25.900]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[58:25.900 --> 58:26.780]  [EVILCORLEY]: I got the error again.
[58:27.100 --> 58:28.400]  [EVILCORLEY]: It still says excellent, though.
[58:28.500 --> 58:29.120]  [EVILCORLEY]: An error occurred.
[58:29.200 --> 58:30.000]  [EVILCORLEY]: Please try again later.
[58:30.340 --> 58:31.820]  [EVILCORLEY]: It doesn't tell you what the error is.
[58:31.920 --> 58:32.140]  [GILADRAZEN]: Wait.
[58:32.440 --> 58:32.900]  [GILADRAZEN]: Here we are.
[58:33.020 --> 58:34.440]  [EVILCORLEY]: And there's a play button for some reason.
[58:34.520 --> 58:35.380]  [EVILCORLEY]: What happens if I play?
[58:35.720 --> 58:37.500]  [EVILCORLEY]: I just got a...
[58:37.900 --> 58:39.380]  [EVILCORLEY]: All I can do is end the stream.
[58:39.480 --> 58:39.780]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's me.
[58:40.360 --> 58:41.240]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, there we are.
[58:41.400 --> 58:41.640]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[58:42.200 --> 58:43.960]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't know why you're playing me to me.
[58:44.060 --> 58:45.480]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's not helpful.
[58:45.940 --> 58:46.720]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Oh, there we go.
[58:47.280 --> 58:47.760]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[58:48.080 --> 58:49.300]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't know what the hell's going on.
[58:49.900 --> 58:51.700]  [EVILCORLEY]: So this might be a bandwidth issue.
[58:51.880 --> 58:57.160]  [EVILCORLEY]: We had some issues with the other station yesterday, but other people were having issues with the other station.
[58:57.960 --> 58:59.980]  [EVILCORLEY]: So we didn't think it was us.
[59:01.260 --> 59:02.560]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Let's just get it out.
[59:02.560 --> 59:04.120]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I mean, obviously, it's Iran.
[59:04.740 --> 59:05.180]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[59:05.360 --> 59:05.500]  [KYLEDROSDK]: No.
[59:05.920 --> 59:05.960]  [KYLEDROSDK]: They are mad.
[59:05.960 --> 59:07.720]  [EVILCORLEY]: Iran is cyber-attacking us.
[59:07.740 --> 59:08.560]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It's understandable.
[59:08.800 --> 59:09.680]  [KYLEDROSDK]: They should be mad.
[59:09.900 --> 59:11.360]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, you know, it's legal.
[59:11.560 --> 59:16.100]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's legal for them to do cyber war on us because we're at war, so...
[59:16.100 --> 59:17.340]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It is a domain.
[59:17.340 --> 59:18.120]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, yeah.
[59:18.300 --> 59:24.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, you know, if your microwave gets attacked, that's the cost of war.
[59:25.460 --> 59:26.660]  [EVILCORLEY]: In this case, cyber war.
[59:27.040 --> 59:29.160]  [KYLEDROSDK]: This says encoding overloaded.
[59:29.300 --> 59:30.720]  [KYLEDROSDK]: You know, I think that's a compliment.
[59:31.080 --> 59:32.980]  [EVILCORLEY]: I've got a big yellow error on the screen here.
[59:33.160 --> 59:35.060]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, you know, if someone can tell us...
[59:35.060 --> 59:38.800]  [ROBVINCENT]: Okay, we're seeing the YouTube feed keeps freezing up and buffering.
[59:39.640 --> 59:43.580]  [ROBVINCENT]: And our chat folks are seeing that as well.
[59:43.800 --> 59:44.800]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, something super f*cked here.
[59:44.800 --> 59:58.140]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, you know, I'm going to suggest, Kyle, that we just reboot the modem, you know, because that's like where connectivity issues could happen, you know, and because we relaunched this program here.
[59:58.980 --> 01:00:03.040]  [EVILCORLEY]: We connected to YouTube, and it's weird.
[01:00:03.100 --> 01:00:08.200]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Well, I can augment the video quality and maybe work with what we've got so we have at least some audience.
[01:00:08.200 --> 01:00:08.700]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I don't know why we even...
[01:00:08.700 --> 01:00:09.640]  [EVILCORLEY]: Why is video an issue?
[01:00:09.740 --> 01:00:10.380]  [EVILCORLEY]: We don't use video.
[01:00:10.560 --> 01:00:13.320]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, that's why I'm wondering maybe that would help, at least in this situation.
[01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:14.900]  [EVILCORLEY]: A 300-baud connection would be enough.
[01:00:15.100 --> 01:00:15.780]  [EVILCORLEY]: Just give me a second.
[01:00:15.940 --> 01:00:16.180]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[01:00:17.320 --> 01:00:17.960]  [ROBVINCENT]: All right.
[01:00:18.060 --> 01:00:20.860]  [ROBVINCENT]: I trust in Kyle's wisdom around this.
[01:00:20.920 --> 01:00:23.680]  [ROBVINCENT]: We are still seeing buffering.
[01:00:24.620 --> 01:00:27.360]  [ROBVINCENT]: People are having all kinds of fun with us in the comments.
[01:00:29.020 --> 01:00:37.080]  [EVILCORLEY]: This is a problem that is affecting lots of people because on the other station, we were told there were problems before we had problems.
[01:00:37.560 --> 01:00:40.200]  [EVILCORLEY]: So that means the problems weren't with us.
[01:00:40.200 --> 01:00:42.620]  [EVILCORLEY]: There were problems with many other people before that.
[01:00:43.320 --> 01:00:45.480]  [EVILCORLEY]: And now we're having problems here.
[01:00:46.120 --> 01:00:46.780]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't know.
[01:00:46.900 --> 01:00:51.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm not sure if there's just connectivity issues throughout the area.
[01:00:52.460 --> 01:00:55.460]  [EVILCORLEY]: But it seems like it's something that's a lot bigger than just one connection.
[01:00:56.020 --> 01:00:58.180]  [EVILCORLEY]: And of course, Alex, your connection just sucks.
[01:00:58.220 --> 01:00:59.660]  [EVILCORLEY]: And I don't think that's ever going to change.
[01:01:01.280 --> 01:01:06.240]  [ALEXURBELS]: No, it's going to change soon because I've had it with the Spectrum bullshit.
[01:01:06.240 --> 01:01:08.440]  [ALEXURBELS]: It's unbelievable how much we pay for this connection.
[01:01:08.800 --> 01:01:10.240]  [ALEXURBELS]: And it is terrible.
[01:01:10.860 --> 01:01:11.980]  [ALEXURBELS]: It's absolutely terrible.
[01:01:12.140 --> 01:01:14.440]  [ALEXURBELS]: I can't believe the speeds that I get on this thing.
[01:01:15.060 --> 01:01:17.020]  [ALEXURBELS]: And I don't think it's antiquated hardware.
[01:01:17.380 --> 01:01:19.260]  [ALEXURBELS]: I think it's just going to get rid of Spectrum.
[01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:22.660]  [EVILCORLEY]: I think maybe you should have a wired connection, not Wi-Fi.
[01:01:22.660 --> 01:01:24.140]  [EVILCORLEY]: I think that might be a good step forward.
[01:01:25.500 --> 01:01:26.440]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, I guess.
[01:01:26.600 --> 01:01:27.680]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, maybe.
[01:01:28.080 --> 01:01:33.120]  [ALEXURBELS]: But I'd have to use a port to do that.
[01:01:33.400 --> 01:01:35.220]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, you'd have to make a sacrifice.
[01:01:35.220 --> 01:01:40.780]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, you know, I'd move around this place and things.
[01:01:40.980 --> 01:01:43.680]  [ALEXURBELS]: And, you know, Ethernet cables across the living room.
[01:01:43.680 --> 01:01:44.600]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, well, that's another thing.
[01:01:44.740 --> 01:01:49.580]  [EVILCORLEY]: If I could implore you not to pace around the room while you're on the air, that would also be very nice.
[01:01:50.500 --> 01:02:02.620]  [ALEXURBELS]: But, you know, I literally got up for five seconds because I had coffee on the stove in a mocha pot and then said to myself, oh, shit, you know, my wife is on a separate conference call.
[01:02:02.620 --> 01:02:07.220]  [ALEXURBELS]: I can't yell to the kids and have them do that because the thing is extremely hot.
[01:02:07.380 --> 01:02:08.780]  [ALEXURBELS]: So I had to go run and turn it off.
[01:02:09.300 --> 01:02:14.600]  [EVILCORLEY]: Your wife was probably using more bandwidth than we use because it was probably video and we don't use video.
[01:02:15.420 --> 01:02:18.160]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, I think that's what was happening.
[01:02:18.300 --> 01:02:21.480]  [ALEXURBELS]: I had to switch over to 5G on my phone.
[01:02:21.760 --> 01:02:22.900]  [ALEXURBELS]: It got so bad.
[01:02:23.080 --> 01:02:35.980]  [ALEXURBELS]: But speaking of which, though, what I found actually works really well in lieu of a broadband connection and either through your cable company are these T-Mobile hotspots for home Internet.
[01:02:37.540 --> 01:02:42.160]  [ALEXURBELS]: And they're pretty extraordinarily fast and reliable.
[01:02:42.160 --> 01:02:48.720]  [ALEXURBELS]: And it's just this kind of mobile hotspot that presumably uses just like, you know, 5G.
[01:02:48.720 --> 01:02:52.060]  [ALEXURBELS]: It's like almost like having a dedicated connection.
[01:02:53.060 --> 01:03:00.120]  [ALEXURBELS]: But I don't know, it just seems like such a better alternative is cheaper, faster, more reliable than the spectrum at this point.
[01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:01.120]  [ALEXURBELS]: I can't take it anymore.
[01:03:02.300 --> 01:03:03.840]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right, Kyle, what's the latest?
[01:03:04.020 --> 01:03:07.320]  [EVILCORLEY]: Because I still think rebooting the modem is a good idea.
[01:03:09.340 --> 01:03:10.240]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I don't know.
[01:03:10.320 --> 01:03:17.980]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I just tried to lower a little bit of the video and change the amount the stream is.
[01:03:18.240 --> 01:03:25.320]  [ALEXURBELS]: If it helps, what I'm hearing is from people that are listening that we're going on and off a little bit.
[01:03:25.320 --> 01:03:25.440]  [ALEXURBELS]: Right.
[01:03:26.120 --> 01:03:28.020]  [EVILCORLEY]: So I think that's something with the connectivity.
[01:03:28.020 --> 01:03:30.880]  [EVILCORLEY]: If we reboot the modem, at least we've done that much.
[01:03:31.720 --> 01:03:32.900]  [EVILCORLEY]: Is there a reason not to?
[01:03:35.240 --> 01:03:36.040]  [ROBVINCENT]: Okay, no one's...
[01:03:36.040 --> 01:03:37.720]  [ROBVINCENT]: I'm downloading like six albums on Kazaa right now...
[01:03:37.720 --> 01:03:40.440]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I don't want to debate it.
[01:03:40.540 --> 01:03:41.760]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I mean, if you want me to, I will.
[01:03:42.220 --> 01:03:43.000]  [KYLEDROSDK]: That way we know.
[01:03:43.000 --> 01:03:44.980]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I'm just working on this software side.
[01:03:45.060 --> 01:03:46.640]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, but what happened with the software side?
[01:03:46.680 --> 01:03:48.520]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Because we do have connectivity.
[01:03:48.520 --> 01:03:50.080]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Obviously, we're talking to people.
[01:03:50.220 --> 01:03:50.340]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Right.
[01:03:51.520 --> 01:03:54.100]  [EVILCORLEY]: We'll lose connectivity, I know, for a moment while we reboot.
[01:03:54.160 --> 01:03:55.040]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Well, can someone check?
[01:03:55.160 --> 01:03:56.300]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I mean, is it working now?
[01:03:56.980 --> 01:03:58.580]  [KYLEDROSDK]: No one's really told me anything.
[01:03:59.020 --> 01:04:00.620]  [ALEXURBELS]: Well, Kyle's totally right about that.
[01:04:00.800 --> 01:04:06.080]  [ALEXURBELS]: If it was the connection itself, we'd have problems talking right now.
[01:04:06.080 --> 01:04:08.760]  [EVILCORLEY]: I know that, but we keep going in and out.
[01:04:08.960 --> 01:04:11.240]  [EVILCORLEY]: So the connection, there might be something wrong.
[01:04:11.700 --> 01:04:13.980]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, did what Kyle did, has that helped?
[01:04:14.160 --> 01:04:14.820]  [EVILCORLEY]: Do you have...
[01:04:14.820 --> 01:04:16.400]  [GILADRAZEN]: The van came up.
[01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:18.040]  [GILADRAZEN]: We just buffered again.
[01:04:18.420 --> 01:04:21.360]  [ROBVINCENT]: But we seem to be kind of smooth now.
[01:04:22.620 --> 01:04:28.840]  [EVILCORLEY]: It says poor for me, and I have a big yellow error again, but I don't know if that's just stuck on my screen.
[01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:30.120]  [ROBVINCENT]: Oh, there we go.
[01:04:30.240 --> 01:04:30.920]  [ROBVINCENT]: We're buffered again.
[01:04:31.060 --> 01:04:32.340]  [EVILCORLEY]: See, so it's not helping.
[01:04:33.320 --> 01:04:40.880]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, you know, my view when you troubleshoot things like this is you start at the top and, you know, try and...
[01:04:40.880 --> 01:04:42.460]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, actually, no, you start at the other end.
[01:04:42.560 --> 01:04:43.540]  [EVILCORLEY]: We've done that already.
[01:04:43.660 --> 01:04:50.760]  [EVILCORLEY]: So I think just, you know, unplugging it, plugging it back in, getting it reset, and maybe, you know, we'll get better bandwidth.
[01:04:50.760 --> 01:04:53.400]  [EVILCORLEY]: And if we don't, then we know that there's a problem somewhere else.
[01:04:53.620 --> 01:05:00.560]  [ROBVINCENT]: It seems like the snippets of audio we are getting coming through are from quite a long time ago now, many minutes.
[01:05:00.740 --> 01:05:01.380]  [ROBVINCENT]: That's also true.
[01:05:02.300 --> 01:05:02.700]  [ROBVINCENT]: So...
[01:05:02.700 --> 01:05:03.360]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, well...
[01:05:03.360 --> 01:05:05.400]  [ROBVINCENT]: Things are piling up in interesting ways.
[01:05:05.460 --> 01:05:10.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: Let people know that there'll be a full transcript available that did not make it over YouTube.
[01:05:11.780 --> 01:05:14.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: If you can get to them somehow, I guess through the chat or whatnot.
[01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:16.480]  [GILADRAZEN]: Yeah.
[01:05:17.040 --> 01:05:17.280]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[01:05:17.560 --> 01:05:27.840]  [EVILCORLEY]: So let people know also we're about to do a reboot of the modem and that will make them lose connectivity, but to come back and hopefully we'll be able to do this thing.
[01:05:28.160 --> 01:05:30.180]  [EVILCORLEY]: Otherwise, an early night for us.
[01:05:31.740 --> 01:05:33.400]  [EVILCORLEY]: Do we know where the modem is?
[01:05:33.580 --> 01:05:35.260]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't know where the modem is.
[01:05:35.940 --> 01:05:37.740]  [EVILCORLEY]: They moved it a few years ago.
[01:05:38.320 --> 01:05:41.860]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, it's in different places and we use different modems sometimes.
[01:05:44.220 --> 01:05:44.660]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[01:05:45.560 --> 01:05:47.160]  [ALEXURBELS]: It could be a DDoS attack.
[01:05:48.280 --> 01:05:50.660]  [ALEXURBELS]: You could be being DDoSed right now.
[01:05:50.880 --> 01:05:51.460]  [ALEXURBELS]: Maybe that's...
[01:05:51.460 --> 01:05:52.140]  [ALEXURBELS]: No, but...
[01:05:52.140 --> 01:05:52.900]  [EVILCORLEY]: That happened to Bluesky.
[01:05:53.080 --> 01:05:55.060]  [EVILCORLEY]: Bluesky got DDoSed off the face of the earth.
[01:05:55.120 --> 01:05:55.660]  [EVILCORLEY]: Did you see that?
[01:05:57.500 --> 01:05:58.320]  [ALEXURBELS]: No, I didn't.
[01:05:58.460 --> 01:05:59.160]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, it happens.
[01:06:00.200 --> 01:06:04.280]  [EVILCORLEY]: Alex, you seem to be on a satellite delay somehow and I don't know how that's possible.
[01:06:04.840 --> 01:06:08.780]  [EVILCORLEY]: Can I do my little experiment where I count down and you say the number at the same time as me?
[01:06:09.940 --> 01:06:10.420]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[01:06:11.620 --> 01:06:16.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: So basically, the way it works is I go three, two, one and we both say one at the same time.
[01:06:17.420 --> 01:06:17.820]  [EVILCORLEY]: You want to try that?
[01:06:17.960 --> 01:06:18.360]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, okay.
[01:06:18.500 --> 01:06:19.000]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, so here we go.
[01:06:19.080 --> 01:06:19.260]  [EVILCORLEY]: Ready?
[01:06:20.900 --> 01:06:22.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: Three, two, one.
[01:06:24.160 --> 01:06:25.720]  [EVILCORLEY]: Are you f*cking with me?
[01:06:26.020 --> 01:06:26.300]  [EVILCORLEY]: One.
[01:06:26.640 --> 01:06:28.000]  [EVILCORLEY]: That did not take that long.
[01:06:29.720 --> 01:06:32.640]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, you realize how unhelpful you are.
[01:06:32.820 --> 01:06:36.120]  [EVILCORLEY]: Do you understand how that does not serve anybody?
[01:06:36.940 --> 01:06:38.320]  [EVILCORLEY]: You don't look clever.
[01:06:38.320 --> 01:06:39.600]  [EVILCORLEY]: You look like a clod.
[01:06:39.960 --> 01:06:41.900]  [EVILCORLEY]: I mean, it serves us because we're entertained.
[01:06:42.120 --> 01:06:43.340]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't get any answers whatsoever.
[01:06:43.800 --> 01:06:46.780]  [EVILCORLEY]: Nobody's listening to us so you're not even entertaining anyone.
[01:06:47.200 --> 01:06:50.240]  [EVILCORLEY]: I do not understand your motivation here.
[01:06:50.520 --> 01:06:51.380]  [EVILCORLEY]: You want to try it one more time?
[01:06:51.460 --> 01:06:51.540]  [EVILCORLEY]: Let's do it again.
[01:06:51.540 --> 01:06:53.580]  [EVILCORLEY]: Because this is the last time I'm going to try it.
[01:06:54.160 --> 01:06:54.380]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:06:54.620 --> 01:06:55.460]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm trying to help you here.
[01:06:55.700 --> 01:06:56.040]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[01:06:56.220 --> 01:06:56.980]  [EVILCORLEY]: Let's go for it.
[01:06:57.180 --> 01:06:59.640]  [EVILCORLEY]: Three, two, one.
[01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:00.360]  [EVILCORLEY]: One.
[01:07:00.800 --> 01:07:02.440]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's too much of a delay, I think.
[01:07:03.520 --> 01:07:04.420]  [EVILCORLEY]: It shouldn't be that long.
[01:07:04.680 --> 01:07:06.820]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's less than I thought, but there is a delay.
[01:07:07.840 --> 01:07:08.200]  [ALEXURBELS]: Interesting.
[01:07:08.420 --> 01:07:09.620]  [ALEXURBELS]: How long is the delay?
[01:07:09.780 --> 01:07:11.240]  [EVILCORLEY]: You'll have to listen to the transcript, won't you?
[01:07:11.820 --> 01:07:12.700]  [ALEXURBELS]: I guess I will.
[01:07:13.180 --> 01:07:15.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's less than a second, but still, it's enough to be annoying.
[01:07:16.720 --> 01:07:17.620]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, yeah.
[01:07:17.980 --> 01:07:18.500]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's weird.
[01:07:18.600 --> 01:07:21.180]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, I got to get a new Internet connection.
[01:07:21.180 --> 01:07:22.460]  [ALEXURBELS]: This is just bullshit.
[01:07:22.820 --> 01:07:23.280]  [ALEXURBELS]: All right.
[01:07:23.300 --> 01:07:24.780]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, what are we doing?
[01:07:24.860 --> 01:07:25.640]  [EVILCORLEY]: Are we going to reboot the modem?
[01:07:26.700 --> 01:07:28.680]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't see any other alternative, Kyle.
[01:07:28.880 --> 01:07:29.760]  [EVILCORLEY]: I really don't.
[01:07:30.020 --> 01:07:31.020]  [EVILCORLEY]: This isn't working.
[01:07:31.560 --> 01:07:32.900]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Well, I mean, it's stabilized.
[01:07:33.000 --> 01:07:34.940]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It's better than it was.
[01:07:35.140 --> 01:07:36.160]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Not what it is normally.
[01:07:36.520 --> 01:07:36.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:07:37.340 --> 01:07:38.540]  [EVILCORLEY]: Shall we try it one more time?
[01:07:38.640 --> 01:07:41.960]  [EVILCORLEY]: And if this doesn't work, unplug the damn modem and plug it back in and see if that works.
[01:07:41.960 --> 01:07:46.460]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, is Gila really stuck in that expression?
[01:07:46.720 --> 01:07:47.460]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, I'm sorry.
[01:07:47.540 --> 01:07:48.060]  [EVILCORLEY]: You weren't moving.
[01:07:49.060 --> 01:07:50.600]  [EVILCORLEY]: I thought you were frozen.
[01:07:51.060 --> 01:07:52.760]  [GILADRAZEN]: I was just sitting very still.
[01:07:53.020 --> 01:07:54.980]  [EVILCORLEY]: We have video amongst ourselves, but that's it.
[01:07:55.760 --> 01:07:58.060]  [ALEXURBELS]: I think we should take Rebel's call now.
[01:07:58.440 --> 01:07:59.080]  [EVILCORLEY]: What I see...
[01:07:59.080 --> 01:08:00.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: The phone's not even working yet.
[01:08:01.180 --> 01:08:03.280]  [EVILCORLEY]: What I see is error.
[01:08:03.520 --> 01:08:06.240]  [EVILCORLEY]: YouTube is not receiving enough video to maintain enough streaming.
[01:08:06.240 --> 01:08:09.220]  [EVILCORLEY]: As such, viewers will experience...
[01:08:09.940 --> 01:08:11.200]  [EVILCORLEY]: It cuts off at that point.
[01:08:11.340 --> 01:08:12.880]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't know how to see the rest of that message.
[01:08:13.820 --> 01:08:16.240]  [KYLEDROSDK]: So, do you want to just stop all that and start over?
[01:08:16.320 --> 01:08:17.580]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, it's not working, is it?
[01:08:17.980 --> 01:08:19.020]  [EVILCORLEY]: Guys, is it working?
[01:08:19.120 --> 01:08:20.400]  [EVILCORLEY]: And the delays keep piling up.
[01:08:20.740 --> 01:08:22.120]  [EVILCORLEY]: Are we buffering or not?
[01:08:22.860 --> 01:08:23.520]  [GILADRAZEN]: Not at the...
[01:08:23.520 --> 01:08:24.100]  [GILADRAZEN]: Now we are.
[01:08:24.360 --> 01:08:24.600]  [GILADRAZEN]: Literally.
[01:08:25.020 --> 01:08:25.800]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, it's not working.
[01:08:25.940 --> 01:08:27.020]  [EVILCORLEY]: It has not worked once.
[01:08:27.440 --> 01:08:31.120]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, I say, let's start with the modem and figure it out from there.
[01:08:34.240 --> 01:08:35.760]  [EVILCORLEY]: If you hear me...
[01:08:35.760 --> 01:08:36.120]  [ROBVINCENT]: Snippets of...
[01:08:36.120 --> 01:08:36.820]  [ROBVINCENT]: You won't hear me long.
[01:08:37.680 --> 01:08:39.820]  [ROBVINCENT]: The snippets of audio we're hearing are...
[01:08:39.820 --> 01:08:43.320]  [ROBVINCENT]: Gil had just mentioned that the van came up and that was, what, like five minutes ago?
[01:08:43.460 --> 01:08:43.580]  [ROBVINCENT]: Oh, wow.
[01:08:43.600 --> 01:08:44.520]  [EVILCORLEY]: That was a while ago.
[01:08:44.660 --> 01:08:45.240]  [ROBVINCENT]: Yeah, so...
[01:08:45.240 --> 01:08:46.120]  [ROBVINCENT]: Yeah, the...
[01:08:46.920 --> 01:08:47.280]  [ROBVINCENT]: Packets...
[01:08:47.280 --> 01:08:47.620]  [ROBVINCENT]: Very...
[01:11:45.280 --> 01:11:45.800]  [ROBVINCENT]: All right.
[01:11:45.920 --> 01:11:46.840]  [ROBVINCENT]: We've got...
[01:11:46.840 --> 01:11:47.960]  [ROBVINCENT]: Oh, there they are.
[01:11:48.120 --> 01:11:48.820]  [ROBVINCENT]: Hey, what about it?
[01:11:49.180 --> 01:11:50.540]  [ROBVINCENT]: We've got the folks back on signal.
[01:11:51.160 --> 01:11:51.580]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[01:11:51.580 --> 01:11:56.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: We're rebooting the machine that handles the connection as well.
[01:12:00.420 --> 01:12:00.640]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:12:01.000 --> 01:12:05.160]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, we're not going out right now, but we will be, hopefully, as soon as this restarts.
[01:12:05.760 --> 01:12:06.320]  [ROBVINCENT]: He asked me.
[01:12:06.380 --> 01:12:06.800]  [ROBVINCENT]: He asked me.
[01:12:16.080 --> 01:12:18.900]  [EVILCORLEY]: Please share whatever is funny because...
[01:12:19.940 --> 01:12:21.640]  [GILADRAZEN]: Rebel's like, why are there only eight people?
[01:12:21.680 --> 01:12:26.240]  [GILADRAZEN]: We usually have 30 or 40 and everyone's like, because there's nothing to listen to right now.
[01:12:27.160 --> 01:12:27.560]  [ALEXURBELS]: Unbelievable.
[01:12:28.680 --> 01:12:30.180]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's how closely he listens.
[01:12:30.480 --> 01:12:33.960]  [GILADRAZEN]: I am literally on the verge of banning him from the chat for being a f*cking idiot.
[01:12:35.960 --> 01:12:38.220]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, that's going to be stored in the archive.
[01:12:38.660 --> 01:12:39.600]  [GILADRAZEN]: I'm fine with that.
[01:12:39.780 --> 01:12:40.000]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[01:12:40.080 --> 01:12:41.080]  [EVILCORLEY]: Just as long as you know that.
[01:12:42.320 --> 01:12:45.840]  [EVILCORLEY]: Everything we say is on the permanent record.
[01:12:48.480 --> 01:12:49.940]  [EVILCORLEY]: No cover-ups here, folks.
[01:12:51.480 --> 01:12:53.080]  [EVILCORLEY]: We just display it all.
[01:12:53.240 --> 01:12:55.200]  [EVILCORLEY]: The ugliness as well as the...
[01:12:55.640 --> 01:12:56.660]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, what do you got there, Kyle?
[01:12:57.040 --> 01:12:57.800]  [EVILCORLEY]: Kyle's got a snack.
[01:12:58.500 --> 01:12:59.020]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Pickle Balls.
[01:12:59.620 --> 01:12:59.940]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, my God.
[01:13:00.020 --> 01:13:01.500]  [EVILCORLEY]: You've gotten these Pickle Balls.
[01:13:02.340 --> 01:13:03.240]  [EVILCORLEY]: Classic Pickle Balls.
[01:13:03.400 --> 01:13:03.660]  [GILADRAZEN]: Oh, yeah.
[01:13:03.740 --> 01:13:04.720]  [GILADRAZEN]: We had those like a year ago.
[01:13:04.840 --> 01:13:05.900]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, they're pretty gross.
[01:13:06.020 --> 01:13:07.340]  [EVILCORLEY]: I won't buy them again.
[01:13:08.060 --> 01:13:08.600]  [ROBVINCENT]: They're enjoyable.
[01:13:09.140 --> 01:13:11.020]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, well, you can have the three that are left.
[01:13:13.720 --> 01:13:14.020]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[01:13:14.100 --> 01:13:16.200]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, I see the chat again over here.
[01:13:16.500 --> 01:13:20.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: It says, connect your encoder to start preview and then learn how to use encoders again.
[01:13:21.080 --> 01:13:21.660]  [EVILCORLEY]: God damn it.
[01:13:25.280 --> 01:13:27.980]  [EVILCORLEY]: And this machine has just come up.
[01:13:29.180 --> 01:13:29.780]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[01:13:33.870 --> 01:13:36.110]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, it's possible it was that machine as well.
[01:13:37.550 --> 01:13:41.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: But either way, we've rebooted the modem and now we've rebooted the machine.
[01:13:41.750 --> 01:13:47.290]  [EVILCORLEY]: Now we're going to come up in YouTube and hopefully find a thriving community waiting for us.
[01:13:47.810 --> 01:13:49.770]  [ROBVINCENT]: Okay, well, we have corn pudding, so...
[01:13:49.770 --> 01:13:50.430]  [GILADRAZEN]: We have corn pudding.
[01:13:52.950 --> 01:13:55.290]  [ROBVINCENT]: So, if nothing else, we have that going for us.
[01:13:55.390 --> 01:13:56.090]  [GILADRAZEN]: Which is nice.
[01:13:57.170 --> 01:13:57.370]  [GILADRAZEN]: Oh.
[01:13:59.650 --> 01:14:00.890]  [ROBVINCENT]: This is excellent corn pudding.
[01:14:00.990 --> 01:14:01.570]  [ROBVINCENT]: You did wonderfully.
[01:14:01.990 --> 01:14:02.270]  [GILADRAZEN]: Thank you.
[01:14:03.650 --> 01:14:05.930]  [EVILCORLEY]: Alex is doing another show for another station right now.
[01:14:05.970 --> 01:14:06.310]  [EVILCORLEY]: Look at that.
[01:14:06.630 --> 01:14:07.010]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:14:07.290 --> 01:14:08.550]  [ALEXURBELS]: Might as well be, right?
[01:14:08.790 --> 01:14:11.070]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, what's going on here today?
[01:14:11.630 --> 01:14:11.890]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[01:14:12.010 --> 01:14:12.590]  [ALEXURBELS]: So, we're...
[01:14:13.290 --> 01:14:17.510]  [ALEXURBELS]: So, what happened when we lost you guys for a few minutes and you rebooted the router?
[01:14:17.750 --> 01:14:19.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: We just spoke the truth.
[01:14:19.370 --> 01:14:19.750]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's all.
[01:14:20.010 --> 01:14:22.230]  [EVILCORLEY]: We just said what was really on our minds.
[01:14:22.830 --> 01:14:24.130]  [ALEXURBELS]: And then it just went out.
[01:14:24.250 --> 01:14:25.910]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, so we're reconnecting now.
[01:14:26.030 --> 01:14:28.350]  [EVILCORLEY]: We have to log in and all that stuff.
[01:14:30.170 --> 01:14:31.210]  [GILADRAZEN]: Stream is still buffering.
[01:14:31.630 --> 01:14:32.450]  [EVILCORLEY]: What's going on?
[01:14:33.070 --> 01:14:36.570]  [EVILCORLEY]: Kyle's made a noise I never heard before of befuddlement.
[01:14:38.950 --> 01:14:41.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: We locked out of our own system.
[01:14:42.310 --> 01:14:43.210]  [EVILCORLEY]: What's going on?
[01:14:43.290 --> 01:14:44.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: I see the sign.
[01:14:44.590 --> 01:14:47.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: Something will be removed, except it seems like it might have actually happened.
[01:14:47.890 --> 01:14:48.050]  [KYLEDROSDK]: What?
[01:14:48.050 --> 01:14:51.150]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Why do you gotta log in to OBS now?
[01:14:51.450 --> 01:14:52.430]  [EVILCORLEY]: Gotta log in to OBS?
[01:14:52.550 --> 01:14:53.670]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, OBS is what we use.
[01:14:54.970 --> 01:14:57.670]  [EVILCORLEY]: And wait, we didn't log in before?
[01:14:58.390 --> 01:14:59.850]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, now we have to log in.
[01:15:03.470 --> 01:15:04.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[01:15:08.590 --> 01:15:11.730]  [ROBVINCENT]: Maybe it'll help if you say your password aloud as you type it in.
[01:15:11.790 --> 01:15:13.550]  [EVILCORLEY]: I think the point is we didn't have a password.
[01:15:13.710 --> 01:15:14.510]  [EVILCORLEY]: We didn't have an account.
[01:15:15.950 --> 01:15:20.410]  [ROBVINCENT]: Is it asking you for your YouTube credentials to hook up to that?
[01:15:21.230 --> 01:15:22.430]  [ROBVINCENT]: It's not a code.
[01:15:24.890 --> 01:15:25.330]  [ROBVINCENT]: Wow.
[01:15:25.970 --> 01:15:27.910]  [ROBVINCENT]: I haven't used OBS in a couple years.
[01:15:27.910 --> 01:15:30.970]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm glad this didn't happen last week when we had Jason Scott with us.
[01:15:31.370 --> 01:15:33.590]  [EVILCORLEY]: Because, boy, that would have been a lot of wasted time.
[01:15:34.170 --> 01:15:34.970]  [ALEXURBELS]: Oh, my God.
[01:15:35.150 --> 01:15:35.450]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[01:15:36.870 --> 01:15:38.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: He never would have spoken to us again after that.
[01:15:39.590 --> 01:15:40.830]  [ALEXURBELS]: Oh, I think he would have.
[01:15:40.830 --> 01:15:41.410]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[01:15:41.890 --> 01:15:43.550]  [EVILCORLEY]: You guys, I don't mind wasting time with.
[01:15:43.690 --> 01:15:44.330]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's fine.
[01:15:45.390 --> 01:15:45.670]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[01:15:46.090 --> 01:15:47.050]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's fine, right?
[01:15:47.170 --> 01:15:47.290]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[01:15:47.650 --> 01:15:47.970]  [GILADRAZEN]: Thanks, E.
[01:15:48.010 --> 01:15:48.530]  [GILADRAZEN]: Appreciate that.
[01:15:50.250 --> 01:15:51.310]  [ROBVINCENT]: We're all family here.
[01:15:57.470 --> 01:15:59.830]  [ROBVINCENT]: Someone in the chat mentions, I used a computer once.
[01:15:59.830 --> 01:16:00.430]  [ROBVINCENT]: It was awesome.
[01:16:02.070 --> 01:16:08.630]  [ALEXURBELS]: So, when we were on and off the air during this show, that must have been the same issue.
[01:16:08.830 --> 01:16:10.390]  [ALEXURBELS]: I thought it had something to do with Reggie being absent.
[01:16:12.690 --> 01:16:14.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, that's a theory, but no, I don't think it...
[01:16:14.610 --> 01:16:15.970]  [EVILCORLEY]: I think that's what I'm going to do with this.
[01:16:15.990 --> 01:16:17.090]  [EVILCORLEY]: It seems similar.
[01:16:17.650 --> 01:16:17.990]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[01:16:18.310 --> 01:16:25.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: And the weird thing is that it affected other broadcasters on the other station who were not here.
[01:16:25.490 --> 01:16:29.790]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, that just tells me it's a bigger problem that's affecting...
[01:16:29.790 --> 01:16:31.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: Maybe it's affecting an entire carrier.
[01:16:32.230 --> 01:16:34.370]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, like Optimum is big on Long Island.
[01:16:34.450 --> 01:16:35.450]  [EVILCORLEY]: Maybe it's affecting them.
[01:16:35.710 --> 01:16:37.070]  [EVILCORLEY]: Maybe it's affecting Verizon.
[01:16:37.470 --> 01:16:38.010]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't know.
[01:16:39.410 --> 01:16:45.030]  [ROBVINCENT]: It could also just be there's things wrong, different things wrong on multiple ends of the equation here.
[01:16:45.030 --> 01:16:46.250]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, and it's all happening at once.
[01:16:46.690 --> 01:16:49.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: This is what we have to prepare for, folks who aren't here.
[01:16:50.690 --> 01:16:51.990]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I think I figured it out.
[01:16:52.330 --> 01:16:52.910]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, wait.
[01:16:53.110 --> 01:16:53.290]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[01:16:53.530 --> 01:16:54.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: What happened, Kyle?
[01:16:54.150 --> 01:17:00.990]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Well, I'm just saying, first of all, like, there's some update with OBS and I've been ignoring it.
[01:17:01.210 --> 01:17:01.810]  [KYLEDROSDK]: So, whatever.
[01:17:02.050 --> 01:17:03.490]  [EVILCORLEY]: This is what happens when you ignore updates.
[01:17:03.770 --> 01:17:03.910]  [EVILCORLEY]: Forget me.
[01:17:03.930 --> 01:17:05.070]  [EVILCORLEY]: They take you down.
[01:17:05.730 --> 01:17:08.390]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Well, I mean, I was going to get to it.
[01:17:08.530 --> 01:17:08.830]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Uh-huh.
[01:17:09.050 --> 01:17:09.270]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Okay.
[01:17:09.370 --> 01:17:10.210]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Is that 10,000?
[01:17:10.210 --> 01:17:12.010]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, you got our attention, OBS.
[01:17:12.350 --> 01:17:13.030]  [KYLEDROSDK]: 10,000.
[01:17:13.130 --> 01:17:13.410]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Okay.
[01:17:13.890 --> 01:17:14.530]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I'm just...
[01:17:14.530 --> 01:17:16.130]  [EVILCORLEY]: 10,000 KBBS?
[01:17:16.330 --> 01:17:18.170]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Putting our video back to what it was.
[01:17:18.390 --> 01:17:18.510]  [KYLEDROSDK]: All right.
[01:17:18.730 --> 01:17:20.710]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I had it at 960 by 540.
[01:17:20.930 --> 01:17:21.510]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Okay, so let's go back...
[01:17:21.510 --> 01:17:23.070]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I want it back the way it was, Kyle.
[01:17:23.070 --> 01:17:24.670]  [KYLEDROSDK]: The 1280...
[01:17:24.670 --> 01:17:24.850]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Okay.
[01:17:26.330 --> 01:17:27.110]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yes, people.
[01:17:27.550 --> 01:17:27.830]  [KYLEDROSDK]: All right.
[01:17:27.970 --> 01:17:31.270]  [KYLEDROSDK]: So, I think our bandwidth is back to what it was.
[01:17:32.250 --> 01:17:32.650]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:17:32.850 --> 01:17:34.190]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And that's $10,000.
[01:17:34.470 --> 01:17:35.110]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Okay, so...
[01:17:35.110 --> 01:17:37.630]  [EVILCORLEY]: And my video just popped up here.
[01:17:37.850 --> 01:17:38.710]  [EVILCORLEY]: The picture of the van.
[01:17:38.710 --> 01:17:39.390]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Everything should be excellent.
[01:17:39.610 --> 01:17:43.690]  [KYLEDROSDK]: The van should disappear and then it should come back and then the van should disappear and then it should come back.
[01:17:43.850 --> 01:17:45.130]  [KYLEDROSDK]: But, okay, so...
[01:17:45.130 --> 01:17:46.650]  [KYLEDROSDK]: OBS has a side pane that says...
[01:17:46.650 --> 01:17:48.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: It looks like I'm playing back, which is weird.
[01:17:48.770 --> 01:17:49.810]  [KYLEDROSDK]: YouTube live control.
[01:17:49.810 --> 01:17:50.090]  [KYLEDROSDK]: All right.
[01:17:50.250 --> 01:17:50.370]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[01:17:50.590 --> 01:17:51.530]  [ROBVINCENT]: I think we're on.
[01:17:51.650 --> 01:17:52.370]  [ROBVINCENT]: I think it looks good.
[01:17:52.370 --> 01:17:52.590]  [KYLEDROSDK]: What is that?
[01:17:53.070 --> 01:17:56.270]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Like, OBS just has, like, a YouTube sign-in now.
[01:17:56.670 --> 01:17:58.290]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, we can look into that later.
[01:17:58.710 --> 01:18:02.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: We can get into that later, but are we on now?
[01:18:02.630 --> 01:18:03.850]  [ROBVINCENT]: Yes, we are on now.
[01:18:03.850 --> 01:18:04.190]  [ROBVINCENT]: We are on now.
[01:18:04.190 --> 01:18:04.870]  [ROBVINCENT]: We are on now.
[01:18:04.950 --> 01:18:05.430]  [ROBVINCENT]: We sound good.
[01:18:05.550 --> 01:18:06.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: And are we...
[01:18:06.150 --> 01:18:10.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: I say, are we on recently or is it last week's show?
[01:18:11.470 --> 01:18:11.910]  [ROBVINCENT]: Yes.
[01:18:12.430 --> 01:18:13.070]  [ROBVINCENT]: What does that mean?
[01:18:13.070 --> 01:18:14.830]  [ROBVINCENT]: Everything that happens now is happening now.
[01:18:15.130 --> 01:18:15.570]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:18:16.210 --> 01:18:17.310]  [EVILCORLEY]: I need a break.
[01:18:17.770 --> 01:18:18.930]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, we all need a break.
[01:18:19.650 --> 01:18:20.290]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right, folks.
[01:18:20.730 --> 01:18:22.130]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, we'll see you next week.
[01:18:22.390 --> 01:18:23.310]  [EVILCORLEY]: This has been a good show.
[01:18:23.630 --> 01:18:24.310]  [ROBVINCENT]: Our best show.
[01:18:24.370 --> 01:18:24.690]  [ROBVINCENT]: Oh, yeah.
[01:18:25.290 --> 01:18:26.390]  [EVILCORLEY]: Can you get that piece of paper?
[01:18:26.550 --> 01:18:26.790]  [EVILCORLEY]: Thank you.
[01:18:28.710 --> 01:18:29.390]  [EVILCORLEY]: Thank you very much.
[01:18:30.490 --> 01:18:31.550]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, that was something.
[01:18:32.210 --> 01:18:33.790]  [EVILCORLEY]: And Kyle seems to have figured it out.
[01:18:34.930 --> 01:18:39.490]  [EVILCORLEY]: And maybe that'll solve our problem with the other station, too, even though it affects other people.
[01:18:40.970 --> 01:18:42.510]  [ROBVINCENT]: Well, this is fantastic.
[01:18:43.050 --> 01:18:50.470]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, again, folks, we've been dealing with crap over the last 25 minutes, but everything that you missed will be on the archive.
[01:18:50.850 --> 01:18:51.950]  [EVILCORLEY]: Not here on YouTube.
[01:18:52.090 --> 01:18:55.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: It'll be on 2600.com/offthehook.
[01:18:55.530 --> 01:19:04.790]  [EVILCORLEY]: And you can hear the Overtime segment of that, which will include a lot of things that only made it to us.
[01:19:04.870 --> 01:19:08.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, you'll hear us talking very candidly about some of you.
[01:19:08.410 --> 01:19:12.070]  [EVILCORLEY]: And basically going back and forth.
[01:19:12.290 --> 01:19:13.210]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And eating some snacks.
[01:19:13.370 --> 01:19:14.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: We had some snacks.
[01:19:14.530 --> 01:19:14.970]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yes.
[01:19:15.070 --> 01:19:19.330]  [EVILCORLEY]: We had some mystery visitors that came in.
[01:19:20.150 --> 01:19:22.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: And all sorts of intrigue.
[01:19:24.330 --> 01:19:25.150]  [ROBVINCENT]: Yes, I'm sorry.
[01:19:25.310 --> 01:19:32.450]  [ROBVINCENT]: You out there in video-land, you missed all the special guests we had who had so many interesting things to say.
[01:19:32.610 --> 01:19:34.470]  [ROBVINCENT]: But, you know, next time.
[01:19:34.550 --> 01:19:37.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, I don't want to do anything until I'm sure that everything is normal.
[01:19:37.050 --> 01:19:38.250]  [EVILCORLEY]: Do we have...
[01:19:38.250 --> 01:19:39.230]  [EVILCORLEY]: We have...
[01:19:39.230 --> 01:19:39.930]  [EVILCORLEY]: I feel normal.
[01:19:40.110 --> 01:19:40.310]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:19:40.470 --> 01:19:41.150]  [ROBVINCENT]: I mean, mostly normal.
[01:19:41.650 --> 01:19:43.210]  [ROBVINCENT]: It's our version of normal.
[01:19:43.310 --> 01:19:44.270]  [GILADRAZEN]: It's our version of normal.
[01:19:44.570 --> 01:19:48.130]  [GILADRAZEN]: The lag is back to a normal amount.
[01:19:48.150 --> 01:19:52.250]  [GILADRAZEN]: We've gone back up to 49 listeners, which is fantastic.
[01:19:53.230 --> 01:19:54.790]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm holding out for 50.
[01:19:55.190 --> 01:19:57.370]  [EVILCORLEY]: If we get over 50, then, you know...
[01:19:57.370 --> 01:20:01.430]  [GILADRAZEN]: Several many shout-outs to Kyle from various folks in the chat.
[01:20:02.850 --> 01:20:03.730]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I'm still curious.
[01:20:03.890 --> 01:20:07.090]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I don't know what happened, but OBS has, like, a Google sign-in now.
[01:20:07.110 --> 01:20:08.390]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I don't know what's up with that.
[01:20:08.650 --> 01:20:09.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, we'll figure that out.
[01:20:09.770 --> 01:20:11.510]  [EVILCORLEY]: But the bandwidth...
[01:20:11.510 --> 01:20:12.370]  [EVILCORLEY]: I can't get over it.
[01:20:12.430 --> 01:20:12.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: But, yeah, everything's back.
[01:20:12.530 --> 01:20:14.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: You said the bandwidth was half of what it was before.
[01:20:14.890 --> 01:20:16.250]  [EVILCORLEY]: Is it now normal?
[01:20:16.390 --> 01:20:19.110]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It's back to where we were set before.
[01:20:19.450 --> 01:20:19.590]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Okay, good.
[01:20:19.730 --> 01:20:22.130]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It seems to be able to do what we had always done.
[01:20:23.990 --> 01:20:34.170]  [ROBVINCENT]: Just, you know, if you out there have ever been downloading a whole bunch of MP3s from Kazaa, and then mom picks up the phone in the other room and ruins everything, yeah, that's where we were.
[01:20:34.490 --> 01:20:35.490]  [ROBVINCENT]: You're welcome, though.
[01:20:35.690 --> 01:20:35.830]  [EVILCORLEY]: Is Kazaa still a thing?
[01:20:36.070 --> 01:20:36.790]  [EVILCORLEY]: Is Kazaa still a thing?
[01:20:37.910 --> 01:20:39.070]  [ROBVINCENT]: I don't believe so.
[01:20:39.090 --> 01:20:39.930]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't know these things.
[01:20:40.230 --> 01:20:40.830]  [KYLEDROSDK]: You're welcome, though.
[01:20:40.830 --> 01:20:41.870]  [GILADRAZEN]: Wasn't that a movie with Shaquille O'Neal?
[01:20:43.810 --> 01:20:45.090]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I don't know.
[01:20:46.150 --> 01:20:48.430]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I think it's taken on different forms.
[01:20:48.770 --> 01:20:50.030]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And also there's...
[01:20:51.770 --> 01:20:54.030]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, distributed file sharing and other things.
[01:20:54.110 --> 01:20:55.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: Are we over 50 yet?
[01:20:57.230 --> 01:20:59.190]  [GILADRAZEN]: Uh, yeah, we're at 50 right now.
[01:20:59.410 --> 01:20:59.730]  [KYLEDROSDK]: All right.
[01:20:59.890 --> 01:21:01.070]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Okay, well, people are welcome...
[01:21:01.070 --> 01:21:02.050]  [GILADRAZEN]: Now we're at 54.
[01:21:02.310 --> 01:21:02.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, fine.
[01:21:02.910 --> 01:21:03.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: I can go on.
[01:21:03.430 --> 01:21:09.990]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Please, no, I get, like, glassy-eyed and very dumbfounded in those moments, but...
[01:21:09.990 --> 01:21:12.210]  [EVILCORLEY]: In my contract, I don't perform under 50.
[01:21:12.370 --> 01:21:18.830]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I get very frustrated when people tell me to, like, turn everything off and on again, but sometimes it's warranted, I guess.
[01:21:18.910 --> 01:21:21.550]  [EVILCORLEY]: Did you guys hear about this, the smoking thing in the U.K.?
[01:21:22.430 --> 01:21:22.830]  [EVILCORLEY]: What?
[01:21:22.830 --> 01:21:32.590]  [EVILCORLEY]: I didn't want to bring it up on Off The Hook because it's not really hacker-related per se, but they're banning smoking for people under a certain age.
[01:21:33.870 --> 01:21:35.130]  [EVILCORLEY]: But here's the thing.
[01:21:35.930 --> 01:21:37.090]  [EVILCORLEY]: This is what's weird.
[01:21:37.190 --> 01:21:38.210]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm reading this from Al Jazeera.
[01:21:39.570 --> 01:21:48.950]  [EVILCORLEY]: United Kingdom has passed a landmark law which will make it illegal for anyone born after 2008 to ever buy tobacco products.
[01:21:51.530 --> 01:21:55.590]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, I'm not a smoker, never have been, but I think this is really stupid.
[01:21:56.230 --> 01:22:05.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: On Tuesday, the House of Lords, the U.K. Parliament's Upper House, approved the Tobacco and Vapes Bill, which has already passed through the House of Commons.
[01:22:06.030 --> 01:22:13.890]  [EVILCORLEY]: Health advocacy groups have hailed the new law as the first time an entire generation of young people will never be allowed to buy cigarettes or vapes.
[01:22:15.050 --> 01:22:22.730]  [EVILCORLEY]: So basically what they're doing is they're banning it for people at a certain age, and every year that age is going to go up by one.
[01:22:23.130 --> 01:22:26.250]  [EVILCORLEY]: So people will never be allowed to buy cigarettes.
[01:22:26.690 --> 01:22:29.210]  [EVILCORLEY]: I mean, just ban the things already.
[01:22:29.210 --> 01:22:31.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: If that's the goal, what the hell?
[01:22:31.290 --> 01:22:32.250]  [EVILCORLEY]: This is nuts.
[01:22:32.410 --> 01:22:33.090]  [EVILCORLEY]: This is insane.
[01:22:33.290 --> 01:22:34.130]  [GILADRAZEN]: How is that going to work?
[01:22:34.870 --> 01:22:38.970]  [EVILCORLEY]: They're going to be proofing people at 65 in a few decades.
[01:22:39.430 --> 01:22:44.970]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's like, no, if you're 66, you can buy cigarettes, but you're 65, say, no, I'm sorry, you can't.
[01:22:46.110 --> 01:22:47.390]  [EVILCORLEY]: No, man, that's stupid.
[01:22:47.390 --> 01:22:48.070]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's dumb.
[01:22:48.210 --> 01:22:55.710]  [EVILCORLEY]: I am not a smoker, but for God's sake, if somebody really wants to buy a damn cigarette, either stop making them or let them buy it.
[01:22:56.110 --> 01:23:02.790]  [ALEXURBELS]: They should have a test that's something more like, if you know what MySpace is, then you can smoke.
[01:23:03.550 --> 01:23:05.210]  [EVILCORLEY]: What does MySpace have to do with it?
[01:23:05.650 --> 01:23:09.410]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, because that means you're old enough to be a certain age, right?
[01:23:09.590 --> 01:23:11.310]  [ALEXURBELS]: Instead of just banning after that.
[01:23:12.370 --> 01:23:14.390]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, I did.
[01:23:14.530 --> 01:23:15.630]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I've heard versions of this.
[01:23:15.890 --> 01:23:17.890]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, if you're...
[01:23:17.890 --> 01:23:21.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: I think if you're 17 now in the U.K., you can't buy cigarettes.
[01:23:21.630 --> 01:23:26.570]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, when you turn 18 next year, 18-year-olds won't be allowed to buy cigarettes.
[01:23:26.710 --> 01:23:27.990]  [EVILCORLEY]: 19-year-olds a year after that.
[01:23:28.310 --> 01:23:28.750]  [EVILCORLEY]: Forever.
[01:23:29.830 --> 01:23:42.310]  [EVILCORLEY]: Now, there's got to be a better way to deal with this than pissing off those particular people, because they're going to give them some kind of inferiority complex that they never are going to be allowed to do what other people were allowed to do.
[01:23:42.590 --> 01:23:43.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: And I'm not saying...
[01:23:43.610 --> 01:23:46.970]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm not backing cigarette smoking in any way.
[01:23:46.990 --> 01:23:48.790]  [EVILCORLEY]: I think it's a vile thing.
[01:23:48.910 --> 01:23:56.490]  [EVILCORLEY]: But, again, people have the right to, you know, to do what other people have done, unless you're going to ban it for everybody.
[01:23:56.850 --> 01:23:57.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, Rob.
[01:23:57.170 --> 01:24:09.590]  [ROBVINCENT]: This is going to have such an opposite effect, because forbidding cigarettes, forbidding tobacco from these people is just going to have the effect of making tobacco cool and interesting and forbidden and something you're getting away with, again.
[01:24:10.250 --> 01:24:18.430]  [ROBVINCENT]: like has happened with, I think, weed in this country, where, you know, the more legal it gets, the more boring, I think, the kids these days are finding it.
[01:24:19.930 --> 01:24:25.670]  [ALEXURBELS]: Well, it's an issue of equal protection under the law, like what we were talking about on the show as well.
[01:24:25.730 --> 01:24:35.530]  [ALEXURBELS]: You're going to have two adults that go in and ask for tobacco at a shop somewhere, and one of them's going to be able to buy it, and the other one's not going to be able to buy it.
[01:24:35.530 --> 01:24:39.030]  [ALEXURBELS]: And the only differentiating characteristic is the date on which they were born.
[01:24:39.250 --> 01:24:45.070]  [ALEXURBELS]: If there are two adults in the same country living under the same set of laws and rules, they should have the same rights and obligations.
[01:24:45.730 --> 01:24:51.350]  [ALEXURBELS]: So I think this will be struck down as being an unequal application of the law.
[01:24:51.970 --> 01:24:53.290]  [EVILCORLEY]: Struck down by who?
[01:24:53.510 --> 01:24:54.590]  [EVILCORLEY]: Who's going to strike it down?
[01:24:55.390 --> 01:25:08.870]  [ALEXURBELS]: Well, there's an unwritten constitution in the United Kingdom, and I would imagine that a judge would be able to apply, or rather decide that this is a law that shouldn't be applied.
[01:25:09.450 --> 01:25:18.430]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, an opinion poll carried out by YouGov back in 2024 for Action on Smoking and Health, which is called ASH, by the way.
[01:25:19.030 --> 01:25:20.590]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's a public health charity.
[01:25:21.010 --> 01:25:33.850]  [EVILCORLEY]: They suggested that 78% of the people supported the idea of creating a smoke-free generation in the U.K., while 52% of smokers supported raising the age of sale by one year every year.
[01:25:34.150 --> 01:25:35.390]  [EVILCORLEY]: Smokers support this.
[01:25:35.610 --> 01:25:40.230]  [EVILCORLEY]: A statement from ASH at the time of the poll said the policy has broad cross-party support.
[01:25:40.670 --> 01:25:43.370]  [EVILCORLEY]: 70% of those who voted Conservative support it.
[01:25:43.490 --> 01:25:45.290]  [EVILCORLEY]: 74% have voted Labour support it.
[01:25:45.650 --> 01:25:48.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: 75% have voted Liberal Democrat support it.
[01:25:48.170 --> 01:25:51.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, people don't like smoking, so ban smoking.
[01:25:51.430 --> 01:25:51.890]  [EVILCORLEY]: Do that.
[01:25:52.290 --> 01:25:54.230]  [EVILCORLEY]: But this, it's just...
[01:25:54.230 --> 01:25:55.030]  [EVILCORLEY]: Why?
[01:25:55.150 --> 01:25:55.970]  [EVILCORLEY]: Why do it this way?
[01:25:56.050 --> 01:25:56.950]  [EVILCORLEY]: It doesn't make any sense to me.
[01:25:57.330 --> 01:26:02.310]  [ALEXURBELS]: Well, it's weird to me that you're going to have versions of humans then, right?
[01:26:02.510 --> 01:26:12.290]  [ALEXURBELS]: Like, you'll have the pre-2008 version of humans who have a certain set of rights, and then the post-2008 version of humans that have a separate set of rights and obligations.
[01:26:13.310 --> 01:26:14.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's strange.
[01:26:14.090 --> 01:26:17.130]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's more like you're writing off people who were born before 2008.
[01:26:17.750 --> 01:26:20.910]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's like, okay, you've already, you know, had cigarettes.
[01:26:21.530 --> 01:26:26.830]  [EVILCORLEY]: We're not even going to try to save you, but everybody over that, no, you don't get to smoke at all.
[01:26:27.550 --> 01:26:31.050]  [KYLEDROSDK]: This also operates under the assumption that people are not mobile.
[01:26:31.530 --> 01:26:37.710]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I mean, they can go to other jurisdictions and participate in this activity and be exposed to it.
[01:26:37.790 --> 01:26:40.830]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I mean, we shouldn't take it so seriously.
[01:26:41.070 --> 01:26:49.730]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I do think it's a bit silly, but it's not going to contain people in some way.
[01:26:49.890 --> 01:26:51.050]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I mean, they're going to go on trips.
[01:26:51.230 --> 01:26:52.010]  [KYLEDROSDK]: They'll go elsewhere.
[01:26:52.250 --> 01:26:54.130]  [KYLEDROSDK]: They'll have lives, I think.
[01:26:54.710 --> 01:26:55.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm not kidding myself.
[01:26:55.810 --> 01:26:57.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: I know people will get around it.
[01:26:57.250 --> 01:27:04.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't think there's really going to be much of an effort to keep people from getting cigarettes, but this is just adding something.
[01:27:04.450 --> 01:27:08.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: And I'm sure it can be used against somebody if you really want to prosecute them for something.
[01:27:10.190 --> 01:27:11.710]  [EVILCORLEY]: So it'll be abused, too.
[01:27:12.230 --> 01:27:13.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm certain of that.
[01:27:13.690 --> 01:27:14.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: I just really...
[01:27:14.690 --> 01:27:18.830]  [EVILCORLEY]: This is about the most immature way of dealing with a problem I can think of.
[01:27:19.390 --> 01:27:21.390]  [GILADRAZEN]: I mean, didn't...
[01:27:21.390 --> 01:27:28.170]  [GILADRAZEN]: I guess I'm curious what the tobacco equivalent of bootlegging is going to be called.
[01:27:30.590 --> 01:27:32.790]  [GILADRAZEN]: Because, you know, did we not learn?
[01:27:33.030 --> 01:27:36.150]  [GILADRAZEN]: I mean, obviously, prohibition worked so well.
[01:27:38.490 --> 01:27:39.410]  [GILADRAZEN]: People are...
[01:27:39.410 --> 01:27:41.650]  [GILADRAZEN]: So apparently you can smoke, just not buy.
[01:27:43.330 --> 01:27:48.930]  [GILADRAZEN]: And someone says, BRB, becoming the most boring criminal ever by smoking while on social media.
[01:27:52.350 --> 01:27:52.930]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[01:27:53.050 --> 01:27:56.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, that's where we are.
[01:27:56.270 --> 01:27:57.330]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's state of the world.
[01:27:57.910 --> 01:27:58.370]  [EVILCORLEY]: So...
[01:27:58.370 --> 01:28:00.130]  [KYLEDROSDK]: If you're going to smoke something, make sure it's worth it.
[01:28:00.190 --> 01:28:00.950]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, exactly.
[01:28:00.950 --> 01:28:03.970]  [EVILCORLEY]: But, you know, I see this being used on other things as well.
[01:28:04.850 --> 01:28:07.470]  [EVILCORLEY]: And, you know, let your imagination roam on that.
[01:28:08.110 --> 01:28:09.030]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's just...
[01:28:09.510 --> 01:28:20.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: If we're going to have a particular age of maturity that you're allowed to do certain things, you can't just change that as you wish so that you face something out.
[01:28:20.730 --> 01:28:25.310]  [EVILCORLEY]: I mean, even though they're doing exactly that, it just doesn't seem like the right way, the fair way.
[01:28:25.490 --> 01:28:29.890]  [ALEXURBELS]: Well, on the other hand, some things just don't work well on older firmware.
[01:28:30.370 --> 01:28:32.990]  [ALEXURBELS]: There's a point at which you've got to get phased out.
[01:28:33.170 --> 01:28:44.910]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, I think there is some borrowing of that particular philosophy where, you know, end of life, you know, and they basically just won't support it anymore.
[01:28:45.330 --> 01:28:49.710]  [ALEXURBELS]: Are you projecting now, Emmanuel, and this is really all about the Google Nest?
[01:28:51.490 --> 01:29:11.970]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, but this is really, you know, I've had it up to here with, you know, these things being sunsetted or whatever, you know, where you no longer are able to get what other people are able to get because you didn't upgrade your software and you can't upgrade your software because you have to upgrade your hardware in order to upgrade the software,
[01:29:12.150 --> 01:29:17.110]  [EVILCORLEY]: which means you have to buy a whole goddamn computer You're because you want to run Chrome or something.
[01:29:17.530 --> 01:29:18.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's ridiculous.
[01:29:20.290 --> 01:29:23.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: And we've run into this all the damn time.
[01:29:23.310 --> 01:29:29.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, I had two instances the last couple of days that really annoyed the hell out of me.
[01:29:29.950 --> 01:29:34.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: I was trying to order food, you know, using this thing called qMENU.
[01:29:34.890 --> 01:29:35.850]  [EVILCORLEY]: You ever use qMENU?
[01:29:36.370 --> 01:29:37.210]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't know.
[01:29:37.290 --> 01:29:38.330]  [EVILCORLEY]: You don't ask to use qMENU.
[01:29:38.330 --> 01:29:39.950]  [EVILCORLEY]: You just wind up in qMENU.
[01:29:39.950 --> 01:29:42.650]  [EVILCORLEY]: And I was trying to order something, right?
[01:29:42.790 --> 01:29:47.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: And went through the whole thing, you know, got everything listed.
[01:29:47.310 --> 01:29:50.010]  [EVILCORLEY]: And then it comes time to check out, right?
[01:29:50.610 --> 01:30:00.130]  [EVILCORLEY]: And so you check out and you have to get a code sent to your phone.
[01:30:00.330 --> 01:30:01.290]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, okay, fine.
[01:30:01.490 --> 01:30:02.890]  [EVILCORLEY]: Got a code sent to my phone.
[01:30:03.150 --> 01:30:04.070]  [EVILCORLEY]: Here's the code.
[01:30:04.330 --> 01:30:04.750]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[01:30:04.910 --> 01:30:07.090]  [EVILCORLEY]: Now enter all your payment info.
[01:30:07.350 --> 01:30:08.670]  [EVILCORLEY]: Enter the payment info.
[01:30:10.130 --> 01:30:12.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: You need the billing ZIP Code.
[01:30:12.530 --> 01:30:13.570]  [EVILCORLEY]: Enter the billing ZIP Code.
[01:30:14.430 --> 01:30:18.210]  [EVILCORLEY]: Enter the CVV, the little three-digit code on the back of your card.
[01:30:18.650 --> 01:30:19.090]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay?
[01:30:19.550 --> 01:30:23.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: And now you have to enter the code that they just emailed you.
[01:30:23.750 --> 01:30:24.870]  [EVILCORLEY]: So now there's two codes.
[01:30:25.050 --> 01:30:27.330]  [EVILCORLEY]: You got to email, give them back that code.
[01:30:27.410 --> 01:30:29.430]  [EVILCORLEY]: Keep in mind the place is closing in like 20 minutes.
[01:30:30.630 --> 01:30:32.830]  [EVILCORLEY]: And then they add this.
[01:30:33.050 --> 01:30:34.870]  [EVILCORLEY]: They want the billing address.
[01:30:35.150 --> 01:30:41.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: I've already given them the five-digit ZIP Code of the billing address, but they want the full billing address.
[01:30:41.330 --> 01:30:43.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: So I give them the billing address.
[01:30:44.110 --> 01:30:48.590]  [EVILCORLEY]: And I get an error saying that's an invalid address.
[01:30:49.090 --> 01:30:50.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm like, an invalid address?
[01:30:50.410 --> 01:30:53.450]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's the address the credit card is registered to.
[01:30:54.630 --> 01:30:56.310]  [EVILCORLEY]: So there's a phone number to call.
[01:30:56.430 --> 01:30:57.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: And I actually called this phone number.
[01:30:57.790 --> 01:30:58.590]  [EVILCORLEY]: Somebody picked up.
[01:30:58.670 --> 01:30:59.830]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't know where they are.
[01:31:00.130 --> 01:31:02.070]  [EVILCORLEY]: And I explained the situation to them.
[01:31:02.890 --> 01:31:04.430]  [EVILCORLEY]: And they asked for the address.
[01:31:04.650 --> 01:31:05.330]  [EVILCORLEY]: I gave them the address.
[01:31:05.450 --> 01:31:07.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: And I said, oh, yeah, we don't accept P.O. boxes.
[01:31:09.910 --> 01:31:12.290]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm like, what the f*ck are you talking about?
[01:31:12.330 --> 01:31:12.890]  [EVILCORLEY]: You don't accept...
[01:31:12.890 --> 01:31:14.910]  [EVILCORLEY]: You asked me for the billing address.
[01:31:15.190 --> 01:31:17.070]  [EVILCORLEY]: The billing address is a P.O. box.
[01:31:18.050 --> 01:31:19.550]  [EVILCORLEY]: And you don't accept P.O. boxes?
[01:31:20.150 --> 01:31:21.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: How am I supposed to do this then?
[01:31:22.410 --> 01:31:24.490]  [EVILCORLEY]: They said, well, you can always call the place.
[01:31:24.890 --> 01:31:30.710]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm like, why am I wasting time with you if I just would call the place?
[01:31:30.750 --> 01:31:36.090]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm doing this online because, first of all, there's a profound language barrier with the place I was ordering from.
[01:31:36.190 --> 01:31:37.850]  [EVILCORLEY]: And that would not go well.
[01:31:37.890 --> 01:31:38.710]  [EVILCORLEY]: It would be a lot of confusion.
[01:31:38.710 --> 01:31:39.970]  [EVILCORLEY]: It would take a lot of time.
[01:31:40.210 --> 01:31:42.750]  [EVILCORLEY]: And this is a service that you're supposedly providing.
[01:31:42.750 --> 01:31:47.430]  [EVILCORLEY]: And you come up with this half-assed policy of not taking P.O. boxes as billing addresses when they are the billing address.
[01:31:51.150 --> 01:31:53.030]  [EVILCORLEY]: They said it was a security issue.
[01:31:53.210 --> 01:32:01.990]  [EVILCORLEY]: What possible security issue is that where you don't accept the answer to your question when the answer is correct?
[01:32:03.710 --> 01:32:06.770]  [EVILCORLEY]: So I had to go through a whole different service.
[01:32:07.190 --> 01:32:09.990]  [EVILCORLEY]: Actually, I had to go through three services total.
[01:32:09.990 --> 01:32:14.390]  [EVILCORLEY]: Do the whole order all over again and just make it barely before they closed.
[01:32:14.610 --> 01:32:18.590]  [EVILCORLEY]: But I found another one that didn't have this ridiculous restriction.
[01:32:19.050 --> 01:32:24.030]  [EVILCORLEY]: But somebody somewhere decides, yeah, this is going to be our policy from now on.
[01:32:24.790 --> 01:32:28.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: And they're going to convince themselves it's got something to do with security.
[01:32:28.270 --> 01:32:37.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: And what you wind up doing is inconveniencing who knows how many people and also taking money from the establishments these people are trying to frequent.
[01:32:38.010 --> 01:32:48.450]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, I'm just getting increasingly annoyed by these so-called policies that don't do anything, you know, except cause inconvenience.
[01:32:50.810 --> 01:32:56.910]  [ROBVINCENT]: Just to be totally clear, as brought up by someone in the chat, you weren't trying to get the pizza itself delivered to the P.O. box.
[01:32:57.470 --> 01:32:59.310]  [EVILCORLEY]: I was picking it up, first of all.
[01:32:59.470 --> 01:33:00.370]  [EVILCORLEY]: I was picking it up.
[01:33:00.370 --> 01:33:02.830]  [EVILCORLEY]: And it was a bit more involved in the pizza.
[01:33:03.670 --> 01:33:05.710]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, yeah, you know, I don't even know.
[01:33:05.810 --> 01:33:07.710]  [EVILCORLEY]: I didn't try putting in, like, any address.
[01:33:07.930 --> 01:33:10.650]  [EVILCORLEY]: Maybe that would have worked, which says a lot about their security.
[01:33:11.510 --> 01:33:13.710]  [EVILCORLEY]: But they just would not accept it.
[01:33:13.770 --> 01:33:18.390]  [EVILCORLEY]: I could understand if I was trying to get something delivered, you don't want it delivered to a P.O. box.
[01:33:18.770 --> 01:33:19.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: I get that.
[01:33:19.550 --> 01:33:21.010]  [EVILCORLEY]: And I think that's what it was.
[01:33:21.150 --> 01:33:24.070]  [EVILCORLEY]: It was bad programming where they just, we don't accept P.O. boxes for anything.
[01:33:25.830 --> 01:33:26.970]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's easier that way.
[01:33:26.970 --> 01:33:28.470]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's not easier that way.
[01:33:28.590 --> 01:33:30.310]  [EVILCORLEY]: Not if you use it as a billing address.
[01:33:35.610 --> 01:33:37.030]  [KYLEDROSDK]: The food was really good, though.
[01:33:37.090 --> 01:33:37.350]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It was.
[01:33:37.530 --> 01:33:37.750]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It was worth it.
[01:33:37.770 --> 01:33:38.950]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Oh, my God, it was worth it.
[01:33:39.110 --> 01:33:40.430]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I think there might be some left.
[01:33:40.910 --> 01:33:44.350]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, we couldn't even explain to the people there what was happening with their service.
[01:33:44.590 --> 01:33:48.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: It was, you know, like I said, profound language barrier, but so worth it.
[01:33:49.410 --> 01:33:52.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: And the other thing, okay, I had another issue with an insurance company.
[01:33:53.270 --> 01:33:57.330]  [EVILCORLEY]: I have two insurance policies with the same insurance company.
[01:33:57.330 --> 01:34:01.570]  [EVILCORLEY]: Do you know that's illegal to have two insurance policies with the same insurance company?
[01:34:02.250 --> 01:34:02.590]  [EVILCORLEY]: Huh.
[01:34:03.090 --> 01:34:03.450]  [GILADRAZEN]: No.
[01:34:03.750 --> 01:34:04.030]  [GILADRAZEN]: What?
[01:34:04.450 --> 01:34:04.850]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:34:05.290 --> 01:34:06.130]  [EVILCORLEY]: Thank you, Gila.
[01:34:06.250 --> 01:34:08.990]  [EVILCORLEY]: You're the only one that had a good reaction to that.
[01:34:09.190 --> 01:34:10.490]  [EVILCORLEY]: You guys were accepting it.
[01:34:10.590 --> 01:34:10.770]  [EVILCORLEY]: Really?
[01:34:10.910 --> 01:34:11.110]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:34:11.270 --> 01:34:11.450]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:34:11.450 --> 01:34:12.070]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's illegal.
[01:34:12.250 --> 01:34:13.890]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's illegal to have two policies.
[01:34:13.990 --> 01:34:14.870]  [EVILCORLEY]: No, it's not illegal.
[01:34:14.870 --> 01:34:15.570]  [EVILCORLEY]: Of course not.
[01:34:15.830 --> 01:34:25.070]  [EVILCORLEY]: The problem is their software couldn't handle one email address handling two insurance policies.
[01:34:25.070 --> 01:34:32.930]  [EVILCORLEY]: So what I had to do, I had to use one of my throwaway Gmail accounts and then use it again, but put a dot in the middle of it.
[01:34:33.630 --> 01:34:36.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: And that counted as two different email addresses.
[01:34:36.450 --> 01:34:41.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: So I was able to have one insurance policy on one email address, the other one on another email address.
[01:34:42.070 --> 01:34:49.390]  [EVILCORLEY]: And that worked for the last few years until they had a security change and said, everyone's got to change their password.
[01:34:49.390 --> 01:34:58.110]  [EVILCORLEY]: The password they make you change to is something like 15 characters long, has to have special digits, you know, at signs and dollar signs and all that.
[01:34:58.650 --> 01:35:04.390]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, I log into this thing maybe once every couple of years just to make sure everything is paid up.
[01:35:04.750 --> 01:35:06.070]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, it's not Fort Knox.
[01:35:06.250 --> 01:35:07.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't care that much.
[01:35:07.790 --> 01:35:12.910]  [EVILCORLEY]: But when I had to enter the new password, I had to enter all my credentials again.
[01:35:12.910 --> 01:35:17.650]  [EVILCORLEY]: And I entered email address, second email address, phone number.
[01:35:17.930 --> 01:35:25.130]  [EVILCORLEY]: And then I got an error on the second account saying that this phone number is already in use.
[01:35:25.650 --> 01:35:32.510]  [EVILCORLEY]: So now they've changed their policy so that you can't have the same phone number on more than one account.
[01:35:32.690 --> 01:35:35.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's like you're just trying to make things more and more difficult.
[01:35:35.810 --> 01:35:40.730]  [EVILCORLEY]: So it makes absolutely no sense to me why I wouldn't be able to have the same phone number on both accounts.
[01:35:40.730 --> 01:35:49.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: But this resulted in a back and forth with somebody in customer support who said, oh, why don't you just use the same email address for both accounts?
[01:35:49.690 --> 01:35:53.830]  [EVILCORLEY]: Like, because that was the problem in the first place that made me do this.
[01:35:53.930 --> 01:35:55.430]  [EVILCORLEY]: But apparently they fixed that now.
[01:35:55.430 --> 01:36:02.110]  [EVILCORLEY]: So I can go back and import my insurance policy into one of the email addresses.
[01:36:02.270 --> 01:36:06.930]  [EVILCORLEY]: I just realized that insurance policy is affiliated with two email addresses now.
[01:36:08.010 --> 01:36:13.130]  [EVILCORLEY]: But that's the way you have to do it because somebody made a decision and it has to do with security.
[01:36:15.590 --> 01:36:18.010]  [ROBVINCENT]: Anyone else have stories that they want to share?
[01:36:18.810 --> 01:36:29.150]  [ROBVINCENT]: Well, you mentioned phone numbers, which leads to something that we could start doing if things are up and running and able to be connected up together in a suitable manner.
[01:36:29.430 --> 01:36:30.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, the phone's on.
[01:36:30.690 --> 01:36:31.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: The phone line is connected.
[01:36:32.810 --> 01:36:33.470]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm sorry.
[01:36:33.470 --> 01:36:34.330]  [EVILCORLEY]: You're taking some calls.
[01:36:34.510 --> 01:36:35.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yes, let's do that.
[01:36:35.650 --> 01:36:37.010]  [EVILCORLEY]: Who wants to give out the phone number?
[01:36:38.550 --> 01:36:39.250]  [GILADRAZEN]: Better hurry.
[01:36:39.250 --> 01:36:40.570]  [GILADRAZEN]: Would you like to...
[01:36:40.570 --> 01:36:40.990]  [GILADRAZEN]: I'll do it.
[01:36:41.090 --> 01:36:41.510]  [GILADRAZEN]: I'll do it.
[01:36:41.750 --> 01:36:46.230]  [GILADRAZEN]: Okay, so our phone number is 802-321-HACK.
[01:36:47.510 --> 01:36:52.750]  [GILADRAZEN]: That's 802-321-4225.
[01:36:56.860 --> 01:37:03.700]  [ROBVINCENT]: And while we are waiting, I will still tell people, even though we're not on the air right now, we love WBAI and we hope you do too.
[01:37:03.940 --> 01:37:10.340]  [ROBVINCENT]: And go to give2wbai.org or buddy.wbai.org and throw in on keeping it going.
[01:37:11.060 --> 01:37:15.760]  [EVILCORLEY]: And just so there's no misunderstanding, when Rob says we're not on the air, we're on this thing, YouTube, whatever.
[01:37:16.200 --> 01:37:19.440]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's just technically not on the airwaves, but we're on.
[01:37:19.620 --> 01:37:20.660]  [EVILCORLEY]: We're on the Internet.
[01:37:20.980 --> 01:37:22.200]  [EVILCORLEY]: Everything is working now.
[01:37:22.580 --> 01:37:24.280]  [GILADRAZEN]: We're not on WBAI right now.
[01:37:24.420 --> 01:37:30.180]  [EVILCORLEY]: I hope not, because if we are, we have violated FCC policy so many times.
[01:37:30.280 --> 01:37:31.100]  [GILADRAZEN]: So many times.
[01:37:31.100 --> 01:37:32.160]  [ROBVINCENT]: I think I said the f*ck word.
[01:37:32.440 --> 01:37:33.100]  [GILADRAZEN]: I certainly did.
[01:37:33.360 --> 01:37:33.500]  [GILADRAZEN]: Wow.
[01:37:34.080 --> 01:37:34.800]  [ROBVINCENT]: Oh, shit.
[01:37:37.120 --> 01:37:39.160]  [EVILCORLEY]: Kyle, you're the only one who hasn't cursed so far.
[01:37:40.960 --> 01:37:41.640]  [EVILCORLEY]: No, that's good.
[01:37:41.720 --> 01:37:42.020]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's good.
[01:37:42.120 --> 01:37:42.580]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's a good thing.
[01:37:43.260 --> 01:37:44.360]  [EVILCORLEY]: We have a phone call?
[01:37:45.520 --> 01:37:45.880]  [KYLEDROSDK]: No.
[01:37:46.560 --> 01:37:47.160]  [EVILCORLEY]: We don't?
[01:37:47.860 --> 01:37:49.020]  [EVILCORLEY]: I heard the phone ring.
[01:37:49.340 --> 01:37:51.200]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, and then like it rang again.
[01:37:51.440 --> 01:37:53.200]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I couldn't tell if it was connected or not.
[01:37:55.700 --> 01:37:58.180]  [EVILCORLEY]: I hear a phone way in the distance.
[01:37:59.620 --> 01:38:01.200]  [EVILCORLEY]: Did the ringer get turned off?
[01:38:02.300 --> 01:38:03.500]  [ALEXURBELS]: In the distance?
[01:38:03.880 --> 01:38:04.100]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:38:04.540 --> 01:38:06.840]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's like a whole, like, hallway away.
[01:38:07.840 --> 01:38:09.520]  [EVILCORLEY]: It rang in here before.
[01:38:09.920 --> 01:38:11.080]  [EVILCORLEY]: Now it's ringing somewhere else.
[01:38:11.460 --> 01:38:13.500]  [EVILCORLEY]: We have a very complicated system.
[01:38:14.680 --> 01:38:16.000]  [EVILCORLEY]: Kyle's pressing buttons.
[01:38:16.720 --> 01:38:17.760]  [EVILCORLEY]: Looking frustrated.
[01:38:19.540 --> 01:38:20.140]  [EVILCORLEY]: Huh.
[01:38:21.800 --> 01:38:23.240]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, is the phone broken now?
[01:38:23.360 --> 01:38:26.540]  [EVILCORLEY]: I haven't brought it up because you have to tell me if there's something here.
[01:38:27.520 --> 01:38:30.340]  [ALEXURBELS]: Man, tonight we're really batting a thousand, huh?
[01:38:30.520 --> 01:38:30.940]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, we are.
[01:38:31.520 --> 01:38:33.300]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm going to talk to maybe nobody.
[01:38:33.300 --> 01:38:34.320]  [EVILCORLEY]: Is anybody there?
[01:38:35.660 --> 01:38:37.060]  [EVILCORLEY]: Is anybody on the phone?
[01:38:37.780 --> 01:38:38.040]  [EVILCORLEY]: No.
[01:38:39.100 --> 01:38:40.720]  [EVILCORLEY]: This is not the time to be quiet.
[01:38:40.880 --> 01:38:42.400]  [EVILCORLEY]: No, there's nobody there.
[01:38:42.520 --> 01:38:43.760]  [EVILCORLEY]: Did the phone get disconnected somehow?
[01:38:45.940 --> 01:38:55.860]  [ALEXURBELS]: When we were off the air, when we lost you guys, before Rob and I were laughing because, you know, we know that there's a stand-in person for Reggie tonight, right, at the station?
[01:38:56.160 --> 01:38:56.520]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh-huh.
[01:38:56.780 --> 01:39:04.720]  [ALEXURBELS]: And how that person probably was running around with their hair on fire thinking something, they did something wrong that caused everybody to be off the air.
[01:39:05.340 --> 01:39:09.660]  [ALEXURBELS]: But it wound up being a different root cause altogether.
[01:39:10.340 --> 01:39:14.720]  [ALEXURBELS]: But that new tech, whoever was there tonight, probably really had their hands full.
[01:39:19.640 --> 01:39:20.940]  [ROBVINCENT]: ... that we can curse, but they can't.
[01:39:22.300 --> 01:39:23.680]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm sure they are cursing.
[01:39:23.740 --> 01:39:26.180]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm sure a lot of people are cursing, but that's just...
[01:39:26.740 --> 01:39:28.900]  [EVILCORLEY]: The problem now is we can't find the phone line.
[01:39:29.040 --> 01:39:30.880]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's not showing up where it's supposed to show up.
[01:39:32.080 --> 01:39:36.300]  [EVILCORLEY]: It showed up before because we tested it.
[01:39:36.340 --> 01:39:36.900]  [EVILCORLEY]: We always do.
[01:39:38.840 --> 01:39:43.320]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's like someone very sophisticated is messing with us.
[01:39:44.340 --> 01:39:46.040]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm kind of fascinated by the whole thing.
[01:39:47.380 --> 01:39:49.560]  [ROBVINCENT]: It's a great disturbance in the force.
[01:39:49.820 --> 01:39:52.340]  [EVILCORLEY]: No, but Kyle, did you turn the ringer off or not?
[01:39:53.100 --> 01:39:54.500]  [KYLEDROSDK]: No, it's on full black.
[01:39:54.620 --> 01:40:00.880]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, so the fact that I heard it far away means I heard an extension down in a different office.
[01:40:01.720 --> 01:40:05.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: And that means somehow our phone line got disconnected in this office.
[01:40:06.240 --> 01:40:08.260]  [EVILCORLEY]: So we have to figure out where that happened.
[01:40:08.440 --> 01:40:11.540]  [EVILCORLEY]: It was connected just a moment ago because I heard it ringing here.
[01:40:11.540 --> 01:40:13.500]  [EVILCORLEY]: But something got disconnected.
[01:40:14.000 --> 01:40:15.860]  [EVILCORLEY]: And we're going to track that down.
[01:40:16.080 --> 01:40:19.640]  [EVILCORLEY]: So in the meantime, I came prepared with two stories, but I'm done now.
[01:40:19.900 --> 01:40:22.140]  [EVILCORLEY]: Someone else tell a story while we try and figure this out.
[01:40:22.960 --> 01:40:29.600]  [ROBVINCENT]: There was another story that caught my eye how the story is on the register.
[01:40:31.260 --> 01:40:36.120]  [ROBVINCENT]: Magnificent irony is Meta staff unhappy about running surveillance software on work PCs.
[01:40:36.600 --> 01:40:45.060]  [ROBVINCENT]: Apparently Meta is looking to train their AI by installing monitoring software on their own employees' computers.
[01:40:45.780 --> 01:40:47.900]  [ROBVINCENT]: And not everyone is happy with that.
[01:40:49.140 --> 01:40:53.580]  [ROBVINCENT]: Business Insider has a copy of the memo that went out announcing this to the staff.
[01:40:55.000 --> 01:41:00.100]  [ROBVINCENT]: Saying, all Meta employees can help our models get better by simply doing their daily work.
[01:41:00.260 --> 01:41:11.580]  [ROBVINCENT]: Starting today, we're rolling out a tool for U.S.-based full-time employees and contingent workers that captures computer inputs like mouse movements, click locations, and keystrokes as well as screen content for context.
[01:41:12.520 --> 01:41:18.540]  [ROBVINCENT]: Scope is limited to a pre-approved list of work-related applications and URLs like Gmail, Gchat, MetaMate, and VS Code.
[01:41:19.520 --> 01:41:26.360]  [ROBVINCENT]: U.S.-based employees will see a pop-up with instructions to enable the tool called Model Capability Initiative or MCI.
[01:41:28.140 --> 01:41:30.840]  [ROBVINCENT]: That initialism has been used elsewhere in the past.
[01:41:30.980 --> 01:41:31.820]  [GILADRAZEN]: That is hilarious.
[01:41:31.820 --> 01:41:38.040]  [ROBVINCENT]: Yeah, so to learn more about the tool works, including privacy safeguards, check out the wiki and fax.
[01:41:38.260 --> 01:41:56.700]  [ROBVINCENT]: But the supreme irony of people who work for one of the most powerful panopticans on the planet now, not liking when the bosses are looking at them instead of their users, is kind of delicious.
[01:41:57.520 --> 01:42:02.920]  [ROBVINCENT]: But at the same time, you can't really expect any privacy on a work and everyone should know that.
[01:42:03.020 --> 01:42:03.880]  [GILADRAZEN]: No, you definitely can't.
[01:42:03.960 --> 01:42:10.240]  [GILADRAZEN]: But I would guess the other question is, does this mean, like, what is the end goal here?
[01:42:10.880 --> 01:42:12.420]  [GILADRAZEN]: What are they attempting to...
[01:42:14.280 --> 01:42:20.600]  [GILADRAZEN]: Okay, so they're trying to farm it on AI that people aren't opting into, so they're opting in their entire workforce?
[01:42:20.860 --> 01:42:22.200]  [GILADRAZEN]: Is my understanding of that correctly?
[01:42:22.480 --> 01:42:23.880]  [ROBVINCENT]: That seems to be the case.
[01:42:24.740 --> 01:42:29.900]  [ROBVINCENT]: There's no option to opt out of this on your work-provided laptops as meta-CTO Andrew Bosworth.
[01:42:31.020 --> 01:42:33.220]  [ROBVINCENT]: And, yes, they're...
[01:42:33.220 --> 01:42:34.100]  [ROBVINCENT]: Excuse me.
[01:42:34.320 --> 01:42:42.700]  [ROBVINCENT]: They are training their own AI with their workers, not only what they're doing on their computers, but how they're jiggling the mouse and such like.
[01:42:46.600 --> 01:42:51.800]  [ROBVINCENT]: And apparently the Facebook employees are not, in fact, clicking like on that.
[01:42:57.680 --> 01:42:58.240]  [ROBVINCENT]: All right.
[01:42:58.340 --> 01:43:02.080]  [ROBVINCENT]: I'm going to put a question out to the chat because I'm sure somewhere out here...
[01:43:02.980 --> 01:43:05.360]  [ROBVINCENT]: We have a few more guests here now, too.
[01:43:05.920 --> 01:43:06.600]  [ROBVINCENT]: We do.
[01:43:07.000 --> 01:43:08.200]  [ROBVINCENT]: But I'm going to...
[01:43:08.200 --> 01:43:09.660]  [ROBVINCENT]: We're fixing the phone lines.
[01:43:09.880 --> 01:43:12.240]  [ROBVINCENT]: I'm going to ask who in the chat knows what...
[01:43:12.240 --> 01:43:13.060]  [ROBVINCENT]: Hello there.
[01:43:13.360 --> 01:43:15.660]  [ROBVINCENT]: Would our mystery guest care to introduce herself?
[01:43:16.860 --> 01:43:20.120]  [EFFIURBELS]: I'm the one who tolerates Alex and I'm married to him.
[01:43:22.520 --> 01:43:23.480]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's my wife.
[01:43:24.380 --> 01:43:24.840]  [ROBVINCENT]: Excellent.
[01:43:24.980 --> 01:43:25.260]  [ROBVINCENT]: Yes.
[01:43:25.700 --> 01:43:28.480]  [ROBVINCENT]: Well, you can answer this if you know, too.
[01:43:28.640 --> 01:43:38.020]  [ROBVINCENT]: But there was a telephone company called MCI back in the past and who in the chat without doing a web search knows what MCI stood for?
[01:43:38.540 --> 01:43:39.290]  [ROBVINCENT]: The initial MCI.
[01:43:40.140 --> 01:43:40.220]  [ALEXURBELS]: Oh, I can tell you.
[01:43:40.480 --> 01:43:41.460]  [ROBVINCENT]: Do you want me to say it?
[01:43:41.900 --> 01:43:46.840]  [ROBVINCENT]: Well, you hold off because I want to give this time for the delay and everything and give the chat a chance.
[01:43:47.400 --> 01:43:48.200]  [ALEXURBELS]: Oh, okay.
[01:43:48.480 --> 01:43:49.320]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, that's fine.
[01:43:49.700 --> 01:44:01.760]  [ROBVINCENT]: Yep, and if if someone if someone knows this I okay, Alex, you know this Gilly, you probably know this because you you were looking over my shoulder when I brought it up here.
[01:44:02.600 --> 01:44:04.740]  [ALEXURBELS]: I'm sure somebody in the chat knows it.
[01:44:05.400 --> 01:44:07.420]  [ALEXURBELS]: I'm sure someone in the chat must know this.
[01:44:08.140 --> 01:44:11.020]  [ALEXURBELS]: Wasn't it Microwave Communications Incorporated?
[01:44:11.420 --> 01:44:11.940]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yes.
[01:44:12.260 --> 01:44:12.880]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yes, it is.
[01:44:14.080 --> 01:44:14.520]  [ALEXURBELS]: Okay.
[01:44:15.160 --> 01:44:17.060]  [EFFIURBELS]: You just need to hold off saying anything.
[01:44:17.500 --> 01:44:18.860]  [ALEXURBELS]: Did you tell me to hold off?
[01:44:18.940 --> 01:44:19.380]  [ALEXURBELS]: I'm sorry.
[01:44:20.120 --> 01:44:28.040]  [ROBVINCENT]: We did tell you to hold off but fortunately someone someone in the chat picked it up before you said it.
[01:44:28.620 --> 01:44:28.960]  [ROBVINCENT]: Oh, yeah.
[01:44:29.080 --> 01:44:30.060]  [ROBVINCENT]: Before they heard you say it.
[01:44:30.800 --> 01:44:32.000]  [ROBVINCENT]: Oh, I don't know who that was.
[01:44:32.200 --> 01:44:33.900]  [ROBVINCENT]: I think you do know who that was.
[01:44:34.000 --> 01:44:34.960]  [ROBVINCENT]: That was Rebel.
[01:44:35.140 --> 01:44:41.300]  [GILADRAZEN]: You do but I would like to point out that someone said MCI stands for MCI's Current Initials.
[01:44:43.000 --> 01:44:43.820]  [ROBVINCENT]: Good one, Beans.
[01:44:43.920 --> 01:44:44.060]  [ROBVINCENT]: Okay.
[01:44:44.200 --> 01:44:51.860]  [ROBVINCENT]: I love a recursive acronym like GNU's not Linux or GNU's not UNIX rather.
[01:44:54.540 --> 01:44:59.400]  [ROBVINCENT]: But yes, Microwave Communications Incorporated which was the original name of the company.
[01:45:00.560 --> 01:45:01.820]  [GILADRAZEN]: It's just for hot calls.
[01:45:02.340 --> 01:45:02.480]  [ROBVINCENT]: Yeah.
[01:45:04.340 --> 01:45:05.320]  [ROBVINCENT]: See what you did there.
[01:45:05.600 --> 01:45:05.760]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yes.
[01:45:06.960 --> 01:45:07.320]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:45:07.440 --> 01:45:09.780]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, we're still trying to figure this out here.
[01:45:09.880 --> 01:45:15.080]  [EVILCORLEY]: There's something messed up with our phones where we pick it up and then it disconnects and we're trying.
[01:45:15.280 --> 01:45:16.400]  [EVILCORLEY]: We're trying really hard here.
[01:45:16.640 --> 01:45:17.580]  [EVILCORLEY]: I heard you mentioned Rebel.
[01:45:17.700 --> 01:45:18.440]  [EVILCORLEY]: Rebel was calling.
[01:45:19.320 --> 01:45:20.080]  [GILADRAZEN]: Of course he was.
[01:45:20.180 --> 01:45:21.220]  [EVILCORLEY]: Did he somehow reach you?
[01:45:22.440 --> 01:45:23.920]  [ROBVINCENT]: No, he's in the chat.
[01:45:24.320 --> 01:45:24.740]  [ROBVINCENT]: Okay.
[01:45:25.480 --> 01:45:28.940]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, I don't think I'm going to try.
[01:45:29.040 --> 01:45:30.160]  [EVILCORLEY]: Is anybody on the phone line?
[01:45:31.300 --> 01:45:32.800]  [EVILCORLEY]: No, there's nobody on the phone line.
[01:45:35.180 --> 01:45:40.420]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's very weird what's happening because the phone rings in here, we pick it up and it's ringing somewhere else.
[01:45:42.660 --> 01:45:43.960]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, it's kind of bizarre.
[01:45:45.140 --> 01:45:48.180]  [EVILCORLEY]: We'll keep giving out the phone number 802-321-4225.
[01:45:49.220 --> 01:45:50.040]  [EVILCORLEY]: Maybe it'll work.
[01:45:50.140 --> 01:45:50.720]  [EVILCORLEY]: Maybe it won't.
[01:45:51.000 --> 01:45:54.200]  [EVILCORLEY]: But you guys keep doing what you're doing.
[01:45:54.600 --> 01:45:55.740]  [GILADRAZEN]: We did get a question.
[01:45:55.980 --> 01:45:59.240]  [GILADRAZEN]: Tim in Connecticut asks ADT security.
[01:45:59.420 --> 01:46:00.420]  [GILADRAZEN]: Do we know what that one stands for?
[01:46:01.680 --> 01:46:02.120]  [ROBVINCENT]: ADT.
[01:46:03.600 --> 01:46:05.280]  [ROBVINCENT]: I confess I do not.
[01:46:06.100 --> 01:46:07.600]  [ALEXURBELS]: Alpha Delta Tango.
[01:46:08.320 --> 01:46:10.600]  [ROBVINCENT]: I had a family member who works for them too.
[01:46:10.820 --> 01:46:12.860]  [ROBVINCENT]: I should probably know this.
[01:46:15.640 --> 01:46:16.540]  [ROBVINCENT]: No idea.
[01:46:16.840 --> 01:46:18.300]  [ALEXURBELS]: What does ADT stand for?
[01:46:18.460 --> 01:46:21.400]  [ALEXURBELS]: It's probably a couple of last names or something.
[01:46:22.500 --> 01:46:24.000]  [ROBVINCENT]: Okay, we just looked it up.
[01:46:24.180 --> 01:46:26.940]  [ROBVINCENT]: And it is actually interesting.
[01:46:28.340 --> 01:46:31.680]  [GILADRAZEN]: So, yeah, they started as a telegraph delivery system.
[01:46:31.680 --> 01:46:35.560]  [GILADRAZEN]: And in 1874, I'm just reading for Wikipedia now.
[01:46:35.980 --> 01:46:41.320]  [GILADRAZEN]: In 1874, 57 district telegraph delivery companies affiliated and became American District Telegraph.
[01:46:42.660 --> 01:46:43.420]  [ALEXURBELS]: Wow.
[01:46:45.200 --> 01:46:55.520]  [GILADRAZEN]: And then, you know, as telegraphy telegraphy... telegraphy began waning in popularity, they pivoted, so to speak.
[01:46:56.140 --> 01:46:57.020]  [ROBVINCENT]: Thank you.
[01:46:57.120 --> 01:46:58.540]  [ROBVINCENT]: Thank you, Tim in Connecticut for that one.
[01:46:58.700 --> 01:46:59.780]  [ROBVINCENT]: That stumped us.
[01:47:03.070 --> 01:47:04.090]  [GILADRAZEN]: Stump the panel.
[01:47:07.290 --> 01:47:12.790]  [ALEXURBELS]: Well, it is a weird night what's happening with these telephone lines, so that's just...
[01:47:12.790 --> 01:47:12.890]  [ROBVINCENT]: Yeah.
[01:47:13.190 --> 01:47:13.810]  [ROBVINCENT]: It's very...
[01:47:13.810 --> 01:47:14.290]  [ROBVINCENT]: I think...
[01:47:14.290 --> 01:47:23.430]  [ROBVINCENT]: Well, if we can't get this up and running soon, we may have to call it a night early and have an Overtime in which we didn't talk to anyone except each other.
[01:47:23.430 --> 01:47:25.150]  [ROBVINCENT]: It's hardly an early one.
[01:47:26.010 --> 01:47:28.330]  [ROBVINCENT]: We've been futzing around here for almost an hour.
[01:47:28.930 --> 01:47:29.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:47:30.190 --> 01:47:31.630]  [ROBVINCENT]: Through no fault of our listeners.
[01:47:31.810 --> 01:47:33.630]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't think this is going to work out.
[01:47:33.750 --> 01:47:34.030]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm sorry.
[01:47:34.550 --> 01:47:38.570]  [EVILCORLEY]: We have some kind of issue with the phone interface.
[01:47:38.910 --> 01:47:39.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: Try now.
[01:47:40.130 --> 01:47:40.350]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:47:42.410 --> 01:47:43.770]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, we got a busy signal.
[01:47:43.890 --> 01:47:44.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's a start.
[01:47:46.450 --> 01:47:48.070]  [EVILCORLEY]: As you can see, the phone line is there.
[01:47:48.230 --> 01:47:49.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's just a question of keeping it there.
[01:47:51.670 --> 01:47:54.810]  [ROBVINCENT]: Somebody in the chat says the phone number is not working.
[01:47:54.990 --> 01:47:56.110]  [ROBVINCENT]: It's ringing, but we're not answering.
[01:47:56.230 --> 01:47:56.330]  [ROBVINCENT]: Right.
[01:47:56.450 --> 01:48:00.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: But we also know that we're not answering because we can't get the phone line in this office.
[01:48:00.290 --> 01:48:01.130]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's what we're trying to do.
[01:48:01.410 --> 01:48:08.910]  [GILADRAZEN]: But also if the phone rings and rings and rings, it is not that may mean that somebody is also already on the line.
[01:48:10.270 --> 01:48:11.530]  [GILADRAZEN]: We're not avoiding you.
[01:48:12.970 --> 01:48:14.210]  [EVILCORLEY]: Now it's not working again.
[01:48:14.990 --> 01:48:17.110]  [GILADRAZEN]: Time does fly when we're having fun with technology.
[01:48:17.450 --> 01:48:18.090]  [GILADRAZEN]: Isn't that the truth?
[01:48:18.390 --> 01:48:19.230]  [GILADRAZEN]: You know what this is?
[01:48:19.230 --> 01:48:20.450]  [EVILCORLEY]: We might have somebody on the phone.
[01:48:20.550 --> 01:48:20.930]  [EVILCORLEY]: Good evening.
[01:48:21.410 --> 01:48:22.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: Is anybody on the phone?
[01:48:23.490 --> 01:48:24.610]  [REBEL_RICH]: Yes, I can hear you.
[01:48:24.850 --> 01:48:30.510]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, Rebel, I cannot tell you how nice it is to hear your voice because that means the phone line is working.
[01:48:32.450 --> 01:48:34.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: But it might not be working for long.
[01:48:34.210 --> 01:48:37.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: We're not sure what's going to cause it to go out.
[01:48:37.530 --> 01:48:38.790]  [EVILCORLEY]: What's on your mind?
[01:48:38.870 --> 01:48:39.230]  [EVILCORLEY]: What's going on?
[01:48:39.270 --> 01:48:43.030]  [REBEL_RICH]: Maybe you should get a regular analog phone line, you know, something dependable.
[01:48:43.250 --> 01:48:44.490]  [EVILCORLEY]: Maybe you could help us find one.
[01:48:49.610 --> 01:48:52.390]  [EVILCORLEY]: Pretty shocking, huh?
[01:48:52.670 --> 01:48:53.310]  [EVILCORLEY]: No, they don't.
[01:48:54.770 --> 01:48:56.950]  [REBEL_RICH]: I mean, I don't know.
[01:48:57.150 --> 01:48:59.250]  [REBEL_RICH]: But anyway, let's see.
[01:48:59.870 --> 01:49:02.050]  [REBEL_RICH]: I bring the phone number in the chat.
[01:49:04.150 --> 01:49:10.090]  [REBEL_RICH]: The phone number is area code 630-400-0633.
[01:49:10.410 --> 01:49:11.870]  [REBEL_RICH]: Now, this number called me.
[01:49:12.430 --> 01:49:21.010]  [REBEL_RICH]: And it's one of those telemarketers, but I don't know if it's one of those scam telemarketers or what, it's an AI telemarketer where they recognize your voice.
[01:49:21.150 --> 01:49:22.470]  [REBEL_RICH]: So hold on, I'm going to try.
[01:49:23.950 --> 01:49:31.970]  [REBEL_RICH]: Basically, what happens is they call your cell phone and if you don't call back from the number that they called you at, this is what it says.
[01:49:32.590 --> 01:49:34.510]  [EVILCORLEY]: And now there'll be an awkward silence.
[01:49:35.950 --> 01:49:38.050]  [SPEAKER_04]: Please call back from the number we've called you.
[01:49:38.210 --> 01:49:39.950]  [SPEAKER_04]: We do not recognize your number.
[01:49:41.810 --> 01:49:42.830]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's so annoying.
[01:49:42.990 --> 01:49:44.950]  [EVILCORLEY]: Please call back from the number we've called you.
[01:49:47.090 --> 01:49:49.910]  [EVILCORLEY]: Please call back from the number we've called you from.
[01:49:50.310 --> 01:49:51.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: For f*ck's sake.
[01:49:51.690 --> 01:49:53.350]  [EVILCORLEY]: Speak English for God's sake.
[01:49:54.090 --> 01:49:57.790]  [REBEL_RICH]: Oh, that's, you know, I didn't realize, I said, yeah, we've called you.
[01:49:58.570 --> 01:49:59.430]  [REBEL_RICH]: Let's try that again.
[01:50:01.290 --> 01:50:02.730]  [REBEL_RICH]: Well, let's see what happens.
[01:50:02.930 --> 01:50:05.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: That grammar just gets me irate.
[01:50:05.310 --> 01:50:05.910]  [EVILCORLEY]: It really does.
[01:50:06.550 --> 01:50:09.050]  [ALEXURBELS]: Well, wouldn't it be the number from which you call?
[01:50:09.070 --> 01:50:12.010]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, if you want to be a dick about it, yeah, you can say it that way too.
[01:50:12.550 --> 01:50:12.910]  [EVILCORLEY]: Absolutely.
[01:50:13.530 --> 01:50:18.570]  [EVILCORLEY]: Just like if you knock on the door and say it is I, you can do that, but no one's going to answer the door.
[01:50:19.190 --> 01:50:19.730]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's correct.
[01:50:20.590 --> 01:50:21.690]  [SPEAKER_04]: We do not recognize your number.
[01:50:27.330 --> 01:50:28.130]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't recognize your authority... Anything else?
[01:50:29.710 --> 01:50:31.610]  [REBEL_RICH]: And the number we've called you.
[01:50:31.810 --> 01:50:32.570]  [REBEL_RICH]: That's interesting.
[01:50:33.010 --> 01:50:35.110]  [REBEL_RICH]: I never even noticed that.
[01:50:35.650 --> 01:50:38.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, that's, you know, that means something else entirely.
[01:50:39.670 --> 01:50:39.890]  [REBEL_RICH]: Right.
[01:50:40.810 --> 01:50:48.050]  [REBEL_RICH]: But listen to what happens when you call the actual number from the number that they call it from the number that they call you from.
[01:50:49.590 --> 01:50:51.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, that they called you added.
[01:50:52.350 --> 01:50:57.050]  [ROBVINCENT]: The number we called you is like the number we called number six.
[01:50:57.650 --> 01:51:00.890]  [REBEL_RICH]: Okay, did anyone call that number?
[01:51:01.690 --> 01:51:02.910]  [REBEL_RICH]: Area code 630....
[01:51:03.490 --> 01:51:05.670]  [EVILCORLEY]: We're not going to call the number that you give out.
[01:51:06.010 --> 01:51:07.090]  [EVILCORLEY]: We know it's a trap.
[01:51:08.710 --> 01:51:09.810]  [REBEL_RICH]: No, hold on.
[01:51:09.910 --> 01:51:10.630]  [REBEL_RICH]: I'm going to call it.
[01:51:10.770 --> 01:51:11.230]  [REBEL_RICH]: Hold on.
[01:51:12.310 --> 01:51:13.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: Nice knowing you Rebel.
[01:51:16.010 --> 01:51:17.850]  [EVILCORLEY]: This is the awkward silence I was talking about.
[01:51:23.180 --> 01:51:25.740]  [EVILCORLEY]: Can you crinkle those Pickle Balls a little louder Kyle?
[01:51:27.060 --> 01:51:27.720]  [KYLEDROSDK]: What do you mean?
[01:51:28.880 --> 01:51:30.000]  [REBEL_RICH]: Emmanuel are you there?
[01:51:30.320 --> 01:51:31.060]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, I'm here.
[01:51:31.640 --> 01:51:32.640]  [EVILCORLEY]: What's going on?
[01:51:33.520 --> 01:51:34.300]  [REBEL_RICH]: They hung up.
[01:51:35.320 --> 01:51:35.980]  [REBEL_RICH]: Wait a minute.
[01:51:36.400 --> 01:51:38.460]  [EVILCORLEY]: Has anyone ever hung up on you before Rebel?
[01:51:38.980 --> 01:51:42.500]  [REBEL_RICH]: No, no, no, No, because it's an artificial and AI thing.
[01:51:42.700 --> 01:51:46.120]  [REBEL_RICH]: If you don't say hello or say something, it just hangs up.
[01:51:46.340 --> 01:51:50.580]  [REBEL_RICH]: So when I think when I put three-way on it, just...
[01:51:50.680 --> 01:51:52.000]  [EVILCORLEY]: I think they got that from me, that's that's what I do.
[01:51:53.100 --> 01:51:54.220]  [REBEL_RICH]: Let's try this again.
[01:51:55.760 --> 01:51:56.820]  [REBEL_RICH]: Let's try this again.
[01:51:58.060 --> 01:51:58.820]  [REBEL_RICH]: Hold on.
[01:51:59.800 --> 01:52:01.780]  [EVILCORLEY]: Aren't you glad the phone's working again, Kyle?
[01:52:02.820 --> 01:52:05.840]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I swear, this show's been a technical nightmare, but I'm having fun.
[01:52:05.880 --> 01:52:06.820]  [EVILCORLEY]: Those are the best ones.
[01:52:07.120 --> 01:52:09.320]  [EVILCORLEY]: Those are the ones people really want to collect.
[01:52:09.420 --> 01:52:11.540]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Hang out with friends, eating some snacks.
[01:52:12.580 --> 01:52:13.820]  [EVILCORLEY]: You have the snacks.
[01:52:14.000 --> 01:52:15.200]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I'm rebuilding things.
[01:52:15.340 --> 01:52:16.880]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I don't know why this is broken.
[01:52:17.020 --> 01:52:18.540]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It seems like it's happy now.
[01:52:19.120 --> 01:52:20.160]  [REBEL_RICH]: It doesn't work.
[01:52:20.400 --> 01:52:20.820]  [REBEL_RICH]: Right.
[01:52:21.100 --> 01:52:24.240]  [REBEL_RICH]: But anyway, it's one of those scams where whatever those...
[01:52:24.240 --> 01:52:25.000]  [EVILCORLEY]: What's the scam?
[01:52:25.140 --> 01:52:26.320]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't get what the scam is.
[01:52:26.460 --> 01:52:28.780]  [REBEL_RICH]: They say, hi, this is whatever.
[01:52:29.180 --> 01:52:33.640]  [REBEL_RICH]: I'm calling from the policeman... the benevolent foundation....
[01:52:33.920 --> 01:52:36.180]  [REBEL_RICH]: We're doing our annual fundraising drive.
[01:52:36.680 --> 01:52:41.000]  [REBEL_RICH]: We're looking for your support, you know, like the WBAI, should have something like that.
[01:52:41.240 --> 01:52:43.240]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, we should have something like that.
[01:52:43.560 --> 01:52:44.080]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:52:44.620 --> 01:52:45.580]  [EVILCORLEY]: Thanks for the suggestion.
[01:52:45.920 --> 01:52:46.420]  [EVILCORLEY]: Anything else?
[01:52:47.200 --> 01:52:54.160]  [REBEL_RICH]: Okay, the phone number is area code 630-400-0633.
[01:52:54.480 --> 01:52:55.400]  [EVILCORLEY]: You gave it out before.
[01:52:55.400 --> 01:52:56.820]  [EVILCORLEY]: Why are you giving out the number again?
[01:52:57.080 --> 01:52:59.840]  [REBEL_RICH]: Well, I mean, in case anybody in the chat may want to call it.
[01:53:00.400 --> 01:53:02.020]  [EVILCORLEY]: Why would anyone want to put themselves through that?
[01:53:03.200 --> 01:53:04.840]  [ALEXURBELS]: Can't you just type it in the chat?
[01:53:04.840 --> 01:53:06.960]  [REBEL_RICH]: They do some different phone numbers.
[01:53:07.000 --> 01:53:11.960]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, but they're going to get the message that you just played us that is grammatically wrong and they're going to get frustrated.
[01:53:11.960 --> 01:53:16.320]  [REBEL_RICH]: No, actually, well, that's true, but maybe they won't.
[01:53:16.440 --> 01:53:28.220]  [REBEL_RICH]: I don't know because sometimes, I mean, it's like if you don't call, like, something they could block your number selectively, like, if you call them, like, more than a few times, they'll just play a recording.
[01:53:28.680 --> 01:53:31.660]  [REBEL_RICH]: Or, sorry, your call cannot be completed or something, they'll block your number.
[01:53:31.840 --> 01:53:36.640]  [EVILCORLEY]: By the way, who knows where that area code is geographically assigned to?
[01:53:37.760 --> 01:53:38.200]  [REBEL_RICH]: Arizona.
[01:53:39.180 --> 01:53:39.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: Is that true?
[01:53:40.360 --> 01:53:42.080]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wait, you said 630?
[01:53:43.600 --> 01:53:45.700]  [EVILCORLEY]: I think 620 is Arizona.
[01:53:45.820 --> 01:53:47.080]  [EVILCORLEY]: 630, isn't that Chicago?
[01:53:48.520 --> 01:53:49.840]  [REBEL_RICH]: Wait, 630?
[01:53:50.300 --> 01:53:50.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:53:50.700 --> 01:53:51.020]  [REBEL_RICH]: Hold on.
[01:53:51.640 --> 01:53:52.540]  [EVILCORLEY]: Pretty sure it's Chicago.
[01:53:53.100 --> 01:53:53.520]  [GILADRAZEN]: It is.
[01:53:54.080 --> 01:53:54.380]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yes.
[01:53:55.180 --> 01:53:56.480]  [EVILCORLEY]: Don't mess with me, Rebel.
[01:53:56.580 --> 01:53:57.420]  [EVILCORLEY]: I know my area codes.
[01:54:00.020 --> 01:54:01.040]  [REBEL_RICH]: Let's see, what else?
[01:54:02.440 --> 01:54:04.840]  [REBEL_RICH]: Yeah, so they could selectively block your number.
[01:54:04.980 --> 01:54:06.620]  [REBEL_RICH]: Like, I've mentioned this before.
[01:54:07.220 --> 01:54:11.960]  [REBEL_RICH]: I've been listening to all the old Off The Hooks and sometimes you'll get phone numbers out and you'll call different things.
[01:54:12.120 --> 01:54:13.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: I was going to ask what you did in your spare time.
[01:54:14.020 --> 01:54:17.380]  [EVILCORLEY]: Now I know you listen to old episodes of the show that you call incessantly.
[01:54:19.300 --> 01:54:34.260]  [REBEL_RICH]: And when I call those numbers, like you used to call some of the phone numbers from different companies, all of them go to basically the same thing, like, welcome to America's hottest talk line, or whatever, or, you know, we have a special offer for you.
[01:54:40.560 --> 01:54:47.600]  [ROBVINCENT]: Old phone numbers tend not to work anymore, unless you're one of the lucky few who have the same phone number for a long, long time.
[01:54:47.880 --> 01:54:58.640]  [ROBVINCENT]: And businesses, especially like telephone companies, the little telephone companies that have not existed for ages, they're not going to still have those old phone numbers probably hooked to anything.
[01:54:58.820 --> 01:55:13.180]  [ROBVINCENT]: And so the old phone numbers, like when you let a web domain expire, will just get picked up by whatever junky, spammy company is, you know, wrangling up these things and collecting them and using them to just pull in random calls from people looking for something else.
[01:55:14.020 --> 01:55:16.460]  [REBEL_RICH]: Yeah, but why, why is that even allowed?
[01:55:16.600 --> 01:55:21.020]  [REBEL_RICH]: Why should a company be allowed to like have multiple phone numbers for the same thing?
[01:55:21.100 --> 01:55:27.680]  [REBEL_RICH]: Just like, you know, you used to have like multiple 800 numbers for one company.
[01:55:27.680 --> 01:55:31.120]  [ALEXURBELS]: I think that sounds like a question for next week, Rebel.
[01:55:31.780 --> 01:55:38.880]  [ALEXURBELS]: Well, we should, we should open up the phone lines, I think, and, you know, we've got to at least take a couple of more calls.
[01:55:39.220 --> 01:55:40.440]  [EVILCORLEY]: I think you're being dismissed, Rebel.
[01:55:41.340 --> 01:55:42.140]  [REBEL_RICH]: Okay, Alex.
[01:55:42.900 --> 01:55:43.240]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[01:55:44.260 --> 01:55:48.240]  [EVILCORLEY]: That sounded a little ominous the way he said that, but okay, I'm sure he'll be following up.
[01:55:48.460 --> 01:55:49.520]  [EVILCORLEY]: Thank you for that call.
[01:55:49.720 --> 01:55:52.580]  [EVILCORLEY]: 802-321-4225 is our phone number.
[01:55:54.100 --> 01:55:55.980]  [EVILCORLEY]: Is he, is everything still connected?
[01:55:56.140 --> 01:55:57.300]  [EVILCORLEY]: Is the chat still connected?
[01:55:57.680 --> 01:56:03.120]  [EVILCORLEY]: Because I'm looking at a window here, it says the chat was disconnected, and there's no indication how to connect it again.
[01:56:03.420 --> 01:56:09.900]  [ROBVINCENT]: You might have to just refresh your YouTube page there because chat's still going, everything's still up and running for us.
[01:56:10.080 --> 01:56:17.020]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, this is a YouTube page that starts the stream, so if I refresh that, it might refresh the stream.
[01:56:17.220 --> 01:56:19.280]  [GILADRAZEN]: I mean, people have been chatting.
[01:56:19.600 --> 01:56:21.600]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right, well, I don't read chat anyway, so it doesn't even matter.
[01:56:22.960 --> 01:56:29.900]  [ROBVINCENT]: That's why you got the chat being monitored over here by your colleagues.
[01:56:30.120 --> 01:56:30.680]  [ROBVINCENT]: We got a phone call?
[01:56:31.060 --> 01:56:32.080]  [EVILCORLEY]: I didn't hear the phone ring.
[01:56:32.240 --> 01:56:33.500]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wow, okay, we have another phone call.
[01:56:33.580 --> 01:56:35.040]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I disconnected the phone in here.
[01:56:35.540 --> 01:56:38.660]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, the phone's disconnected in here, but the phone line goes to the...
[01:56:39.880 --> 01:56:40.160]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:56:41.600 --> 01:56:42.100]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm here.
[01:56:42.100 --> 01:56:42.460]  [EVILCORLEY]: Good evening.
[01:56:42.680 --> 01:56:44.600]  [EVILCORLEY]: You're on Off The Hook Overtime.
[01:56:44.660 --> 01:56:44.880]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead.
[01:56:46.200 --> 01:56:54.400]  [SPEAKER_05]: Hey, I'm just calling to say this has been one of the most interesting shows that I have heard in the time of me listening to 2600 Off The Hook or any of these.
[01:56:54.400 --> 01:56:57.760]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's almost like a Freaky Friday thing going on.
[01:56:57.760 --> 01:56:59.780]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, it's...
[01:56:59.780 --> 01:57:01.280]  [EVILCORLEY]: Nobody can predict when it'll happen.
[01:57:01.280 --> 01:57:02.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: It just does every now and then.
[01:57:03.580 --> 01:57:09.180]  [SPEAKER_05]: No, but it's calling to say, you know, how you were talking about the whole Meta and the AI watching everyone and stuff.
[01:57:09.400 --> 01:57:11.920]  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, it's the whole thing with that.
[01:57:12.060 --> 01:57:25.680]  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, it is invasive and it's creepy, but the thing that's been going on where it's got me a little bit weirded out is the smart glass, you know, because there's different things I've seen online now where you can actually obfuscate the record on those.
[01:57:26.240 --> 01:57:34.520]  [SPEAKER_05]: And there are places that you just should not be wearing those glasses and it's just it's one of those things that I'm like, wow, privacy much?
[01:57:36.140 --> 01:57:36.620]  [ROBVINCENT]: Absolutely.
[01:57:36.900 --> 01:57:37.580]  [ROBVINCENT]: Exactly, yeah.
[01:57:38.800 --> 01:57:48.920]  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I could not think of, you know, someone wearing those and I'm like, you know, I'm sitting somewhere like the dentist's office or something and those glasses have no business in an environment like that.
[01:57:49.200 --> 01:57:55.560]  [SPEAKER_05]: And it's just like, unfortunately, with the whole wearables and Internet of Things, it's only going to get worse.
[01:57:55.940 --> 01:58:01.740]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's just wow, because I saw someone the other day with them and I was like, oh my gosh, it's such a no-no.
[01:58:01.960 --> 01:58:02.580]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, that's the thing.
[01:58:02.580 --> 01:58:10.260]  [EVILCORLEY]: You saw somebody with them because they look incredibly nerdy, these glasses, but one day they're going to make them so they don't look like that.
[01:58:10.340 --> 01:58:17.080]  [EVILCORLEY]: They look like regular glasses or they'll make contact lenses or whatever and you won't know who has cameras in their faces.
[01:58:18.780 --> 01:58:23.020]  [SPEAKER_05]: My thing is the legality and the consent and where you're bringing those glasses.
[01:58:23.380 --> 01:58:45.320]  [SPEAKER_05]: I look at someone that might be a museum or something and they have somebody's art in there and it's copyrighted and we don't know necessarily the legalities of how long they're going to hold that particular from that AI or not and it's really just Pandora's box on legal situations with intellectual property and stuff.
[01:58:45.460 --> 01:58:52.600]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, or a potential burglar who gets legitimate access to your house for some reason and walks through every single room.
[01:58:52.600 --> 01:58:56.720]  [EVILCORLEY]: knows where everything is and records all that for future endeavors.
[01:58:57.780 --> 01:58:58.140]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[01:58:58.400 --> 01:59:00.580]  [SPEAKER_05]: Like I said, I have nothing wrong with technology.
[01:59:00.580 --> 01:59:01.320]  [SPEAKER_05]: I love it.
[01:59:01.460 --> 01:59:07.020]  [SPEAKER_05]: Obviously, listen to y'all show, but there is a limit where, come on, guys, this is just a little too freaky for even me.
[01:59:08.140 --> 01:59:12.020]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yes, we're skeptics on the use of technology in many cases.
[01:59:12.300 --> 01:59:13.300]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's good and bad every time.
[01:59:14.540 --> 01:59:23.440]  [SPEAKER_05]: All right, I just wanted to say I love the show despite all the craziness and to get y'all input on the whole smart glass thing and its appropriate and inappropriateness.
[01:59:23.880 --> 01:59:30.360]  [SPEAKER_05]: My question is, if Alex is still around, does he know anything about that when it comes to intellectual property and the recording of those things?
[01:59:36.060 --> 01:59:51.120]  [ALEXURBELS]: I know some things about that, but a lot of it is going to be dependent upon the contracts that you sign, these contracts of adhesion for all these different services such that you give them the right to record certain things and they have data retention practices, they might mine this data, they might extract metadata from it, they might anonymize it, they might train AIs.
[01:59:57.440 --> 02:00:03.440]  [ALEXURBELS]: There's a number of things that can be done with that data that are completely out of our control once they start recording.
[02:00:04.040 --> 02:00:08.160]  [ALEXURBELS]: So, yeah, I think we're all right to be concerned about that.
[02:00:08.300 --> 02:00:09.860]  [EVILCORLEY]: I see Rob's hand going up, Rob.
[02:00:10.140 --> 02:00:24.720]  [ROBVINCENT]: Yeah, and there's also the matter of if you're out in public and you can you expect privacy when you're walking past like in this city, you go outside and you're walking past countless security cameras and things like that and being recorded on computers you'll never control, but at the same time if you're in someone's house or you're in your workplace or you're in, you know...
[02:00:30.680 --> 02:00:31.540]  [GILADRAZEN]: The gym locker room.
[02:00:31.740 --> 02:00:33.300]  [ROBVINCENT]: Yeah, the gym locker room, exactly.
[02:00:33.540 --> 02:00:33.820]  [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.
[02:00:33.980 --> 02:00:34.500]  [ROBVINCENT]: Stuff like that.
[02:00:34.720 --> 02:00:36.220]  [SPEAKER_05]: You're like, oh no, TMI.
[02:00:37.920 --> 02:00:46.600]  [ROBVINCENT]: But, and when it comes to the point because these glasses do look like recording devices now, although it is kind of easy to hide that aspect.
[02:00:46.880 --> 02:00:50.120]  [ROBVINCENT]: They're supposed to have a light that goes on when they're recording, but you can disable the light.
[02:00:50.820 --> 02:01:01.400]  [ROBVINCENT]: But these things are only going to look more and more like regular-ass glasses and it's going to get to the point where you can't tell if you're being recorded no matter where you go.
[02:01:01.640 --> 02:01:09.660]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, is there some kind of technological way that you can detect something is recording in someone's glasses as you pass by them?
[02:01:10.360 --> 02:01:10.720]  [SPEAKER_05]: What does that happen?
[02:01:10.740 --> 02:01:12.960]  [SPEAKER_05]: That's what I want to know just because of consent.
[02:01:13.980 --> 02:01:35.660]  [ROBVINCENT]: Yeah, there's not a way you can tell what something is doing, but there is an app out there for Android called Nearby Glasses and what it does is it tries to scan for the Bluetooth signature known to be broadcast by these glasses and can tell you sort of with a little bit of dependability if someone around you is using them,
[02:01:36.000 --> 02:01:39.420]  [ROBVINCENT]: but even when that happens, you don't know who it is that's setting it off.
[02:01:39.500 --> 02:01:41.040]  [ROBVINCENT]: You don't know if it's some kind of false positive.
[02:01:41.540 --> 02:01:46.640]  [ROBVINCENT]: All you can do is try and be a little more careful about what you do or say because it's possible you're being recorded.
[02:01:46.840 --> 02:01:49.960]  [EVILCORLEY]: Is Bluetooth essential for using these glasses though?
[02:01:50.440 --> 02:01:52.200]  [ROBVINCENT]: I think they Bluetooth to your phone.
[02:01:53.160 --> 02:01:53.280]  [ROBVINCENT]: Okay.
[02:01:53.400 --> 02:01:57.300]  [SPEAKER_05]: Not just to the phone, but you know, like if you don't have your phone with you, that's another question.
[02:01:58.700 --> 02:02:02.680]  [SPEAKER_05]: If you look for Apple Watch, pending certain models, you don't need that.
[02:02:03.040 --> 02:02:11.840]  [SPEAKER_05]: But there are, you know, with the glasses, I think you're right, I think it absolutely must have the phone and it must have a meta account somewhere attached to it or whoever makes that particular glass.
[02:02:14.140 --> 02:02:14.580]  [ROBVINCENT]: Yeah.
[02:02:14.780 --> 02:02:23.700]  [ROBVINCENT]: And then the interesting question becomes, say you've got this detector app on your phone and it pops up, okay, someone else's, someone around you is using these glasses, what do you do with that information?
[02:02:23.920 --> 02:02:31.280]  [ROBVINCENT]: Do you start like, you know, confronting people or do you just like remove yourself from the situation or do you get your ass kicked on the subway?
[02:02:31.560 --> 02:02:32.380]  [GILADRAZEN]: Put over your head.
[02:02:33.260 --> 02:02:33.400]  [ROBVINCENT]: Yeah.
[02:02:33.940 --> 02:02:47.960]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's like Pandora's box because of privacy and that's one thing I treasure the most is privacy because it's like, man, there's a time part of my life that's very private and there's also a part that I like to share, you know, but it's the boundaries and how bad it's getting blurred but guys,
[02:02:48.100 --> 02:03:03.380]  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't want to take too much of your phone time away but again, wanted to say enjoy the show despite all the technical difficulties and thanks for the input also from Alex on his standpoint on the legalities of those glasses recording with or without consent because that's really good points.
[02:03:04.420 --> 02:03:04.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[02:03:05.000 --> 02:03:06.120]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, thank you very much for your call.
[02:03:06.660 --> 02:03:08.540]  [ALEXURBELS]: Well, one question before you go.
[02:03:10.820 --> 02:03:12.320]  [EVILCORLEY]: Alex has a question for you.
[02:03:12.460 --> 02:03:12.580]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead.
[02:03:13.100 --> 02:03:15.860]  [ALEXURBELS]: Did we ask from where you're calling?
[02:03:16.100 --> 02:03:16.980]  [ALEXURBELS]: I don't think we did.
[02:03:17.420 --> 02:03:18.980]  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm actually in Orlando, Florida.
[02:03:19.960 --> 02:03:20.360]  [ALEXURBELS]: All right.
[02:03:20.620 --> 02:03:20.820]  [ALEXURBELS]: Okay.
[02:03:21.120 --> 02:03:21.840]  [ALEXURBELS]: Well, thanks for calling.
[02:03:22.820 --> 02:03:23.040]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yes.
[02:03:23.100 --> 02:03:23.960]  [SPEAKER_05]: You have a great night.
[02:03:24.140 --> 02:03:24.360]  [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
[02:03:24.560 --> 02:03:24.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: Take care.
[02:03:25.140 --> 02:03:25.260]  [SPEAKER_05]: Bye.
[02:03:26.740 --> 02:03:27.140]  [EVILCORLEY]: Cool.
[02:03:27.360 --> 02:03:29.060]  [EVILCORLEY]: And thank you, Kyle, for making the phones work.
[02:03:29.160 --> 02:03:29.960]  [EVILCORLEY]: We're getting good phone calls.
[02:03:30.640 --> 02:03:31.440]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Well, it's weird.
[02:03:31.580 --> 02:03:33.840]  [KYLEDROSDK]: The hybrid has like a line now.
[02:03:34.660 --> 02:03:35.840]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I don't understand it.
[02:03:35.980 --> 02:03:36.800]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I'm learning everything.
[02:03:37.020 --> 02:03:41.320]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I think everything just went haywire, but it seems to be working somewhat normally.
[02:03:42.020 --> 02:03:45.920]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I really, that last caller was so astute in some of those observations.
[02:03:46.400 --> 02:03:56.200]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And there's ways of detecting cameras that are around, but you shouldn't have to be doing counter surveillance just to be comfortable in the environment that you're in.
[02:03:56.320 --> 02:04:01.480]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And I do see this issue as kind of difficult, but also a paradox.
[02:04:01.680 --> 02:04:07.360]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I'll say difficult because in public places there's been a long-standing right to photograph.
[02:04:07.740 --> 02:04:18.200]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And as a photographer myself and as there are so many cameras around us all the time, including ones for municipal surveillance and the like, it's kind of unavoidable.
[02:04:18.460 --> 02:04:32.820]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And in that space, I think that legal right should be allowed, whether the camera is itself in something that you're wearing or a camera that you are holding in a more traditional sense or built into your phone, et cetera, et cetera.
[02:04:32.980 --> 02:04:47.460]  [KYLEDROSDK]: So I think that makes it especially difficult because in that these cameras are ever more mobile, they can go from indoors to outdoors and from public and private spaces and back again.
[02:04:47.580 --> 02:04:50.120]  [KYLEDROSDK]: So it gets kind of hard to police that.
[02:04:50.280 --> 02:04:54.240]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I think it's really about etiquette and behaviors and social norms that we establish.
[02:04:54.500 --> 02:05:13.940]  [KYLEDROSDK]: The other thing I think it's ironic is that a lot of the people that are embracing this kind of filming and recording, in my opinion, might be in the camps of people that get kind of, let's say, prickly and upset about journalists and photographers coming in where they're able to photograph legally.
[02:05:14.480 --> 02:05:30.920]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And I just, I kind of chuckle to myself in thinking about people who will, on one hand, you know, cling to that right they have to photograph if it's their camera on their face.
[02:05:31.020 --> 02:05:36.020]  [KYLEDROSDK]: But if someone's doing it professionally trying to cover some event, they get, you know, chased out of town.
[02:05:36.520 --> 02:05:37.040]  [EVILCORLEY]: Right, right.
[02:05:37.160 --> 02:05:40.480]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's like, you know, the same thing when, you know, cops want to film you.
[02:05:40.580 --> 02:05:42.020]  [EVILCORLEY]: But if you film a cop, that's a problem.
[02:05:42.280 --> 02:05:42.420]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[02:05:42.600 --> 02:05:57.640]  [KYLEDROSDK]: So, I mean, it's like, be careful when you start pounding your chest about that right and that freedom because when there's a story about the perverse ways you were using these and the big cameras come and film you, they have that same right.
[02:05:58.380 --> 02:05:59.360]  [EVILCORLEY]: We have another phone call.
[02:05:59.460 --> 02:05:59.760]  [EVILCORLEY]: Good evening.
[02:05:59.940 --> 02:06:00.720]  [EVILCORLEY]: You're on Overtime.
[02:06:00.880 --> 02:06:01.060]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead.
[02:06:03.260 --> 02:06:03.660]  [EVILCORLEY]: Hello?
[02:06:04.460 --> 02:06:05.160]  [EVILCORLEY]: Is anyone there?
[02:06:08.150 --> 02:06:09.210]  [EVILCORLEY]: Do you have a call, Kyle?
[02:06:09.470 --> 02:06:09.890]  [EVILCORLEY]: I think we do.
[02:06:10.030 --> 02:06:11.250]  [EVILCORLEY]: This thing says we have a call.
[02:06:11.390 --> 02:06:11.790]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It's connected.
[02:06:12.310 --> 02:06:12.570]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[02:06:14.310 --> 02:06:15.470]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, there's nobody speaking.
[02:06:15.730 --> 02:06:17.490]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I think, I think they forgot about us.
[02:06:17.710 --> 02:06:17.950]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Maybe.
[02:06:18.790 --> 02:06:19.850]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Do you want it to go away?
[02:06:20.510 --> 02:06:22.130]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, I want to give them one more chance.
[02:06:22.910 --> 02:06:27.110]  [EVILCORLEY]: If, if anyone is on the phone connected to us, we're probably talking to you.
[02:06:27.370 --> 02:06:27.730]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Does anything appear there?
[02:06:27.870 --> 02:06:30.230]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, I see, I see caller ID there.
[02:06:31.330 --> 02:06:32.410]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Should we let them go?
[02:06:32.690 --> 02:06:34.250]  [EVILCORLEY]: And that hiss is...
[02:06:34.250 --> 02:06:34.850]  [EVILCORLEY]: Should we cut them loose?
[02:06:34.870 --> 02:06:35.350]  [EVILCORLEY]: ...the channel?
[02:06:35.530 --> 02:06:36.370]  [EVILCORLEY]: I think we have to.
[02:06:36.530 --> 02:06:39.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: And unfortunately, if you hear us saying this, we have no choice.
[02:06:39.310 --> 02:06:39.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead.
[02:06:40.310 --> 02:06:41.790]  [EVILCORLEY]: And that number is gone.
[02:06:42.510 --> 02:06:44.630]  [EVILCORLEY]: 802-321-4225 is our number.
[02:06:44.730 --> 02:06:45.350]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, there's another call.
[02:06:45.610 --> 02:06:46.010]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[02:06:47.110 --> 02:06:48.130]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's the same number.
[02:06:48.450 --> 02:06:49.850]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead and pick up the phone.
[02:06:50.110 --> 02:06:50.570]  [EVILCORLEY]: And good evening.
[02:06:50.770 --> 02:06:52.070]  [EVILCORLEY]: You're on Overtime.
[02:06:52.230 --> 02:06:52.430]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead.
[02:06:54.570 --> 02:07:00.110]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, I just wanted to follow up on something Rebel was talking about earlier.
[02:07:00.610 --> 02:07:01.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[02:07:01.370 --> 02:07:02.790]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's never happened before, but go ahead.
[02:07:05.590 --> 02:07:06.930]  [SPEAKER_14]: I'm calling from Florida also.
[02:07:07.030 --> 02:07:08.210]  [SPEAKER_14]: This may be a record for you tonight.
[02:07:08.210 --> 02:07:08.790]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[02:07:09.290 --> 02:07:10.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: Two Florida calls.
[02:07:11.390 --> 02:07:11.670]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[02:07:11.890 --> 02:07:12.270]  [SPEAKER_14]: You're record.
[02:07:14.410 --> 02:07:28.130]  [SPEAKER_14]: But what Rebel was talking about as far as the telephone numbers, where they want you to call from the number they called you from, or the number you called from, the reason for that, these are scammers.
[02:07:28.810 --> 02:07:36.810]  [SPEAKER_14]: And when they call you, they want you to call from that same number they called because they want to make sure you're legit.
[02:07:36.970 --> 02:07:45.130]  [SPEAKER_14]: You're not just f*cking with them because right now, there's a lot of what they call scam baiters on YouTube who randomly call these people and stuff like that.
[02:07:45.830 --> 02:07:49.410]  [SPEAKER_14]: So these scammers, they like to keep control.
[02:07:49.650 --> 02:07:52.310]  [SPEAKER_14]: They only want to speak to people that they have solicited.
[02:07:53.170 --> 02:07:57.970]  [SPEAKER_14]: So when you call them, you got to call them from the telephone number they called you for while they will hang up.
[02:07:58.130 --> 02:07:59.950]  [EVILCORLEY]: I love how you use the word legitimate.
[02:08:00.510 --> 02:08:04.070]  [EVILCORLEY]: You have to be a legitimate scam victim to talk to them.
[02:08:06.610 --> 02:08:07.890]  [SPEAKER_14]: That's basically what it is.
[02:08:07.990 --> 02:08:18.650]  [SPEAKER_14]: And as far as the language, that voicemail that said something to the effect of, you have to call us back from the number we called you from, and it sounded kind of awkward to you.
[02:08:18.750 --> 02:08:30.890]  [SPEAKER_14]: The reason it sounds awkward is because they normally, I mean, these are people, English is not their first language, so they're saying these things, and they're having an AI translator say those things.
[02:08:31.010 --> 02:08:31.730]  [SPEAKER_14]: You get what I'm saying?
[02:08:32.010 --> 02:08:47.830]  [SPEAKER_14]: So that's the reason it sounds a little weird, you know, when that woman's you know, but yeah, I just wanted to say that, and by the way, if you call those numbers, you got to be careful because when Rebel was suggesting, oh, you should go ahead and call that number,
[02:08:47.990 --> 02:09:03.190]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, when you call these numbers, a lot of times, they actually add your telephone number to their database, so if you're going to call them, you got to call them from not your real phone number, some throwaway telephone number, because they might just add your number to the database, and then you...
[02:09:14.690 --> 02:09:16.550]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, well, thanks for all that enlightenment.
[02:09:16.930 --> 02:09:18.850]  [EVILCORLEY]: I know a lot more now than I did before.
[02:09:20.350 --> 02:09:21.470]  [SPEAKER_14]: That's what I wanted to say.
[02:09:21.610 --> 02:09:21.850]  [SPEAKER_14]: Thanks.
[02:09:21.930 --> 02:09:23.030]  [SPEAKER_14]: I'm enjoying the show.
[02:09:23.230 --> 02:09:23.550]  [SPEAKER_14]: Thank you.
[02:09:23.710 --> 02:09:24.550]  [EVILCORLEY]: Thank you for your call.
[02:09:24.770 --> 02:09:25.230]  [EVILCORLEY]: Take care.
[02:09:26.510 --> 02:09:36.150]  [ROBVINCENT]: How beautiful is the idea that the telephone robocall scam companies are like, you know what would make our business easier if we could get rid of the unsolicited phone calls we're getting.
[02:09:37.570 --> 02:09:38.090]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[02:09:38.750 --> 02:09:39.910]  [EVILCORLEY]: That is incredible.
[02:09:40.370 --> 02:09:42.470]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right, we're only taking calls from Florida tonight, apparently.
[02:09:42.750 --> 02:09:44.930]  [EVILCORLEY]: So 802-321-4225.
[02:09:47.670 --> 02:09:49.210]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Sunshine State only.
[02:09:49.450 --> 02:09:50.370]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yes, yes, indeed.
[02:09:51.130 --> 02:09:52.310]  [EVILCORLEY]: So it's a sunshine day.
[02:09:52.450 --> 02:09:53.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: We're just kidding.
[02:09:53.190 --> 02:09:54.090]  [EVILCORLEY]: You can call from anywhere.
[02:09:55.250 --> 02:09:56.430]  [EVILCORLEY]: We'll accept your call.
[02:09:56.650 --> 02:09:59.090]  [GILADRAZEN]: I'll go for a walk outside now.
[02:09:59.090 --> 02:10:01.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: 802-321-4225.
[02:10:01.850 --> 02:10:03.670]  [EVILCORLEY]: As I fade this channel down.
[02:10:04.710 --> 02:10:06.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: 802-321-4225.
[02:10:10.430 --> 02:10:11.070]  [EVILCORLEY]: Laughing's fine.
[02:10:11.210 --> 02:10:11.910]  [EVILCORLEY]: Singing is not.
[02:10:13.030 --> 02:10:15.550]  [GILADRAZEN]: Is it what I was singing or that I was singing?
[02:10:16.850 --> 02:10:17.250]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[02:10:19.250 --> 02:10:19.650]  [GILADRAZEN]: Okay.
[02:10:19.890 --> 02:10:20.090]  [GILADRAZEN]: Okay.
[02:10:20.250 --> 02:10:20.630]  [GILADRAZEN]: Good to know.
[02:10:20.790 --> 02:10:21.090]  [GILADRAZEN]: Thank you.
[02:10:24.730 --> 02:10:25.810]  [ROBVINCENT]: We have fun.
[02:10:26.010 --> 02:10:28.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, you got to wait a couple of minutes, though, for another phone call.
[02:10:28.190 --> 02:10:31.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: And we can't really hear the phone ringing, so.
[02:10:31.830 --> 02:10:39.050]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I've made it fainter because I wanted to reduce the amount of things that were connected to that line since we rebooted everything.
[02:10:39.050 --> 02:10:40.430]  [EVILCORLEY]: We're going to have to do a lot of troubleshooting later.
[02:10:40.970 --> 02:10:41.610]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Oh, wow.
[02:10:41.690 --> 02:10:42.590]  [KYLEDROSDK]: That line thing.
[02:10:42.810 --> 02:10:43.090]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Oh, yeah.
[02:10:43.150 --> 02:10:43.290]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Okay.
[02:10:43.290 --> 02:10:43.850]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Here's a call.
[02:10:44.470 --> 02:10:46.590]  [EVILCORLEY]: See, I don't hear it ringing, but you say it's ringing.
[02:10:47.270 --> 02:10:47.670]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[02:10:48.570 --> 02:10:50.150]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I hear it ringing in the other room.
[02:10:50.330 --> 02:10:51.310]  [KYLEDROSDK]: We have a caller now.
[02:10:51.770 --> 02:10:52.470]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, great.
[02:10:52.650 --> 02:10:53.090]  [EVILCORLEY]: Good evening.
[02:10:53.230 --> 02:10:53.870]  [EVILCORLEY]: You're on Overtime.
[02:10:54.010 --> 02:10:54.230]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead.
[02:10:55.270 --> 02:10:55.910]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Hello, guys.
[02:10:56.110 --> 02:10:57.930]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: This is the guy from Queens with the dog.
[02:10:58.050 --> 02:10:58.650]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: How are you guys?
[02:10:58.930 --> 02:11:00.210]  [EVILCORLEY]: A guy from Queens with the dog.
[02:11:00.290 --> 02:11:02.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, that certainly narrows it down, doesn't it?
[02:11:02.650 --> 02:11:03.830]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Yeah, my name is Howard.
[02:11:04.130 --> 02:11:04.750]  [EVILCORLEY]: We know you.
[02:11:05.410 --> 02:11:05.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[02:11:06.030 --> 02:11:07.590]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I'm the guy with that beautiful lab.
[02:11:08.310 --> 02:11:09.590]  [EVILCORLEY]: How is your dog?
[02:11:10.490 --> 02:11:11.790]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Oh, she's doing great.
[02:11:12.070 --> 02:11:12.230]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah?
[02:11:12.810 --> 02:11:13.310]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's great.
[02:11:13.330 --> 02:11:17.910]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Yeah, I may be coming to that thing that you're having at the New York...
[02:11:17.910 --> 02:11:19.110]  [EVILCORLEY]: The whole conference in Manhattan.
[02:11:19.110 --> 02:11:20.510]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yes, we'd love to see you there.
[02:11:21.450 --> 02:11:22.910]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Yeah, I may have a different dog.
[02:11:23.010 --> 02:11:26.450]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I don't know if she's going to get retired, but here's what I'm calling about.
[02:11:26.910 --> 02:11:28.650]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: You were talking about the glasses.
[02:11:29.010 --> 02:11:29.210]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yes.
[02:11:29.750 --> 02:11:37.170]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: You know, what are you going to say to someone who's fine and using a pair of glasses to have their environment explained to them?
[02:11:37.590 --> 02:11:39.710]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: How are you going to know what people are using them for?
[02:11:39.950 --> 02:11:40.790]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, that's a good point.
[02:11:40.970 --> 02:11:41.730]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's a good point.
[02:11:43.150 --> 02:11:51.450]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I mean, it's going to be, you know, every technology can be abused and used, depending on what you use it, but can be used for good or can be used for bad.
[02:11:51.830 --> 02:11:52.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: Right, right.
[02:11:54.210 --> 02:11:58.090]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: And government is now trying to make so many regulations, it's just crazy.
[02:11:58.250 --> 02:12:01.530]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Welcome to the WB2HWW...
[02:12:01.990 --> 02:12:03.770]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, you're going to have to explain that, right?
[02:12:04.150 --> 02:12:05.330]  [EVILCORLEY]: What's that computer saying?
[02:12:06.870 --> 02:12:08.550]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Oh, you heard the computer in the background?
[02:12:08.710 --> 02:12:09.350]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, what is that?
[02:12:10.050 --> 02:12:13.050]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: That was my radio looking for a local repeater.
[02:12:13.230 --> 02:12:13.890]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, wow.
[02:12:14.970 --> 02:12:17.010]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: You heard my repeater going off in the background.
[02:12:18.290 --> 02:12:20.490]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: It just said WB2HWW, WB2HWW...
[02:12:20.530 --> 02:12:21.610]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Everybody knows who I am.
[02:12:21.690 --> 02:12:23.950]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: They just have to look up in the FCC database.
[02:12:25.250 --> 02:12:25.650]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yes.
[02:12:25.930 --> 02:12:27.510]  [EVILCORLEY]: Howard is a ham radio operator.
[02:12:27.690 --> 02:12:28.850]  [EVILCORLEY]: Is that a correct thing to say?
[02:12:29.830 --> 02:12:31.290]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Yes, I'm a ham radio operator.
[02:12:31.430 --> 02:12:31.590]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: All right.
[02:12:32.090 --> 02:12:32.470]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I'm a ham.
[02:12:32.630 --> 02:12:48.390]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: By the way, I was listening to your whole conversation a couple weeks back when you were talking about telephones and why the phone company went from letting your phone ring all the time, and now it only stops ringing after, like, say, 10 or 15 rings.
[02:12:48.630 --> 02:12:48.770]  [EVILCORLEY]: Right.
[02:12:49.710 --> 02:12:59.290]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Because if you had a black box, and you were basically able to pull the line down, short the line, then open it up and just have a capacitor in series.
[02:12:59.530 --> 02:12:59.670]  [EVILCORLEY]: Right.
[02:12:59.670 --> 02:13:00.310]  [EVILCORLEY]: No supervision.
[02:13:01.490 --> 02:13:01.890]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: You would have...
[02:13:01.890 --> 02:13:02.490]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: You would have...
[02:13:02.490 --> 02:13:03.810]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: You'd be able to have a free phone call.
[02:13:04.010 --> 02:13:04.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yep.
[02:13:04.230 --> 02:13:05.450]  [EVILCORLEY]: That could last for days.
[02:13:06.810 --> 02:13:07.010]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Yeah.
[02:13:07.110 --> 02:13:08.350]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Well, I'll tell you what.
[02:13:08.450 --> 02:13:09.950]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Then after a while, they got smart.
[02:13:10.170 --> 02:13:11.170]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: And I'll tell you what.
[02:13:11.250 --> 02:13:17.750]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Back in the 1970s, I used to have a radio tied to a phone line, and I had a...
[02:13:17.750 --> 02:13:21.430]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: You know, I used a relay, normally-closed, open relay.
[02:13:21.730 --> 02:13:24.670]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: You use a capacitor in series with the relay.
[02:13:25.010 --> 02:13:28.230]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: You short the line for a split second, the relay opens.
[02:13:28.230 --> 02:13:33.150]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: And then I would play your radio down the phone line to people.
[02:13:33.290 --> 02:13:36.670]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: But I got caught after a while for doing that, because it was bleed over.
[02:13:36.930 --> 02:13:37.370]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, wow.
[02:13:37.450 --> 02:13:44.350]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Someone sitting at a desk at a central office said, why is there audio on the phone line and no one's supposed to be there?
[02:13:45.610 --> 02:13:49.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, when they get wise down at the central office, that's when you've got to worry.
[02:13:50.230 --> 02:13:59.150]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Yeah, when they have a guy sitting at a desk there going through all the lines and saying, why do I have a, why do I have a radio playing here on a, on a ring and tip and just...
[02:13:59.150 --> 02:14:00.790]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, did they call you?
[02:14:00.890 --> 02:14:01.650]  [EVILCORLEY]: Did they show up?
[02:14:01.750 --> 02:14:02.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: Or did they do?
[02:14:03.090 --> 02:14:10.710]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Oh, the guy, the guy, they came by and they told me, cut it out and we're gonna, said, here's a pokey.
[02:14:10.850 --> 02:14:11.890]  [EVILCORLEY]: They actually came by?
[02:14:12.770 --> 02:14:16.530]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Well, the guy, don't believe it or not, the guy knew me.
[02:14:16.590 --> 02:14:17.390]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: He was another ham.
[02:14:18.070 --> 02:14:19.450]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, that's great.
[02:14:20.130 --> 02:14:21.410]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: He worked for Tom Duffy.
[02:14:21.510 --> 02:14:22.330]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Remember Tom Duffy?
[02:14:22.750 --> 02:14:23.950]  [EVILCORLEY]: Why does that sound familiar?
[02:14:24.010 --> 02:14:24.550]  [EVILCORLEY]: Who is that?
[02:14:25.170 --> 02:14:28.010]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Tom Duffy was the security guy from New York Tech.
[02:14:28.270 --> 02:14:29.090]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's right.
[02:14:29.090 --> 02:14:29.830]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, my God.
[02:14:29.970 --> 02:14:31.750]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's, that's stored way back in my brain.
[02:14:32.810 --> 02:14:33.870]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: That's Tom Duffy.
[02:14:34.650 --> 02:14:38.090]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: And by the way, are you guys going to see Bubbles?
[02:14:39.030 --> 02:14:40.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, you mean the film?
[02:14:40.410 --> 02:14:42.850]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, do you have the info on where, when that's showing?
[02:14:43.550 --> 02:14:45.490]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I think that's on May 2nd.
[02:14:45.810 --> 02:14:53.570]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Uh, it's supposed to be at that MovingImage museum in, in Whitestone, or, or...
[02:14:53.570 --> 02:14:53.890]  [ROBVINCENT]: Astoria.
[02:14:54.430 --> 02:14:54.830]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Astoria.
[02:14:55.230 --> 02:14:58.130]  [EVILCORLEY]: I think, uh, uh, Rob or Gila are looking it up.
[02:14:58.210 --> 02:14:59.110]  [EVILCORLEY]: Maybe they're both looking it up.
[02:14:59.250 --> 02:15:01.230]  [EVILCORLEY]: And we'll have the info for everybody in a second.
[02:15:01.330 --> 02:15:02.290]  [EVILCORLEY]: But yeah, thanks for reminding us.
[02:15:02.430 --> 02:15:05.230]  [EVILCORLEY]: We're talking about the Joybubbles film that's, uh, that's coming out.
[02:15:05.230 --> 02:15:08.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: About the blind phone phreak from, uh, where was he from?
[02:15:08.650 --> 02:15:08.850]  [EVILCORLEY]: Minnesota?
[02:15:10.350 --> 02:15:11.750]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Yeah, I spoke to him a couple of times.
[02:15:11.990 --> 02:15:14.890]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: He thought, he was a, he was a pretty interesting guy.
[02:15:15.250 --> 02:15:19.310]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: He was a kid, he was a kid in a man's, uh, body.
[02:15:19.470 --> 02:15:21.890]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: He was, he was a pretty smart guy.
[02:15:23.730 --> 02:15:32.510]  [GILADRAZEN]: Um, Joybubbles will be screening at the Museum of the MovingImage as part of the Real Abilities Film Festival, May 2nd at 2 p.m.
[02:15:32.510 --> 02:15:37.850]  [GILADRAZEN]: It is scheduled to be in one of their smaller screening rooms, so if you want to get tickets, hop on that quickly.
[02:15:38.690 --> 02:15:41.490]  [GILADRAZEN]: Um, movingimage.org is the website for the museum.
[02:15:41.630 --> 02:15:41.970]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead, Kyle.
[02:15:42.090 --> 02:15:48.230]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Yeah, if you want their phone number, I think it's 718-777-6800.
[02:15:48.690 --> 02:15:49.730]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's a good phone number.
[02:15:49.890 --> 02:15:50.750]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's a really good phone number.
[02:15:50.970 --> 02:15:52.870]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, Kyle, you had, you had something to say.
[02:15:53.890 --> 02:15:54.210]  [EVILCORLEY]: What?
[02:15:54.670 --> 02:15:57.390]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Oh, well, with this, you, you just, you have to wait a second.
[02:15:57.390 --> 02:15:59.010]  [KYLEDROSDK]: So, open it and wait a second.
[02:15:59.470 --> 02:16:00.590]  [KYLEDROSDK]: You're telling me how to open a can?
[02:16:00.610 --> 02:16:01.230]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And then pour it.
[02:16:01.290 --> 02:16:02.130]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, just wait a second.
[02:16:02.130 --> 02:16:03.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: You could have written that down.
[02:16:03.310 --> 02:16:05.950]  [KYLEDROSDK]: No, I just, I was going to send you a note, but I figured this would be fast.
[02:16:05.950 --> 02:16:06.590]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm opening it now.
[02:16:07.310 --> 02:16:08.290]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, my God.
[02:16:10.810 --> 02:16:12.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: Did you shake it before you...
[02:16:12.170 --> 02:16:14.370]  [KYLEDROSDK]: No, no, that's, it's releasing, yeah.
[02:16:14.530 --> 02:16:16.230]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wow, I wasn't expecting that to happen.
[02:16:18.090 --> 02:16:18.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: Alright.
[02:16:18.410 --> 02:16:34.570]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: That was the reason why the phone company, after, back around 1973, they started timing out the, uh, the rings, because they realized that people were doing it, or they would have, you would, you would call your friend from the phone, and then you'd talk for an hour, and after you got done, you got your money back.
[02:16:38.250 --> 02:16:38.730]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Uh-huh.
[02:16:38.950 --> 02:16:40.690]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, a 45 degree angle when you pour it.
[02:16:40.770 --> 02:16:42.250]  [EVILCORLEY]: You don't have to keep talking about the can, Kyle.
[02:16:43.570 --> 02:16:47.070]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm sorry, we're opening cans of Guinness, and, uh, you can do that on YouTube.
[02:16:47.330 --> 02:16:48.230]  [EVILCORLEY]: You can't do that on the radio.
[02:16:49.070 --> 02:16:51.430]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, uh, if you're running the radio, you can't do it.
[02:16:51.490 --> 02:16:52.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: You can do it as a guest.
[02:16:55.230 --> 02:16:56.850]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Am I still talking to you guys?
[02:16:57.050 --> 02:16:58.670]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, you are, but we're, we're pouring...
[02:16:58.670 --> 02:17:00.250]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I know you guys are having some fun.
[02:17:00.370 --> 02:17:01.130]  [KYLEDROSDK]: We're recovering.
[02:17:01.530 --> 02:17:05.470]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It's been a very, these Irish boys are, we're having some trouble here.
[02:17:05.510 --> 02:17:06.730]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's been a rough night, and...
[02:17:06.730 --> 02:17:07.890]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Technical difficulties, I'm sorry.
[02:17:07.910 --> 02:17:11.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: We've earned this, so, um, yeah, I'm not ashamed.
[02:17:12.710 --> 02:17:17.090]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Well, listen, are you guys gonna come on my, uh, to, you guys gonna go see that?
[02:17:17.930 --> 02:17:19.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, what was the date again?
[02:17:19.590 --> 02:17:20.330]  [EVILCORLEY]: May 2nd.
[02:17:20.470 --> 02:17:21.030]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: May 2nd.
[02:17:21.150 --> 02:17:22.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: And what day of the week is that?
[02:17:22.770 --> 02:17:23.130]  [GILADRAZEN]: Saturday.
[02:17:23.870 --> 02:17:25.750]  [EVILCORLEY]: And what time of the day of the week?
[02:17:26.410 --> 02:17:27.070]  [GILADRAZEN]: 2 p.m.
[02:17:27.390 --> 02:17:28.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, that's not too early.
[02:17:28.510 --> 02:17:28.770]  [EVILCORLEY]: Maybe.
[02:17:29.050 --> 02:17:31.090]  [EVILCORLEY]: Do you have to buy tickets in advance, or can you just show up?
[02:17:32.050 --> 02:17:34.590]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I would think you might see a bunch of blind people there.
[02:17:35.890 --> 02:17:37.990]  [EVILCORLEY]: Why would blind people go to a movie?
[02:17:38.530 --> 02:17:39.350]  [EVILCORLEY]: I mean...
[02:17:39.350 --> 02:17:41.410]  [ROBVINCENT]: There, it's actually an accessible showing.
[02:17:41.550 --> 02:17:43.810]  [ROBVINCENT]: There will be, uh, there will be, um...
[02:17:43.810 --> 02:17:45.170]  [GILADRAZEN]: Open captions, open audio.
[02:17:45.510 --> 02:17:45.650]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[02:17:45.850 --> 02:17:47.090]  [ROBVINCENT]: Yeah, open audio descriptions.
[02:17:47.750 --> 02:17:56.910]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: By the way, some of these glasses, seriously, some of these glasses now, Brock is supposed to be coming out with a pair of glasses that will help the blind.
[02:17:56.910 --> 02:17:59.410]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: You'll be able to fit in a movie, and it will give you a description.
[02:17:59.410 --> 02:18:00.250]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, that's awesome.
[02:18:00.370 --> 02:18:00.990]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's amazing.
[02:18:02.010 --> 02:18:03.630]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Now, the question is this.
[02:18:04.970 --> 02:18:13.730]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: What's going to be the legality when they say, well, you can't use those glasses in a theater because we have copyright law, and you say, well, it's an ADA issue.
[02:18:13.930 --> 02:18:15.470]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: That would be a question for Alex.
[02:18:16.090 --> 02:18:16.850]  [EVILCORLEY]: It would be.
[02:18:17.010 --> 02:18:17.450]  [EVILCORLEY]: It would be.
[02:18:17.730 --> 02:18:25.450]  [EVILCORLEY]: And also, uh, an opportunity for any, uh, blind copyright, um, violators that wish to make money distributing films.
[02:18:27.110 --> 02:18:28.790]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Yeah, but let me ask you a question.
[02:18:28.790 --> 02:18:30.370]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: What kind of quality are you going to get?
[02:18:30.470 --> 02:18:32.650]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: You're moving your head around, you're looking at a screen.
[02:18:32.770 --> 02:18:33.890]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Who's going to want to watch that?
[02:18:34.050 --> 02:18:35.190]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: They need a social...
[02:18:35.190 --> 02:18:47.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, blind people who are into copyright violations, who have a steady head, uh, and have, have decent, um, um, equipment that will record it in, uh, you know, video, audio, that kind of thing.
[02:18:47.690 --> 02:18:48.290]  [EVILCORLEY]: Look, we'll get there.
[02:18:48.410 --> 02:18:48.850]  [EVILCORLEY]: We'll get there.
[02:18:49.030 --> 02:18:50.890]  [EVILCORLEY]: Alex, do you want, do you have, uh, something to add?
[02:18:52.690 --> 02:19:02.310]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, I, I don't know what the answer to that would be, whether the ADA would trump copyright, but I think it probably would, since it's an accessibility issue, I would imagine.
[02:19:02.550 --> 02:19:05.510]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, my, my wife here is also nodding her head.
[02:19:05.610 --> 02:19:06.650]  [ALEXURBELS]: She thinks that, as well.
[02:19:06.730 --> 02:19:07.630]  [ALEXURBELS]: She's also a lawyer.
[02:19:08.290 --> 02:19:08.370]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[02:19:08.490 --> 02:19:09.210]  [ALEXURBELS]: But, um...
[02:19:09.210 --> 02:19:11.570]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I will tell you this, Alex, I will tell you this much.
[02:19:11.770 --> 02:19:26.070]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: What's going to be interesting, just talking about, let's say you're in an airport, you're a blind person, you're supposed to meet your sister or somebody, and it will tell you if your sister's in a crowd, and it will say, that's the person you're looking for.
[02:19:27.230 --> 02:19:29.890]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, I know it, it is crazy.
[02:19:30.150 --> 02:19:43.930]  [ALEXURBELS]: But, you know, to, to your point, though, about recording, what I can see happening is, since the, the stream of the, of the video from the device from which you're recording, namely the glasses, is going to go through your phone, right?
[02:19:43.930 --> 02:19:52.050]  [ALEXURBELS]: And your phone is going to go and connect into these various filters that are going to look for hallmarks or fingerprints of copyrighted material.
[02:19:52.050 --> 02:20:07.830]  [ALEXURBELS]: And my guess is that there's probably going to be some kind of real-time alert or detection system for the recording and potential streaming of copyrighted material, just like there is on YouTube when you're playing background music that could be copyrighted.
[02:20:08.030 --> 02:20:10.830]  [ALEXURBELS]: There'll be some kind of real-time solution for this.
[02:20:13.130 --> 02:20:15.610]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Alex, here's the question.
[02:20:15.990 --> 02:20:17.170]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I'm a blind person.
[02:20:17.390 --> 02:20:22.410]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I want to, I want that thing to describe to me what that recorded material is.
[02:20:22.510 --> 02:20:23.670]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Let's say it's a book.
[02:20:24.050 --> 02:20:27.050]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: You know, there was a big problem with Kindle.
[02:20:27.290 --> 02:20:37.290]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: You know, those, those readers, where they gave a hard time, where they would not allow, certain authors would not allow you to take their printed material and turn it into voice.
[02:20:37.290 --> 02:20:43.290]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: There was a whole issue, and I think Congress passed a law about that, that is for accessibility to have a right.
[02:20:43.490 --> 02:20:50.990]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Because the Library of Congress can record any book that they want to, as long as it's being used for people with disabilities.
[02:20:51.530 --> 02:20:52.970]  [EVILCORLEY]: Rob, you have something?
[02:20:53.170 --> 02:20:53.250]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead.
[02:20:53.670 --> 02:20:53.810]  [ROBVINCENT]: Yeah.
[02:20:53.850 --> 02:20:56.850]  [ROBVINCENT]: I used to, I used to do work with an accessible library.
[02:20:56.850 --> 02:21:10.010]  [ROBVINCENT]: And there is a, there is something called the Chaffee Amendment, which cards out an exception in copyright law for the purpose of translating something to an accessible format, like audio described content.
[02:21:10.010 --> 02:21:19.090]  [ROBVINCENT]: So you can take a book and make an audio book of it, and make that accessible for someone who has, who is blind or has other reading disabilities.
[02:21:19.090 --> 02:21:29.210]  [ROBVINCENT]: And I'm wondering if that would be applicable to, to the, to the idea of having an automatic audio description generated by something like this.
[02:21:29.330 --> 02:21:38.130]  [ROBVINCENT]: I think there's definitely potential for that to be, to be a law in the books that would protect somebody in a case about this.
[02:21:38.290 --> 02:21:48.110]  [ROBVINCENT]: But, you know, and I'm not the lawyer here, but Alex, I'm, I'm thinking that, you know, a definitive answer wouldn't be available until there's a case that decides it one way or the other.
[02:21:49.390 --> 02:21:57.230]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, that's, that's most likely because it does seem like this lives very much within that gray area of the law that would require some kind of judicial decision.
[02:21:57.630 --> 02:22:03.110]  [ALEXURBELS]: And you can't have a judicial decision without having a case, you can't have a case without having a case for controversy.
[02:22:04.010 --> 02:22:04.250]  [ALEXURBELS]: So...
[02:22:04.250 --> 02:22:15.910]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Oh, by the way, the one who said he worked at an accessibility library, was that on 20 West 40th Street, or 40 West 20th Street, the library for Andrew Haskell?
[02:22:16.670 --> 02:22:18.450]  [ROBVINCENT]: Uh, it was not the Haskell library.
[02:22:18.630 --> 02:22:26.370]  [ROBVINCENT]: I, I knew people who worked there, but, um, if this was a different library, a different nonprofit, but, um, you know, it, it was, it's the same idea.
[02:22:26.650 --> 02:22:33.070]  [ROBVINCENT]: And, um, this was a library full of, as, as the Andrew Haskell library is, which is located at the New York Public Library main branch.
[02:22:33.290 --> 02:22:41.150]  [ROBVINCENT]: Um, it's a library of copies of books done in recorded formats, audio formats, as well as braille, large print, things like that.
[02:22:41.290 --> 02:22:51.310]  [ROBVINCENT]: And the library itself is able to produce those copies without having to get permission of the copyright owner for the purposes of having an accessible copy for somebody with that accessibility need.
[02:22:52.130 --> 02:23:00.350]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Yeah, by the way, when you sign up for the, to use the website, you also have to find something that you understand you cannot give this to anybody else.
[02:23:00.490 --> 02:23:04.010]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: It's only to be used for your personal use or for a person that's blinded.
[02:23:04.090 --> 02:23:12.170]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: And you can only share it, like if you're getting material for a school or you're doing something, it can only be used for people who are, have a disability.
[02:23:12.690 --> 02:23:14.310]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: So you agree to that, actually.
[02:23:15.130 --> 02:23:19.970]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Because actually, I could download any book from the library.
[02:23:20.170 --> 02:23:25.610]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Now, what they're doing is, I could download it to my phone instead of actually physically going there and getting a cartridge.
[02:23:28.470 --> 02:23:28.990]  [EVILCORLEY]: Interesting.
[02:23:30.030 --> 02:23:31.850]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Yeah, so you basically, yeah.
[02:23:32.130 --> 02:23:34.170]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: But that's going to be very, very interesting.
[02:23:34.590 --> 02:23:38.090]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Look, I have an, cases where I could take A.I. and I could ask A.I. to describe to me my surroundings.
[02:23:42.250 --> 02:23:43.910]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: And I'll say, well, there's a chair in front of you.
[02:23:44.210 --> 02:23:47.770]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Or I could say to it, what color search or has any stains on it?
[02:23:47.890 --> 02:23:48.870]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: It'll actually tell me that.
[02:23:49.090 --> 02:23:54.150]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Or I could say, tell me as I'm walking, let me know when I hit a Starbucks.
[02:23:56.970 --> 02:23:58.790]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, those are all really useful things.
[02:23:58.910 --> 02:24:01.910]  [EVILCORLEY]: And I hope to see more people get access to them.
[02:24:03.050 --> 02:24:03.670]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Well, yeah.
[02:24:03.890 --> 02:24:05.790]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: The only problem is that it divides.
[02:24:06.050 --> 02:24:08.270]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: If you have the money, right now you can get it.
[02:24:08.310 --> 02:24:12.230]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: If you don't have the money, you know, then those people are out.
[02:24:12.230 --> 02:24:15.610]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: It's a sad thing because there's a divide between the haves and have-nots.
[02:24:15.730 --> 02:24:16.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: No, it has to be a priority.
[02:24:17.130 --> 02:24:27.730]  [EVILCORLEY]: For instance, in Canada, do you know every TV station has a described video version where basically you're watching a program and it says, Mary walks over and picks up the book off the shelf.
[02:24:27.930 --> 02:24:29.290]  [EVILCORLEY]: And then you hear her talk.
[02:24:29.490 --> 02:24:33.910]  [EVILCORLEY]: So you can watch a TV program and have a narrator describe what's actually going on.
[02:24:33.990 --> 02:24:35.490]  [EVILCORLEY]: Do we have anything like that in this country?
[02:24:35.650 --> 02:24:38.450]  [EVILCORLEY]: Like, that's available to any cable subscriber?
[02:24:40.470 --> 02:24:41.530]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Yeah, that's what they call it.
[02:24:41.770 --> 02:24:43.670]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: SAP, I think it's called.
[02:24:43.890 --> 02:24:44.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, how does that work?
[02:24:46.150 --> 02:24:49.170]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: It used to be, that used to be in the analog days.
[02:24:49.170 --> 02:24:51.250]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: It would be a subcarrier on the FM carrier.
[02:24:51.430 --> 02:24:56.730]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: You would have like you have with the special, you know, when you had the pilot tone, 19 kilohertz.
[02:24:57.010 --> 02:25:00.870]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: You had some other channels or some other carriers for meeting services.
[02:25:01.210 --> 02:25:01.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: Right, right.
[02:25:01.410 --> 02:25:14.890]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: One or two stations like WNYD would run a, would broadcast, I think, at 48 kilohertz, and they had a receiver that would pick it up and then you could listen to the news read to you and stuff like that.
[02:25:15.370 --> 02:25:16.650]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, that's just the news.
[02:25:16.770 --> 02:25:23.450]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm talking about actual like network TV programming in described video, which, you know, is very common in Canada, but not so much here.
[02:25:23.550 --> 02:25:25.950]  [EVILCORLEY]: And I think it really would be useful to many people.
[02:25:26.570 --> 02:25:35.790]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I think they're supposed to do it, but a lot of the stations are not following the FCC requirements because under the communications FCC, they require you to do it.
[02:25:35.950 --> 02:25:38.310]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: But I don't think a lot of the radio stations even bother.
[02:25:38.450 --> 02:25:42.930]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: They feel like, oh, if we get sued, we get sued, or they feel there's not enough population, you know?
[02:25:43.450 --> 02:25:44.570]  [EVILCORLEY]: Got to speak louder then.
[02:25:44.770 --> 02:25:47.330]  [EVILCORLEY]: I got to, you know, make them know people are out there.
[02:25:47.470 --> 02:25:57.830]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Yeah, but no, seriously, you know, there's a lot of, there's a lot of interest, but yeah, I was really, when you had talking about the phone stuff, I mean, I can tell you, I did so much.
[02:25:58.190 --> 02:26:05.810]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: A couple of weeks ago, when you were talking about the old crossbar one, the crossbar fives, it's no longer interesting.
[02:26:05.950 --> 02:26:10.230]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Now everything is, well, you make a phone call, you don't even know what you're talking to.
[02:26:10.270 --> 02:26:12.750]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: You don't hear any more carrier, you don't hear any noise.
[02:26:12.750 --> 02:26:16.330]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Yeah, very much so.
[02:26:16.590 --> 02:26:17.210]  [EVILCORLEY]: Rob, go ahead.
[02:26:17.690 --> 02:26:26.770]  [ROBVINCENT]: Yeah, Netflix, back in 2015, and I believe I mentioned it on this program, Netflix put out a show about Daredevil, who's a superhero who's blind.
[02:26:27.270 --> 02:26:32.450]  [ROBVINCENT]: And the show did not have the descriptive audio track when it first went out.
[02:26:32.570 --> 02:26:38.470]  [ROBVINCENT]: And there was kind of an outcry because, you know, the blind community might enjoy a show about a superhero who's blind.
[02:26:38.610 --> 02:26:39.670]  [ROBVINCENT]: So they added it.
[02:26:39.810 --> 02:26:43.310]  [ROBVINCENT]: And you can still get it if you watch the Daredevil show on Netflix.
[02:26:43.590 --> 02:26:52.550]  [ROBVINCENT]: And I don't know how widespread it is on other shows, but there is the ability for streamers to have the audio description track on their programming.
[02:26:53.010 --> 02:27:03.810]  [ROBVINCENT]: I think unlike things like closed captions for those with hearing impairments, which are very common, so much TV is subtitled now, and you can turn it on or off.
[02:27:03.950 --> 02:27:10.470]  [ROBVINCENT]: I don't think audio cap description tracks are anywhere near as widespread or available in this country.
[02:27:10.630 --> 02:27:24.010]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, in the U.K., they not only have closed caption, they have open caption, which is basically somebody standing in a corner of your screen doing sign language, which, you know, is really weird to see the first time you see it, but you get very used to it.
[02:27:24.110 --> 02:27:26.370]  [EVILCORLEY]: And that happens with newscasts and other programs.
[02:27:28.290 --> 02:27:35.610]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Well, the U.K. in some ways is pretty, is pretty open to the blind, you know, pretty open to the blind.
[02:27:35.850 --> 02:27:40.390]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I think, I think they allow you, they let seeing eye talking to almost everywhere.
[02:27:40.710 --> 02:27:42.450]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: People are pretty cool about it.
[02:27:42.650 --> 02:27:44.770]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: In the U.S., you have it.
[02:27:44.890 --> 02:27:50.610]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Now, I don't want to get into politics too much, but in New York, now you're starting to have issues.
[02:27:50.950 --> 02:27:59.230]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Since our mayor came in the mayor, because some people are saying, well, my re-collusion doesn't allow me to have a dog in a, in a, in a taxi.
[02:28:00.870 --> 02:28:01.450]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh-huh.
[02:28:02.430 --> 02:28:02.870]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[02:28:02.930 --> 02:28:03.970]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't know anything about that.
[02:28:05.090 --> 02:28:06.990]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: No, there's accessibility rights.
[02:28:07.130 --> 02:28:09.330]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Well, let's say you're getting into a, you're over in a lift.
[02:28:09.950 --> 02:28:21.570]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Some drivers who have that, come from that area, had that tendency to believe in a, in Sharia law, they think it's, they think it's against their religion to have an animal in their car.
[02:28:22.070 --> 02:28:22.510]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[02:28:22.510 --> 02:28:24.290]  [EVILCORLEY]: I've never heard this issue brought up before.
[02:28:24.650 --> 02:28:30.130]  [EVILCORLEY]: But, uh, I'll, uh, I'll, I'll look for news stories about it or any other, um, uh, descriptions.
[02:28:30.510 --> 02:28:36.630]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Well, you'll see how many people have been denied, uh, been denied, uh, right because they have a service animal.
[02:28:36.870 --> 02:28:38.430]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: It's a big, big problem.
[02:28:38.970 --> 02:28:43.170]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Even the Justice Department went after lifting over, started suing them left and right.
[02:28:43.450 --> 02:28:51.830]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, well, even the Justice Department is a phrase that doesn't mean that much anymore, more, but, uh, it's still, it could be an interesting, interesting, uh, subject.
[02:28:52.070 --> 02:28:53.510]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, Alex, looks like you have something to contribute.
[02:28:54.410 --> 02:29:03.810]  [ALEXURBELS]: Oh, I, I can attest that I've been passed over numerous times by Ubers who just were, the drivers just did not want to have a dog in the car.
[02:29:04.530 --> 02:29:04.890]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[02:29:04.950 --> 02:29:06.670]  [EVILCORLEY]: But I don't know if you can blame that on the mayor.
[02:29:06.890 --> 02:29:08.330]  [EVILCORLEY]: That just seems a little like a stretch.
[02:29:08.330 --> 02:29:10.430]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Well, no, I'll tell you why, because...
[02:29:10.430 --> 02:29:11.110]  [ALEXURBELS]: I didn't say it on the mayor.
[02:29:11.170 --> 02:29:12.390]  [ALEXURBELS]: I'm just saying that that's a fact.
[02:29:13.250 --> 02:29:13.390]  [EVILCORLEY]: Right.
[02:29:13.570 --> 02:29:17.130]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, I mean, yeah, people have prejudices against dogs.
[02:29:17.190 --> 02:29:18.250]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm aware of that.
[02:29:18.590 --> 02:29:23.450]  [EVILCORLEY]: I just don't know if, if Mamdani is the one responsible for an uptick in that.
[02:29:23.830 --> 02:29:26.570]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: No, no, what Mamdani, what I'm saying is this.
[02:29:27.030 --> 02:29:30.490]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Due to his religion, the drivers are now getting more pushy.
[02:29:30.570 --> 02:29:35.670]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: They say, I have a right to tell you not, I don't want my service, I don't want your dog in my car.
[02:29:36.470 --> 02:29:41.910]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: A lot of times people will say it's against their religion, which they can't force that.
[02:29:42.170 --> 02:29:43.750]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: They have to pick anybody up.
[02:29:44.290 --> 02:29:46.370]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: It's a conveyance, a public conveyance.
[02:29:46.510 --> 02:29:48.330]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: So it's public transportation.
[02:29:48.790 --> 02:29:53.070]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: And they can't say, well, you can't come into the car because you have a service animal.
[02:29:53.310 --> 02:29:56.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: Look, if they're, if they're violating the terms, you can report them.
[02:29:56.690 --> 02:30:03.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: There are numbers, you know, obviously, um, uh, that's not something that, you know, should be tolerated if that's the case.
[02:30:04.350 --> 02:30:13.050]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: But you've got to understand, if the city is not gung-ho behind it because someone is telling them to back off, then you're not going to just...
[02:30:13.050 --> 02:30:17.330]  [EVILCORLEY]: Right, that's the part, that's the part I would need more information on to believe.
[02:30:18.330 --> 02:30:21.830]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Well, just Google it, you'll see it.
[02:30:22.050 --> 02:30:26.630]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, that's really not the... All right, I'll Google it, but that's not the definitive word.
[02:30:27.150 --> 02:30:28.950]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Well, I'm just telling you a lot of little issues.
[02:30:28.950 --> 02:30:29.130]  [EVILCORLEY]: Right.
[02:30:29.390 --> 02:30:29.550]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: See?
[02:30:29.910 --> 02:30:32.590]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: But I'll tell you what, I love that conversation.
[02:30:32.870 --> 02:30:36.910]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: You guys should have more conversations about the old telephone history.
[02:30:37.070 --> 02:30:40.570]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Are you going to have any, uh, lectures on that at the conference?
[02:30:40.750 --> 02:30:41.950]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh my God, we're going to have a ton.
[02:30:42.150 --> 02:30:42.750]  [EVILCORLEY]: We really are.
[02:30:42.890 --> 02:30:44.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's, it's going to be pretty amazing.
[02:30:44.770 --> 02:30:49.390]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, you're talking about HOPE conference, August 14th through 16th at the New Yorker Hotel.
[02:30:50.030 --> 02:30:52.850]  [EVILCORLEY]: And, uh, yeah, it's, um, it's going to be fun.
[02:30:52.930 --> 02:30:53.770]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Can I ask you how much the tickets are?
[02:30:54.870 --> 02:30:55.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: Sorry?
[02:30:55.890 --> 02:30:57.690]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Can I ask you how much the tickets are?
[02:30:58.190 --> 02:31:00.310]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, yeah, on YouTube we can say.
[02:31:00.510 --> 02:31:02.010]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's, uh, $250 for the weekend.
[02:31:03.550 --> 02:31:06.530]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Oh, you can't say it on the, uh...
[02:31:06.530 --> 02:31:12.870]  [EVILCORLEY]: No, on non-commercial radio, you can't give out prices for, uh, events, or items, or things like that.
[02:31:14.170 --> 02:31:15.330]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Oh, I didn't know that.
[02:31:15.490 --> 02:31:15.990]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yep, it's true.
[02:31:17.010 --> 02:31:18.990]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: But the FCC, that's kind of ridiculous.
[02:31:19.390 --> 02:31:21.530]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: You're only giving information at the public.
[02:31:22.050 --> 02:31:30.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, it can be considered promotion, you don't want to, uh, you know, seem like you're, you're selling something, or encouraging people to buy something.
[02:31:30.850 --> 02:31:33.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, I understand it, and that's always been the case.
[02:31:34.130 --> 02:31:39.810]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: You guys have any idea between that and the room, what it would cost for three days, roughly?
[02:31:40.530 --> 02:31:41.450]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, sorry, say again?
[02:31:41.630 --> 02:31:42.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: The rooms.
[02:31:42.270 --> 02:31:42.670]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, rooms?
[02:31:42.790 --> 02:31:48.030]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Without food, for the three days, you'd be there Friday night, Saturday night.
[02:31:48.710 --> 02:31:52.030]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Maybe you stay Sunday night or sleep or leave Sunday night.
[02:31:52.230 --> 02:31:52.370]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Right.
[02:31:52.490 --> 02:31:56.450]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Do you have any idea how much the package is between the ticket and a room?
[02:31:56.570 --> 02:31:58.830]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, they're not, they're not, they're not the same package.
[02:31:58.830 --> 02:32:00.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: Like, you're going through the hotel for the rooms.
[02:32:00.670 --> 02:32:06.430]  [EVILCORLEY]: I think I saw $199 as the rate for, uh, for a room in Midtown Manhattan.
[02:32:06.430 --> 02:32:07.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's pretty cheap.
[02:32:07.170 --> 02:32:15.570]  [EVILCORLEY]: Um, so, I'm not sure if that's still the rate, but it's, it's, it's one of the rates that was, uh, passed around, and then, and then ticket price.
[02:32:16.610 --> 02:32:21.950]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: So, you figure for under a thousand, you can, about a thousand dollars will cover a three-day weekend.
[02:32:22.210 --> 02:32:22.930]  [EVILCORLEY]: It should, yeah.
[02:32:23.250 --> 02:32:24.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: I can see that.
[02:32:24.650 --> 02:32:25.630]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: That's not too bad.
[02:32:25.810 --> 02:32:26.350]  [EVILCORLEY]: No, it's not.
[02:32:27.470 --> 02:32:29.490]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Well, I wish you guys have good luck with that.
[02:32:29.730 --> 02:32:30.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, I hope so, too.
[02:32:30.750 --> 02:32:38.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: I mean, we didn't think for, you know, we had a chance of getting back to Manhattan, and, uh, it's kind of a miracle that we're pulling this off, so, hopefully it works.
[02:32:39.070 --> 02:32:48.690]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: All right, I'm going to let you guys go, but I just wanted to bring it up with the glasses and about the, uh, the, the old, uh, you know, the old black boxes.
[02:32:49.270 --> 02:32:50.650]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Man, that was a cool thing.
[02:32:50.830 --> 02:32:51.110]  [EVILCORLEY]: Mm-hmm.
[02:32:51.290 --> 02:32:51.670]  [EVILCORLEY]: Absolutely.
[02:32:52.350 --> 02:32:58.430]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, we're going to go down memory lane quite a bit and, and, uh, hopefully play some recordings and, and maybe emulate these things.
[02:32:59.090 --> 02:33:03.390]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Hey, you got to have some recordings of 2600 and all those 7, 900, you know?
[02:33:03.530 --> 02:33:03.650]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[02:33:04.690 --> 02:33:06.170]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Okay, have a great evening, guys.
[02:33:06.170 --> 02:33:06.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right, you too.
[02:33:06.770 --> 02:33:07.110]  [EVILCORLEY]: Take care.
[02:33:07.290 --> 02:33:07.790]  [EVILCORLEY]: Thanks, Howard.
[02:33:08.150 --> 02:33:08.370]  [EVILCORLEY]: Bye.
[02:33:10.310 --> 02:33:12.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right, are we done, or do you want to try one more call?
[02:33:13.650 --> 02:33:19.630]  [ROBVINCENT]: Uh, I'm, I'm about ready to, uh, pull up sticks and, uh, roll up the scenery for another night.
[02:33:19.850 --> 02:33:22.450]  [ROBVINCENT]: Uh, you know, after this week and last week, we were on for two hours.
[02:33:22.970 --> 02:33:24.070]  [ROBVINCENT]: Um, yeah.
[02:33:24.310 --> 02:33:25.670]  [EVILCORLEY]: Sound kind of cranky there, Rob.
[02:33:26.310 --> 02:33:28.350]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Is it, is it building up?
[02:33:28.450 --> 02:33:29.090]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Is it cumulative?
[02:33:29.410 --> 02:33:30.250]  [KYLEDROSDK]: What's, what's, what's up?
[02:33:30.330 --> 02:33:31.190]  [KYLEDROSDK]: What's going on with you?
[02:33:31.230 --> 02:33:32.530]  [KYLEDROSDK]: A little, a little bit cumulative.
[02:33:32.530 --> 02:33:34.010]  [EVILCORLEY]: There's too much, uh, time with us.
[02:33:34.090 --> 02:33:35.330]  [KYLEDROSDK]: We need to check in with Rob here.
[02:33:35.450 --> 02:33:36.630]  [EVILCORLEY]: I thought you enjoyed our company.
[02:33:36.810 --> 02:33:37.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, okay, fine.
[02:33:38.130 --> 02:33:41.210]  [EVILCORLEY]: We're getting sick of each other, and I'm sure our listeners are getting sick of us as well.
[02:33:41.830 --> 02:33:47.890]  [ROBVINCENT]: Um, but this, this has been a fun episode, and thanks to everyone for bearing with us while we, uh, figured stuff out, uh, at the beginning here.
[02:33:47.890 --> 02:33:49.130]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, you could say that again.
[02:33:49.290 --> 02:33:51.970]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I mean, really, thank you for bearing with us.
[02:33:52.210 --> 02:33:56.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, without, without Kyle figuring out all these, uh, buttons and knobs and things.
[02:33:56.150 --> 02:33:57.790]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Oh, you're giving me too much credit, but thank you.
[02:33:58.130 --> 02:34:00.590]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, you literally did that, and I was sitting here doing nothing.
[02:34:02.850 --> 02:34:06.350]  [EVILCORLEY]: And, and they're out there in different places, so they're not, they're not helping.
[02:34:07.410 --> 02:34:08.670]  [KYLEDROSDK]: What were you going to say, Gila?
[02:34:08.670 --> 02:34:09.950]  [GILADRAZEN]: Sorry, our arms are not long enough to help.
[02:34:10.130 --> 02:34:10.470]  [EVILCORLEY]: I know.
[02:34:12.670 --> 02:34:28.630]  [GILADRAZEN]: Um, as a quick note, um, I was looking while the last caller was talking about it, and Tim in Connecticut asks, yes, there do appear to be more rooms available at the special HOPE rate, which includes local, long distance, and international calling.
[02:34:28.870 --> 02:34:29.830]  [EVILCORLEY]: Didn't mention that.
[02:34:29.910 --> 02:34:34.950]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yes, free phone calls to anywhere in the world from your hotel room.
[02:34:35.270 --> 02:34:38.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: I didn't think that was a thing, but apparently it's a thing at the New Yorker Hotel.
[02:34:38.630 --> 02:34:45.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: Now, I don't know if that applies to, like, things like Inmarsat and, and, you know, the super expensive phone call.
[02:34:45.670 --> 02:34:48.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm sure it doesn't apply to 900 numbers if they still exist.
[02:34:48.910 --> 02:34:50.350]  [EVILCORLEY]: Do 900 numbers still exist?
[02:34:50.770 --> 02:34:51.550]  [EVILCORLEY]: You remember those, right?
[02:34:52.070 --> 02:34:53.630]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Why do you ask me?
[02:34:53.890 --> 02:34:54.710]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I'm asking everybody.
[02:34:54.710 --> 02:34:56.550]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Like, I call 900 numbers all the time.
[02:34:57.370 --> 02:34:58.670]  [EVILCORLEY]: But do they still exist?
[02:34:58.810 --> 02:35:00.210]  [EVILCORLEY]: Do people still call sex lines?
[02:35:00.250 --> 02:35:01.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: Is that a thing?
[02:35:01.950 --> 02:35:03.650]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, $5 a minute.
[02:35:03.770 --> 02:35:04.230]  [EVILCORLEY]: Remember that?
[02:35:05.490 --> 02:35:06.650]  [EVILCORLEY]: Does anybody remember that?
[02:35:06.710 --> 02:35:07.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: Am I crazy?
[02:35:07.190 --> 02:35:07.570]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, yeah.
[02:35:07.730 --> 02:35:08.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, no.
[02:35:09.310 --> 02:35:13.190]  [GILADRAZEN]: $5 for the first two minutes, 25 cents each additional minute, and...
[02:35:13.190 --> 02:35:14.650]  [ROBVINCENT]: Ask your parents' permission before dialing.
[02:35:14.650 --> 02:35:21.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: The 970 exchange locally, 976 with a Dial-It service, 540 and 550.
[02:35:22.170 --> 02:35:23.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: What happened to all these exchanges?
[02:35:23.730 --> 02:35:26.710]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't dare call them, but I'd like to know.
[02:35:30.650 --> 02:35:35.550]  [GILADRAZEN]: The, I found something from the FTC about complying with the 900 number rule.
[02:35:35.650 --> 02:35:36.470]  [GILADRAZEN]: It's from 1992.
[02:35:36.470 --> 02:35:37.850]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, you see, that's the thing.
[02:35:37.990 --> 02:35:38.390]  [EVILCORLEY]: 1992.
[02:35:38.490 --> 02:35:39.390]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's not updated.
[02:35:43.390 --> 02:35:44.970]  [EVILCORLEY]: Rebel, this is where you can help us.
[02:35:45.050 --> 02:35:50.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: Rebel, why don't you call a bunch of 540 and 900 numbers and whatnot and get back to us on that.
[02:35:53.260 --> 02:36:00.900]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I'm thinking of this, this is like a one-person musical of, like, being conflicted about calling old numbers.
[02:36:01.980 --> 02:36:03.920]  [KYLEDROSDK]: What does it all become?
[02:36:05.040 --> 02:36:09.740]  [KYLEDROSDK]: There's at least, like, two or three, like, angsty solos in there.
[02:36:11.760 --> 02:36:22.640]  [KYLEDROSDK]: But, yeah, it's a real, like, walk down memory lane because so many of those things have become, like, just passe or totally forgotten.
[02:36:23.000 --> 02:36:25.440]  [KYLEDROSDK]: People don't even really understand that they're still there.
[02:36:25.980 --> 02:36:29.320]  [KYLEDROSDK]: People that run them don't even know that they're still there in many cases.
[02:36:29.640 --> 02:36:38.740]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know what's cool is getting really old phone books from, say, the 1960s or 1970s and seeing if anyone in there still has the same phone number.
[02:36:38.920 --> 02:36:40.680]  [EVILCORLEY]: You might find your grandparents in there.
[02:36:40.880 --> 02:36:42.340]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, it's really incredible.
[02:36:43.200 --> 02:36:45.700]  [EVILCORLEY]: They had so much, so much knowledge.
[02:36:45.960 --> 02:36:47.980]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Are there phone books on auction sites?
[02:36:48.180 --> 02:36:49.440]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Can you just, you could just, like...
[02:36:49.440 --> 02:36:51.080]  [EVILCORLEY]: You can buy phone books on eBay.
[02:36:51.440 --> 02:36:51.960]  [EVILCORLEY]: You can buy them.
[02:36:51.960 --> 02:36:53.680]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Wait, how much is an old phone book?
[02:36:53.800 --> 02:36:55.780]  [EVILCORLEY]: It depends on what the person thinks they're worth.
[02:36:55.900 --> 02:36:58.420]  [EVILCORLEY]: It could be a dollar or it could be $50.
[02:36:58.680 --> 02:36:59.320]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wait, wait, wait, wait.
[02:36:59.440 --> 02:37:01.220]  [EVILCORLEY]: What makes a pricey...
[02:37:01.220 --> 02:37:02.360]  [GILADRAZEN]: Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
[02:37:02.500 --> 02:37:05.440]  [EVILCORLEY]: A Manhattan phone book is worth more than an Iowa City phone book.
[02:37:05.440 --> 02:37:06.880]  [KYLEDROSDK]: How about how do you rate them?
[02:37:07.060 --> 02:37:08.400]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Is this, like, condition?
[02:37:09.360 --> 02:37:09.760]  [GILADRAZEN]: Hi.
[02:37:10.020 --> 02:37:10.580]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, hi.
[02:37:10.760 --> 02:37:11.240]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Hey, what's up?
[02:37:11.340 --> 02:37:12.640]  [GILADRAZEN]: Guys, this is riveting.
[02:37:12.840 --> 02:37:13.620]  [GILADRAZEN]: It really is.
[02:37:13.860 --> 02:37:14.980]  [EVILCORLEY]: You sound cranky, too.
[02:37:17.920 --> 02:37:19.420]  [GILADRAZEN]: I'm picking it up by association.
[02:37:21.960 --> 02:37:22.780]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Are we done?
[02:37:23.020 --> 02:37:23.520]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Are we good?
[02:37:23.620 --> 02:37:25.040]  [EVILCORLEY]: We don't know how to disconnect, all right?
[02:37:25.160 --> 02:37:25.380]  [EVILCORLEY]: Are we good?
[02:37:25.800 --> 02:37:27.100]  [EVILCORLEY]: You made me say it.
[02:37:27.200 --> 02:37:28.240]  [EVILCORLEY]: We don't know how to disconnect.
[02:37:29.980 --> 02:37:30.880]  [EVILCORLEY]: We're stuck here.
[02:37:30.940 --> 02:37:33.220]  [EVILCORLEY]: We're all stuck here, so we might as well make the best of it.
[02:37:33.660 --> 02:37:34.780]  [ROBVINCENT]: This is our life now.
[02:37:35.740 --> 02:37:36.480]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's right.
[02:37:36.680 --> 02:37:37.820]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's the right attitude, Rob.
[02:37:38.940 --> 02:37:40.200]  [KYLEDROSDK]: You're stuck with us.
[02:37:40.960 --> 02:37:44.080]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'll get the first watch, you pick up at midnight.
[02:37:44.300 --> 02:37:48.100]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Until I finish my drink, I will not click this mouse.
[02:37:49.160 --> 02:37:50.780]  [EVILCORLEY]: And Alex, we haven't forgotten about you.
[02:37:52.420 --> 02:37:53.800]  [ALEXURBELS]: I'm just waiting here.
[02:37:53.880 --> 02:37:55.020]  [ALEXURBELS]: I need a drink after this.
[02:37:56.480 --> 02:38:02.940]  [ALEXURBELS]: What's amazing to me is people seem to love this show with all of its faults and glitches and things more than the normal shows.
[02:38:03.040 --> 02:38:04.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: Then we have to have more faults and glitches.
[02:38:05.500 --> 02:38:05.960]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[02:38:06.020 --> 02:38:06.840]  [EVILCORLEY]: The people have spoken.
[02:38:07.260 --> 02:38:07.980]  [ALEXURBELS]: You too.
[02:38:08.240 --> 02:38:08.460]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[02:38:08.880 --> 02:38:11.220]  [KYLEDROSDK]: We're making pasta later.
[02:38:11.220 --> 02:38:12.240]  [KYLEDROSDK]: That's our plans.
[02:38:12.520 --> 02:38:12.960]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's right.
[02:38:13.460 --> 02:38:15.080]  [KYLEDROSDK]: We're going to be making like 2 a.m. pasta.
[02:38:15.620 --> 02:38:16.600]  [EVILCORLEY]: Like spicy pasta.
[02:38:16.720 --> 02:38:20.780]  [KYLEDROSDK]: With like a hell of a lot of like chili flakes and garlic.
[02:38:20.780 --> 02:38:21.440]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Like...
[02:38:21.440 --> 02:38:21.580]  [EVILCORLEY]: Mm-hmm.
[02:38:22.280 --> 02:38:22.500]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[02:38:22.620 --> 02:38:23.580]  [GILADRAZEN]: That sounds really good.
[02:38:23.760 --> 02:38:23.900]  [GILADRAZEN]: Yeah.
[02:38:24.480 --> 02:38:25.580]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Some like lemon.
[02:38:25.840 --> 02:38:26.860]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Some lemon zest.
[02:38:27.180 --> 02:38:27.840]  [EVILCORLEY]: Lemon zest.
[02:38:28.500 --> 02:38:29.440]  [EVILCORLEY]: Some parsley.
[02:38:29.740 --> 02:38:29.820]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[02:38:29.860 --> 02:38:31.080]  [EVILCORLEY]: The parsley really makes a difference.
[02:38:31.280 --> 02:38:31.460]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[02:38:33.400 --> 02:38:34.020]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[02:38:34.100 --> 02:38:34.860]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, I guess...
[02:38:34.860 --> 02:38:35.520]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It's been fun.
[02:38:35.600 --> 02:38:35.760]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[02:38:35.840 --> 02:38:36.700]  [EVILCORLEY]: It has been fun.
[02:38:36.800 --> 02:38:37.420]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's been awesome.
[02:38:37.920 --> 02:38:43.380]  [EVILCORLEY]: Hopefully, we've added something to the library of Off The Hooks.
[02:38:43.380 --> 02:38:51.640]  [EVILCORLEY]: And yes, we're going to have the entire episode of this YouTube Overtime available on 2600.com.
[02:38:51.800 --> 02:38:52.340]  [EVILCORLEY]: Not on YouTube.
[02:38:52.540 --> 02:38:54.860]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, if you're listening to this on YouTube, you've missed something.
[02:38:55.260 --> 02:38:58.180]  [EVILCORLEY]: Because there was that whole point where we weren't on YouTube.
[02:38:58.800 --> 02:39:00.220]  [EVILCORLEY]: And yet, we were still talking.
[02:39:00.540 --> 02:39:01.460]  [KYLEDROSDK]: That was so real.
[02:39:01.940 --> 02:39:07.200]  [ALEXURBELS]: Won't this version also have the audio that was supposed to be on the radio?
[02:39:07.200 --> 02:39:08.080]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, okay.
[02:39:08.380 --> 02:39:10.620]  [EVILCORLEY]: The radio show is a different file.
[02:39:11.060 --> 02:39:13.160]  [EVILCORLEY]: And there will be two files, I believe.
[02:39:13.800 --> 02:39:15.860]  [EVILCORLEY]: Juintz's is probably busy working on that already.
[02:39:16.540 --> 02:39:20.380]  [EVILCORLEY]: And we'll have what we did and what went out over the air.
[02:39:20.480 --> 02:39:21.780]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm not sure how different that is.
[02:39:22.160 --> 02:39:27.960]  [EVILCORLEY]: And all it really is, is a section where somebody at the station realizes that we're no longer there.
[02:39:28.140 --> 02:39:29.780]  [EVILCORLEY]: And you hear music fade up.
[02:39:30.040 --> 02:39:31.660]  [EVILCORLEY]: And then music fades down.
[02:39:31.780 --> 02:39:32.380]  [EVILCORLEY]: And we come back.
[02:39:32.520 --> 02:39:33.760]  [EVILCORLEY]: And that's pretty much it.
[02:39:33.760 --> 02:39:38.600]  [EVILCORLEY]: And if that's the kind of thing you're into, then you'll want to hear that particular excerpt.
[02:39:39.320 --> 02:39:43.800]  [EVILCORLEY]: And otherwise, just listen to the radio show as it's intended to be.
[02:39:45.460 --> 02:39:48.600]  [ALEXURBELS]: Well, could there be a version of the file that has the missing audio?
[02:39:48.880 --> 02:39:49.780]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's the question.
[02:39:50.500 --> 02:39:51.580]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yes, that's what I just said.
[02:39:51.740 --> 02:39:55.940]  [EVILCORLEY]: The file that we are putting up is going to have the missing audio.
[02:39:55.960 --> 02:39:56.520]  [ALEXURBELS]: Oh, I see.
[02:39:56.760 --> 02:39:58.520]  [EVILCORLEY]: Because it's recorded locally.
[02:39:58.520 --> 02:40:05.320]  [KYLEDROSDK]: What you might get from WBAI's archive would be the sort of authentic, I guess, what went out.
[02:40:05.420 --> 02:40:07.520]  [EVILCORLEY]: And we're going to have that excerpt.
[02:40:07.600 --> 02:40:11.140]  [EVILCORLEY]: We will have that excerpt as well, as is our routine when we do this.
[02:40:12.300 --> 02:40:12.740]  [ALEXURBELS]: Okay.
[02:40:13.000 --> 02:40:13.360]  [ALEXURBELS]: All right.
[02:40:13.560 --> 02:40:14.640]  [ALEXURBELS]: Well, that's exciting.
[02:40:14.840 --> 02:40:15.320]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, it is.
[02:40:15.500 --> 02:40:16.660]  [KYLEDROSDK]: We'll be back in action.
[02:40:16.660 --> 02:40:21.860]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And we'll have even more to say if you hack something in the intervening week.
[02:40:22.600 --> 02:40:25.200]  [KYLEDROSDK]: But until that time...
[02:40:25.200 --> 02:40:25.900]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yes.
[02:40:26.140 --> 02:40:29.860]  [EVILCORLEY]: And our email address, oth@2600.com.
[02:40:29.940 --> 02:40:31.240]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's 2600.com.
[02:40:31.360 --> 02:40:31.980]  [EVILCORLEY]: We hope to hear from you.
[02:40:32.620 --> 02:40:35.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: And please get your HOPE tickets if you haven't already.
[02:40:35.940 --> 02:40:38.000]  [EVILCORLEY]: Book those rooms while they're still available.
[02:40:38.480 --> 02:40:40.300]  [EVILCORLEY]: Hope.net has all the info.
[02:40:40.480 --> 02:40:41.780]  [EVILCORLEY]: And we're looking for volunteers, too.
[02:40:41.780 --> 02:40:49.040]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, be sure to check out the volunteer section and help out in whatever way you can, because that's what makes it all possible.
[02:40:49.220 --> 02:40:49.820]  [KYLEDROSDK]: But be specific.
[02:40:50.780 --> 02:40:51.960]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, and also...
[02:40:51.960 --> 02:40:52.560]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And enthusiastic.
[02:40:53.300 --> 02:40:54.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: We're looking for more speakers.
[02:40:54.560 --> 02:40:55.880]  [EVILCORLEY]: We have a bunch already.
[02:40:56.100 --> 02:41:02.080]  [EVILCORLEY]: But if you have a talk you want to give, go to the speaker section of the website.
[02:41:02.080 --> 02:41:07.140]  [EVILCORLEY]: And we have our early submissions that will be going until the end of April.
[02:41:07.700 --> 02:41:11.500]  [EVILCORLEY]: We will be accepting talks after that, but the early submissions get priority.
[02:41:11.500 --> 02:41:16.580]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, if you have something that you wish to share, submit it by then, by the end of April.
[02:41:17.440 --> 02:41:24.980]  [ROBVINCENT]: Also, talking about the end of April, we are still giving a portion of our ticket sales to the EFF for the rest of the month.
[02:41:25.160 --> 02:41:25.620]  [EVILCORLEY]: 10%.
[02:41:26.540 --> 02:41:27.020]  [ROBVINCENT]: 10%.
[02:41:27.020 --> 02:41:27.180]  [ROBVINCENT]: Yes.
[02:41:27.740 --> 02:41:30.360]  [ROBVINCENT]: And that's only happening until the end of April as well.
[02:41:30.420 --> 02:41:39.740]  [ROBVINCENT]: So, if you want your ticket price to count for a little something extra to defend digital rights, get your ticket orders in this month.
[02:41:40.260 --> 02:41:40.900]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's right.
[02:41:40.900 --> 02:41:44.940]  [EVILCORLEY]: And EFF will be at the conference, giving various talks and things, as always.
[02:41:45.520 --> 02:41:47.320]  [EVILCORLEY]: And it's going to be a blast.
[02:41:47.480 --> 02:41:47.940]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's going to be fun.
[02:41:48.120 --> 02:41:49.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: August 14th through 16th.
[02:41:49.860 --> 02:41:50.340]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[02:41:50.420 --> 02:41:53.460]  [EVILCORLEY]: We're out of energy, out of time, out of patience.
[02:41:53.760 --> 02:41:55.220]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm sure everybody else is as well.
[02:41:55.660 --> 02:41:56.720]  [EVILCORLEY]: We'll see you next week.
[02:41:58.700 --> 02:42:00.900]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Write to us at OTH.at...
[02:42:02.000 --> 02:42:03.160]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Try that again, Kyle.
[02:42:03.360 --> 02:42:07.380]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Write to us at oth@2600.com.
[02:42:07.380 --> 02:42:10.180]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, I gave a serious version of that.
[02:42:10.180 --> 02:42:12.840]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And 2600.com for more details.
[02:42:13.320 --> 02:42:13.580]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yes.
[02:42:14.260 --> 02:42:15.120]  [EVILCORLEY]: Good night, everyone.