Off The Hook - 2026-07-15

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[00:47.420 --> 00:52.020]  [BIG_AUD_DY]: The telephone keeps ringing, so I ripped it off the wall.
[00:52.920 --> 00:54.920]  [BIG_AUD_DY]: I cut myself while shaving.
[00:55.660 --> 00:57.500]  [BIG_AUD_DY]: Now I can't make a cough.
[00:58.100 --> 01:00.240]  [BIG_AUD_DY]: It couldn't get much worse.
[01:00.860 --> 01:02.780]  [BIG_AUD_DY]: But if they could, they would.
[01:03.080 --> 01:05.700]  [BIG_AUD_DY]: Bon, did it bon, for the best, expect the worst.
[01:06.280 --> 01:08.200]  [BIG_AUD_DY]: I hope that's understood.
[01:08.420 --> 01:09.260]  [BIG_AUD_DY]: Bon, did it bon!
[02:34.490 --> 02:36.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: And a very good evening to everybody.
[02:36.770 --> 02:38.450]  [EVILCORLEY]: The program is Off The Hook.
[02:38.690 --> 02:39.830]  [EVILCORLEY]: Emmanuel Goldstein here with you.
[02:40.230 --> 02:41.890]  [EVILCORLEY]: Joined tonight by Kyle.
[02:42.290 --> 02:42.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: Hi.
[02:43.050 --> 02:46.010]  [EVILCORLEY]: And out in Signal-land we have Alex.
[02:46.790 --> 02:47.870]  [ALEXURBELS]: You do indeed.
[02:48.190 --> 02:48.590]  [ALEXURBELS]: Good evening.
[02:50.890 --> 02:54.370]  [EVILCORLEY]: Usually we have more people, uh, but tonight this is it.
[02:54.610 --> 02:55.750]  [EVILCORLEY]: This is all you got.
[02:56.030 --> 03:00.350]  [EVILCORLEY]: And, uh, to make it even more fun, we're gonna actually try to do overtime at 8 o'clock on YouTube.
[03:00.610 --> 03:05.490]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, boy, that'll be fun, um, because, uh, Gila's not here, and she runs all the controls.
[03:05.510 --> 03:11.950]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, it's basically gonna be a free-for-all, out-of-control, uh, YouTube experience for everybody at 8 o'clock.
[03:12.030 --> 03:13.730]  [EVILCORLEY]: But right now, it's, it's WBAI time.
[03:14.090 --> 03:19.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: And we're gonna talk about, um, technology and, and, and various other things that might overshadow technology at the moment.
[03:19.790 --> 03:22.570]  [EVILCORLEY]: For instance, the conditions that we're currently living under.
[03:22.830 --> 03:23.290]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, my goodness.
[03:23.630 --> 03:28.210]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, we are, uh, in, not only a heat wave, uh, but a smoke wave.
[03:28.370 --> 03:37.770]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, we're getting all this, um, uh, smoky air coming over from Canada because of the annual, uh, wildfire ritual that, uh, we as humans now have.
[03:38.450 --> 03:41.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: Um, and, uh, it's really kind of spooky.
[03:41.330 --> 03:44.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: If you look outside, uh, what do you see it recently, Kyle?
[03:46.850 --> 03:48.630]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Peachy orange hue.
[03:49.030 --> 03:54.070]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And, um, just really quite thick and, uh, hard to breathe.
[03:54.630 --> 03:57.370]  [KYLEDROSDK]: They've been, in, advising people to stay inside.
[03:57.390 --> 04:01.050]  [KYLEDROSDK]: The measurements, I believe, are, are, um, pretty high.
[04:01.210 --> 04:02.710]  [KYLEDROSDK]: The scale's like 0 to 500.
[04:03.030 --> 04:05.430]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And in some areas, it's over 200.
[04:05.750 --> 04:08.090]  [EVILCORLEY]: I just, I just saw you outside, though.
[04:08.590 --> 04:10.610]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, I had a dust mask on for whatever.
[04:10.930 --> 04:11.470]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Okay, you did have a mask on.
[04:11.470 --> 04:12.630]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I don't think it was that helpful.
[04:12.830 --> 04:18.870]  [KYLEDROSDK]: But, I mean, yeah, I was, I was doing a little bit of work that had to be done, but for only a brief period.
[04:18.870 --> 04:22.670]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And that was, you know, with some water waiting for me.
[04:22.790 --> 04:26.550]  [EVILCORLEY]: I was banging on the window shouting, but I imagine it was completely silent, uh, outside.
[04:26.910 --> 04:29.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, but yes, don't go outside, folks, unless you have to.
[04:29.250 --> 04:33.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: And if you do go outside, try to, um, not breathe into, I can't believe I have to say these things, but it's true.
[04:33.830 --> 04:35.630]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, it's, uh, it's, it's not good for you.
[04:35.730 --> 04:37.470]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, wear a mask if you have to.
[04:37.750 --> 04:40.550]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, don't worry about right-wingers mocking you for wearing a mask outside.
[04:41.150 --> 04:45.230]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, it's, um, the air is polluted right now, and it's dangerous to breathe in.
[04:46.670 --> 04:47.730]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Especially if you're at risk.
[04:48.390 --> 04:50.850]  [KYLEDROSDK]: So, um, definitely look out for one another.
[04:50.990 --> 04:57.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, of course, we're talking about the, um, uh, northeast area, uh, you know, uh, New York, Connecticut, New Jersey, you're fine.
[04:57.630 --> 04:58.010]  [EVILCORLEY]: Don't worry about it.
[04:58.030 --> 04:58.490]  [EVILCORLEY]: No, I'm kidding.
[04:58.690 --> 04:59.730]  [EVILCORLEY]: Of course you have to worry in New Jersey.
[04:59.870 --> 05:02.190]  [KYLEDROSDK]: No, but, uh, tri-state area, New England.
[05:02.650 --> 05:02.730]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[05:03.010 --> 05:03.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[05:03.270 --> 05:03.590]  [EVILCORLEY]: Boston.
[05:03.890 --> 05:04.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh my God.
[05:04.230 --> 05:06.370]  [EVILCORLEY]: And of course, Canada, where the fires are to start with.
[05:06.710 --> 05:09.250]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, but don't think we won't have fires here in the States.
[05:09.530 --> 05:13.530]  [KYLEDROSDK]: So wouldn't it be great if we had like stories about that from, from Canada?
[05:13.650 --> 05:14.590]  [KYLEDROSDK]: We're just not informed, right?
[05:15.050 --> 05:15.730]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Stories about what?
[05:15.870 --> 05:25.110]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Well, the covers, you know, you don't see, uh, uh, local news about it until the winds pick up and it, and it hits our, um, because we don't care until we can't breathe.
[05:25.110 --> 05:29.710]  [EVILCORLEY]: And all of a sudden everything is getting very dim and people are asking, Hey, what's going on?
[05:29.770 --> 05:32.790]  [KYLEDROSDK]: You know, that's what I'm suggesting we might, you know, work on.
[05:32.890 --> 05:37.630]  [EVILCORLEY]: This could be breaking news to a lot of people who thought maybe, you know, this was end times arriving.
[05:38.010 --> 05:40.010]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, and, and no, they're not arriving.
[05:40.230 --> 05:43.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's tomorrow when Trump gives a speech, but regardless, we'll get to that.
[05:43.510 --> 05:45.330]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, Alex, where are you right now?
[05:45.470 --> 05:48.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: And are you affected by this, uh, by this weirdness?
[05:49.010 --> 05:51.470]  [ALEXURBELS]: I honestly don't even know what you guys are talking about.
[05:51.670 --> 05:55.390]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, I feel like the air quality is just so ordinarily bad in Manhattan.
[05:55.510 --> 05:58.310]  [ALEXURBELS]: I'm sitting outside in Manhattan.
[05:58.670 --> 06:04.310]  [ALEXURBELS]: I don't, I don't sense or feel anything different or any danger.
[06:04.970 --> 06:11.550]  [ALEXURBELS]: Um, so I, I don't know, maybe it's different out, uh, where you are, but I, I feel like it's just generally muggy.
[06:11.770 --> 06:22.910]  [ALEXURBELS]: It definitely looks a little ominous outside, maybe a little bit pink, but it's, uh, you know, we just had a massive downpour of rain for, I don't know, the last hour or so.
[06:23.130 --> 06:25.130]  [ALEXURBELS]: So I don't know.
[06:25.230 --> 06:26.290]  [ALEXURBELS]: I'm, I'm, I'm out here.
[06:26.450 --> 06:28.350]  [ALEXURBELS]: I'm going to brave it for the next two hours.
[06:28.530 --> 06:33.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, we don't know what this rain is that you're speaking of, uh, because it's, it's, it's, uh, dry here.
[06:33.970 --> 06:34.770]  [EVILCORLEY]: Just kind of dim.
[06:35.130 --> 06:45.970]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I did hear, uh, hear reports from our control room, um, before the show that, that there were some, some thunderstorms in Manhattan, which I don't know if that was, well, we're out on Long Island.
[06:46.130 --> 06:46.850]  [EVILCORLEY]: We're out to the east.
[06:46.950 --> 06:50.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: So it's a little different and new England is very different as well.
[06:50.230 --> 06:52.330]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's just, everybody is going through something.
[06:52.550 --> 06:52.690]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[06:52.730 --> 06:53.550]  [KYLEDROSDK]: The winds have picked up.
[06:53.710 --> 06:59.750]  [EVILCORLEY]: So I think a lot of that stuff's moving around those systems and who knows, who knows by the end of this broadcast, uh, the shape that we'll be in.
[06:59.910 --> 07:02.070]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, uh, uh, you know, take heed, be careful.
[07:02.510 --> 07:07.290]  [EVILCORLEY]: Um, it's, um, uh, these are weird times, plenty of hazards, and it's hot too.
[07:07.370 --> 07:08.730]  [EVILCORLEY]: You might hear a fan in the background.
[07:08.890 --> 07:17.090]  [EVILCORLEY]: We got fed up, you know, we usually do the show without air conditioning, without any kind of fan, but it's just, you know, there's no air, it's stagnant, it's hot.
[07:17.490 --> 07:19.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, and, uh, maybe you can't even hear the fan.
[07:19.670 --> 07:20.370]  [EVILCORLEY]: So that would be nice too.
[07:20.710 --> 07:21.830]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, we have a show to do.
[07:21.930 --> 07:22.790]  [EVILCORLEY]: We have things to talk about.
[07:23.270 --> 07:28.830]  [EVILCORLEY]: And, um, one of those things, uh, is, um, uh, something that I'm, I'm kind of happy about.
[07:29.010 --> 07:31.830]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, New York has become the first U.S.
[07:31.930 --> 07:49.110]  [EVILCORLEY]: state as of yesterday to halt construction of large new data centers, imposing a one-year moratorium as concerns grow that the facilities driving the artificial intelligence boom are raising power costs, straining water supplies, and burdening local communities.
[07:49.810 --> 07:50.130]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[07:50.210 --> 07:57.990]  [EVILCORLEY]: And that moratorium positions New York at the forefront of a growing national debate over how to manage the infrastructure needed to support AI.
[07:58.510 --> 08:09.890]  [EVILCORLEY]: While technology companies are racing to build new data centers, lawmakers and regulators in dozens of states are weighing measures to limit their effect on electricity grids, utility bills, and local communities.
[08:10.050 --> 08:22.970]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's, it's incredible that, um, these things are, are popping up everywhere and they're raising the cost of electricity for people who live there, not lowering, you know, if, if they were lowering the costs, then you'd have an honest debate as to, Hey,
[08:23.030 --> 08:24.430]  [EVILCORLEY]: is it a good idea to do this?
[08:24.530 --> 08:26.750]  [EVILCORLEY]: And what about that artificial intelligence, et cetera?
[08:27.010 --> 08:31.830]  [EVILCORLEY]: But now, you know, it's, it basically is a, is a blight on so many levels.
[08:32.190 --> 08:35.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, it's really a no brainer to say, no, no more of this.
[08:35.530 --> 08:36.310]  [EVILCORLEY]: We've had enough.
[08:36.930 --> 08:45.370]  [EVILCORLEY]: Um, governor Hochul said that as data center development threatens to hike up utility bills, deplete our natural resources and create uncertainty for new Yorkers.
[08:45.530 --> 08:48.450]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's my responsibility to take action and lead.
[08:48.650 --> 08:53.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: The construction ban will apply to data centers that use 50 megawatts or more of power.
[08:53.410 --> 08:56.670]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's according to officials in the governor's office.
[08:56.950 --> 09:01.210]  [EVILCORLEY]: Now, of course, today, um, Trump weighed in on this.
[09:01.450 --> 09:02.890]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, he's not happy.
[09:03.030 --> 09:04.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: I love it when he gets angry.
[09:04.570 --> 09:05.590]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's, it's so funny.
[09:05.770 --> 09:20.870]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, he, uh, slammed the governor Hochul's, um, new data center moratorium, uh, saying in a Truth Social post that the state should change its policy immediately, all caps, after it became the first in the U.S. to impose a ban of its kind.
[09:21.070 --> 09:25.090]  [EVILCORLEY]: One of the biggest driving forces capitalized in the future.
[09:25.210 --> 09:26.830]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm not going to say what's capitalized.
[09:27.110 --> 09:31.110]  [EVILCORLEY]: Somebody has to study his mind and figure out why he capitalizes certain words.
[09:31.310 --> 09:35.930]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, one of the biggest driving forces in the future for jobs are data centers.
[09:36.210 --> 09:40.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: They are big, strong, bold, and I'm sorry.
[09:40.770 --> 09:44.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: And, um, money machines for the state in which they are built.
[09:44.870 --> 09:51.450]  [EVILCORLEY]: Governor Kathy Hochul for political reasons has terminated all data centers being built or be built in New York state.
[09:52.310 --> 09:55.250]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's what it says or to be built.
[09:55.370 --> 09:55.730]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, I'm sorry.
[09:55.850 --> 09:56.490]  [EVILCORLEY]: I didn't, that was my mistake.
[09:56.570 --> 09:57.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: I didn't see the two.
[09:57.290 --> 09:57.710]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm sorry.
[09:57.870 --> 09:58.030]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[09:58.170 --> 09:59.950]  [EVILCORLEY]: Or to be built in New York state.
[10:00.230 --> 10:09.730]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, so the new state executive order signed by the governor yesterday bars for up to a year, the construction of large scale data centers that use 50 or more megawatts of power.
[10:09.890 --> 10:14.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: As mentioned, Trump wrote Wednesday, New York state has made a terrible decision, but you know what?
[10:14.930 --> 10:15.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm good with it.
[10:15.870 --> 10:16.750]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm good living with that.
[10:16.830 --> 10:18.130]  [EVILCORLEY]: Any, any thoughts, comments?
[10:20.570 --> 10:21.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: No interest whatsoever.
[10:21.610 --> 10:21.750]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[10:22.150 --> 10:24.490]  [ALEXURBELS]: Uh, I'm, I'm, I'm happy to, to jump in here.
[10:24.590 --> 10:29.750]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, I, I think there's a lot of benefits to this, but you know, there's also your, you have to think about some of the downsides too.
[10:29.890 --> 10:31.710]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, look, they want to run through the benefits.
[10:31.930 --> 10:37.870]  [ALEXURBELS]: They're doing things that protect the grid, protect electrical consumption, protect the consumer.
[10:38.350 --> 10:45.090]  [ALEXURBELS]: There's environmental and water impacts, obviously from all these, these data centers, these hyperwatt data centers that are popping up everywhere.
[10:45.510 --> 11:00.530]  [ALEXURBELS]: I think a moratorium for at least a short time is a good thing because it allows some form of political catch up to happen here and a, and a regulatory catch up because we don't necessarily know what all the implications are of all these data centers,
[11:00.590 --> 11:13.630]  [ALEXURBELS]: especially on, uh, with respect to their impacts on the environment and, and, and specifically impacts on, on wildlife, these kind of low humming noises and things that are bothering people, bothering wildlife, I think are, are, are kind of terrible.
[11:13.790 --> 11:18.590]  [ALEXURBELS]: But, uh, on the other hand, you know how I'd like to play the devil's advocate here.
[11:18.590 --> 11:18.810]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[11:18.890 --> 11:20.650]  [EVILCORLEY]: You're going to be a real devil here.
[11:20.770 --> 11:21.870]  [EVILCORLEY]: I like to hear what's after that.
[11:21.870 --> 11:27.690]  [ALEXURBELS]: But, but you have to think about the economic impact here, right?
[11:27.830 --> 11:31.350]  [ALEXURBELS]: And everybody claims, I know, I know what you're thinking already, but it doesn't create jobs.
[11:31.450 --> 11:37.030]  [ALEXURBELS]: They don't, these things don't create jobs, but they, there is going to be, excuse me, a loss of investment in New York.
[11:37.210 --> 11:42.130]  [ALEXURBELS]: You know, people are going to see New York has closed for business in some respects with respect to data centers.
[11:42.250 --> 11:46.150]  [ALEXURBELS]: And I, I'm not saying that the, the cons outweigh the pros here.
[11:46.250 --> 11:50.850]  [ALEXURBELS]: I think the pros certainly outweigh the cons, but there's a risk too.
[11:51.190 --> 12:02.070]  [ALEXURBELS]: If we don't build these things that another country, perhaps a hostile foreign power, you know, look, Trump, I'm not saying he's right, but you know, even a stop clock is right twice a day.
[12:02.070 --> 12:03.130]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's saying he's right.
[12:03.410 --> 12:04.510]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's saying he's right.
[12:04.730 --> 12:06.270]  [ALEXURBELS]: No, I'm not saying he's right.
[12:06.330 --> 12:12.990]  [ALEXURBELS]: But he does have valid points though, that we do want American leadership when it comes to the forefront of AI.
[12:13.190 --> 12:15.570]  [ALEXURBELS]: We don't want China being at the forefront of AI.
[12:15.570 --> 12:17.710]  [ALEXURBELS]: We want American companies leading the charge here.
[12:17.910 --> 12:19.890]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, I think that, that benefits everybody.
[12:20.030 --> 12:34.430]  [EVILCORLEY]: Why can't American leadership be doing it sanely and not destroying people's, uh, bank accounts and backyards and environment and all that, you know, the, you mentioned the humming, I didn't even mention the humming, but yeah, that's another issue.
[12:34.730 --> 12:41.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, depleting the water supply, raising utility costs, uh, and, uh, you know, destroying the landscape as well.
[12:41.670 --> 12:48.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, maybe we can lead and not doing that, uh, and, and, and using all of these resources for something a little bit more productive.
[12:48.550 --> 12:49.110]  [EVILCORLEY]: Who is it?
[12:49.190 --> 12:50.950]  [EVILCORLEY]: Who's benefiting from AI in the first place?
[12:51.110 --> 12:53.950]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, I don't think average people benefit very much from that.
[12:54.050 --> 12:58.290]  [EVILCORLEY]: I think billionaires, people who are already billionaires are benefiting like crazy.
[12:58.870 --> 13:00.970]  [EVILCORLEY]: And, uh, you know, we have our first trillionaire.
[13:01.070 --> 13:02.230]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's, it's, it's insane.
[13:02.550 --> 13:09.770]  [EVILCORLEY]: There needs to be some kind of, um, uh, you know, a slowing down so we can gauge where we're going and where we want to go.
[13:09.770 --> 13:12.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: Because right now I don't feel like any of us have a say in it.
[13:13.850 --> 13:15.750]  [ALEXURBELS]: Well, that you bring up a good point though.
[13:16.070 --> 13:18.410]  [ALEXURBELS]: And, and here's, I think another con to this.
[13:18.550 --> 13:33.470]  [ALEXURBELS]: I think the governor doing this and issuing a statewide moratorium, banning the construction of new data centers that are over a certain threshold gives us right now, this, this sort of one size fits all approach to the ban here.
[13:33.710 --> 13:35.250]  [ALEXURBELS]: And there's some unintended consequences.
[13:35.250 --> 13:37.350]  [ALEXURBELS]: I think of this one size fits all approach.
[13:37.750 --> 13:44.530]  [ALEXURBELS]: You know, namely exactly what you just said, Emmanuel, that people should be making their own decisions about this.
[13:44.610 --> 13:48.790]  [ALEXURBELS]: And I think a statewide ban overrides local decision-making about this.
[13:48.890 --> 13:54.390]  [ALEXURBELS]: There may be some local communities that want data centers that are so impoverished that they need these types of jobs.
[13:54.530 --> 14:02.670]  [ALEXURBELS]: They want the types of construction that they need that type of economic incentive and that, that, that investment in their local communities.
[14:02.810 --> 14:06.930]  [ALEXURBELS]: They, some people may want this and other people do not.
[14:07.030 --> 14:08.850]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, of course, some people are going to want it.
[14:08.850 --> 14:13.950]  [EVILCORLEY]: It doesn't make it right because some people want it, you know, but they should have the right to choose it.
[14:14.390 --> 14:17.890]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, do they have the right to destroy the landscape and, and, and build?
[14:18.110 --> 14:18.510]  [EVILCORLEY]: Absolutely.
[14:18.830 --> 14:19.210]  [EVILCORLEY]: They do.
[14:19.330 --> 14:19.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[14:19.530 --> 14:20.150]  [ALEXURBELS]: Well, they do.
[14:20.330 --> 14:21.730]  [ALEXURBELS]: If they own it, they absolutely do.
[14:21.910 --> 14:22.830]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't believe that.
[14:22.830 --> 14:37.030]  [EVILCORLEY]: I really don't believe, I believe you have a, you know, responsibility to do something that is environmentally correct and, uh, does not destroy the landscape and, uh, is, is, uh, somewhat thoughtful of your neighbors and, and society in general.
[14:37.210 --> 14:38.630]  [EVILCORLEY]: You don't just get to do whatever you want.
[14:38.910 --> 14:39.690]  [ALEXURBELS]: Think about that.
[14:39.790 --> 14:41.750]  [ALEXURBELS]: Would the island of Manhattan look the way it is?
[14:41.910 --> 14:47.490]  [ALEXURBELS]: If we, if we carried that mentality forward for the last several hundred years, you need to destroy the environment.
[14:47.730 --> 14:50.830]  [EVILCORLEY]: If there were no regulations whatsoever, I guarantee you wouldn't look the way it is right now.
[14:51.110 --> 14:51.710]  [EVILCORLEY]: Kyle, you had something.
[14:51.790 --> 14:51.950]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead.
[14:52.950 --> 15:04.090]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Well, I think like the, a statewide thing is in service of actually coming up with some really thoughtful, um, and, and forward thinking policy around it.
[15:04.250 --> 15:21.370]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I mean, it's necessary under the circumstances so that it doesn't become this huge, huge land grab that really, as Trump, you, you read in that, uh, that blurb, uh, talks about them as, as a sort of a money machine.
[15:21.410 --> 15:41.910]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And you rightly point out that it's really a money machine for, okay, yeah, he might say the States, but that's sort of a payoff to exploit those communities that, uh, Alex is, is talking about in service of something that they can become gatekeepers for and are,
[15:41.910 --> 15:51.570]  [KYLEDROSDK]: are propping up and that they, they want the general public to have a sort of reliance on, uh, as we move into the future.
[15:51.570 --> 16:02.250]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And I, I would, um, I would take issue or I w I would dispute the point about, um, a sort of arms race or, or something with foreign actors.
[16:02.250 --> 16:24.530]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I think that that might be a worth worthwhile thing, um, as a nation state, uh, uh, uh, from that vantage might want, but China itself is having its own issues with, um, the fallout from automation and unemployment and, uh, sort of retooling and, and so forth in their own striving for this,
[16:24.710 --> 16:31.610]  [KYLEDROSDK]: this achievement of, uh, sort of, uh, uh, uh, general intelligence and, and, uh, future automation dominance.
[16:32.030 --> 16:38.170]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Um, and I, I think at what cost, and I, Alex is saying there's a risk, sure.
[16:38.410 --> 17:00.990]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It's a tiny, I think of, of smaller risk than, uh, if what these actors are to gain in, um, uh, uh, achieving their ends, uh, over above and beyond the law and the, and, uh, the, uh, human rights, the, uh, environmental law, general, um, natural, shall we say,
[17:01.190 --> 17:02.250]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Alex, natural law.
[17:02.410 --> 17:02.950]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Can we go there?
[17:03.070 --> 17:04.350]  [KYLEDROSDK]: You want to get really philosophical?
[17:04.530 --> 17:10.890]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I mean, what, how much of, how much of a money machine do these very few?
[17:11.150 --> 17:22.210]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It's that, let's say a consolidating money machine, a money machine that simply consolidates wealth further and, and impoverishes the wider public really to death.
[17:22.330 --> 17:34.990]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And, and you're, you're saying that we risk the, the spoils going to those, those agents in this society, uh, versus everyone else and, and, and all other creatures.
[17:34.990 --> 17:38.790]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Let's not forget the sort of animal industrial fallout here.
[17:38.970 --> 17:43.250]  [EVILCORLEY]: Can I just jump in here and remind you both that it's a one year moratorium, right?
[17:43.270 --> 17:47.010]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's one year to think this through and decide what your next step is going to be.
[17:47.190 --> 17:48.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's not a permanent ban or anything like that.
[17:48.830 --> 17:49.230]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead, Alex.
[17:50.310 --> 17:52.070]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, I, I, I, I tend to agree.
[17:52.190 --> 17:54.730]  [ALEXURBELS]: Look, and I think the, I think the moratorium is a good thing.
[17:54.810 --> 18:04.490]  [ALEXURBELS]: I'm just, I'm just arguing both sides of, of the issue here, but I think Kyle, you, I think you hit the nail on the head here when you're talking about, look, this, give us time to pause and to think about this.
[18:04.590 --> 18:06.290]  [ALEXURBELS]: It's a one year ban, right?
[18:06.530 --> 18:18.450]  [ALEXURBELS]: So I think that regulatory catch up where we can think about how we want to do this more responsibly in a way that doesn't affect wildlife, doesn't affect humans nearly as, as invasively as, as it has been doing now, I think is great.
[18:18.630 --> 18:22.890]  [ALEXURBELS]: And it's not, this isn't like a, a fracture that's going to be forever, right?
[18:23.010 --> 18:25.890]  [ALEXURBELS]: So this is, you know, a, a one year break with data centers.
[18:26.210 --> 18:34.110]  [ALEXURBELS]: It's more of like a conchoidal fracture, you know, when you break a rock or something and it breaks in half and then you're like, Oh wow, there's like a smooth edge in there.
[18:34.210 --> 18:35.350]  [ALEXURBELS]: And that actually looks really nice.
[18:35.470 --> 18:36.750]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's a kind of a benefit here.
[18:36.870 --> 18:40.470]  [ALEXURBELS]: I think that's what we could see from this break happening.
[18:40.470 --> 18:46.010]  [ALEXURBELS]: I think we will end up with something better, something smoother and something, um, you know, a lot more beneficial.
[18:46.250 --> 18:46.430]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[18:46.790 --> 19:05.610]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And Alex, I think also the, what you're saying is it's not to be discounted that there's, there is, um, a sort of, um, leading by example thing here with New York state, as you say, it's this, this, uh, uh, really superb example of my, you know, of, of,
[19:05.770 --> 19:12.370]  [KYLEDROSDK]: of empire of what, um, uh, the economic engine of our, our nation can, can build.
[19:12.650 --> 19:24.570]  [KYLEDROSDK]: So yeah, we don't want that to necessarily, um, uh, become something that, that can't match the kinds of innovation that is the state of the art around the world.
[19:24.870 --> 19:30.290]  [KYLEDROSDK]: But, uh, I think we need to, we need to understand what, what we're serving.
[19:30.290 --> 19:46.850]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And, um, I, I would, I would say, especially the, um, the, the comparison to other countries, it's really, there's so many dual uses for this that are really proxies for, uh, weaponry and, um, modern warfare, um, and the kind of asymmetrics and, and, uh,
[19:47.430 --> 20:06.150]  [KYLEDROSDK]: remote, um, uh, uh, attacks and, and, uh, location and, and sort of, uh, other future technologies, um, with, uh, in the integration of these kinds of, um, intelligent platforms and thinking systems.
[20:06.570 --> 20:14.450]  [KYLEDROSDK]: We gotta be really careful with that too, because it's, it's much more than just, uh, general computer being used to calculate things.
[20:14.630 --> 20:19.650]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It's something that you're sort of setting free with, um, with, with payloads and things.
[20:19.890 --> 20:24.170]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And that itself, I think can be, uh, lost in this, the, the dual use.
[20:24.310 --> 20:33.610]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And that's, I think, partly what you're concerned about is that, are we going to be then reliant if we don't have the ability to do this stuff, but we got to do it in a way that, uh, we can maintain.
[20:33.950 --> 20:41.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, you know, we seem to be coming back to the theme of, you know, because you own something, does that give you the right to do something without regard for other people?
[20:42.070 --> 20:48.990]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, and I, you know, we're going to be hearing a lot more about this story that really, uh, affects, um, well, it could affect everybody on the planet.
[20:49.410 --> 20:52.490]  [EVILCORLEY]: Um, the FCC has, uh, waded into this.
[20:52.590 --> 21:03.350]  [EVILCORLEY]: And despite a flood of objections, they have approved a startup's plan to launch a controversial satellite that will use, this just sounds so bad.
[21:03.510 --> 21:08.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: It will use a giant mirror to reflect sunlight to earth after dark.
[21:09.250 --> 21:09.890]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[21:10.050 --> 21:13.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: They would get, um, annoyed when it gets dark outside.
[21:13.050 --> 21:19.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, we might have a solution for you, a giant mirror in space that's going to, uh, direct the sun right back at you.
[21:19.610 --> 21:19.910]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[21:20.010 --> 21:21.070]  [EVILCORLEY]: Goodbye, nightfall.
[21:21.290 --> 21:22.990]  [EVILCORLEY]: Hello, 24 hour light.
[21:23.170 --> 21:24.130]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's, that's what we all want.
[21:24.450 --> 21:28.710]  [EVILCORLEY]: On Thursday, the FCC granted California based reflect orbital permission.
[21:29.330 --> 21:35.430]  [EVILCORLEY]: First of all, just that name alone, they, they should be, uh, disqualified for lack of imagination reflect orbital.
[21:35.610 --> 21:35.730]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[21:36.270 --> 21:42.790]  [EVILCORLEY]: Um, granted them permission to launch and operate the satellite in low earth orbit using the requested radio spectrum.
[21:43.110 --> 21:49.470]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, the reflected light from the satellite is supposed to span an area about three miles wide on the ground.
[21:49.570 --> 21:53.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: Doesn't sound so bad now, but believe me, the technology will improve.
[21:53.390 --> 22:03.330]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, now this approval is only for one satellite dubbed Arendale 1, which is meant to test reflect orbitals technology for shining sunlight back to earth.
[22:03.590 --> 22:14.330]  [EVILCORLEY]: The satellite will boast a steerable thin film reflector measuring about 60 feet by 60 feet with the goal of powering solar farms at night.
[22:14.530 --> 22:14.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh yeah.
[22:14.830 --> 22:21.330]  [EVILCORLEY]: Blame solar power for this, uh, or illuminating disaster struck areas after dark to help rescue teams.
[22:21.890 --> 22:22.310]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[22:22.410 --> 22:34.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, you're looking for a lost child or something who wouldn't say turn on the light so we can see where they've wandered off to, but you know, you, you develop this a little bit more and all of a sudden you're, uh, looking for dissidents who are trying to escape,
[22:34.850 --> 22:47.090]  [EVILCORLEY]: uh, a, uh, a fascist government, uh, or, uh, tracking down refugees in the forest or who knows what, or, or other people get their hands on the technology and just use it at their, you know, whims.
[22:47.770 --> 22:48.290]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't know.
[22:48.530 --> 22:49.430]  [EVILCORLEY]: Any, any thoughts on this?
[22:49.510 --> 22:53.490]  [EVILCORLEY]: Is this something that, um, we should be stepping in and saying, no, we don't want this.
[22:53.610 --> 22:55.390]  [EVILCORLEY]: And do we have the right to even stop it?
[22:56.710 --> 22:59.570]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, this seems totally insane to me.
[22:59.770 --> 23:10.010]  [ALEXURBELS]: It also sounds like a, a, a headline that somebody created for the onion, as opposed to something actually happening over at the FCC.
[23:10.390 --> 23:20.510]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, the FCC, like these are, these are people that are nervous about things like community Wi-Fi, yet somehow they're cool with reflecting sunlight onto earth from space.
[23:21.030 --> 23:21.990]  [ALEXURBELS]: I don't understand that.
[23:22.210 --> 23:23.550]  [EVILCORLEY]: Alex, let me just reassure you.
[23:23.670 --> 23:24.550]  [EVILCORLEY]: This is not the onion.
[23:24.770 --> 23:27.850]  [EVILCORLEY]: This came from PCMag.com.
[23:28.870 --> 23:31.370]  [ALEXURBELS]: PCMag, that bastion of, uh, truth and accuracy.
[23:31.370 --> 23:40.570]  [ALEXURBELS]: I know it's, uh, it's, it's incredible, but I mean, it, it also sounds very Bond villain like, you know, are these people like cosplaying as, as James Bond villain types?
[23:40.730 --> 23:42.590]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, look at who's running the country.
[23:42.730 --> 23:43.930]  [EVILCORLEY]: Look at who's running businesses.
[23:44.350 --> 23:49.590]  [EVILCORLEY]: We were living in a James Bond film, but God's sake, they're evil personified.
[23:49.850 --> 23:54.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, they, they, they've, they've got the mustaches and the sunglasses and the cats and all that.
[23:55.850 --> 23:58.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: If this were a James Bond film, it wouldn't be a very good one.
[23:59.170 --> 24:06.370]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, we, we can't get fiber to most public housing, but we can reroute sunlight from space, right?
[24:06.450 --> 24:09.850]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, it's, it's easier now to reroute sunlight from space and get approval to do that.
[24:09.930 --> 24:15.310]  [ALEXURBELS]: Then we can, to get fiber to, to public housing, um, and make sure we're healing the digital divide.
[24:15.410 --> 24:26.350]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, this sounds like a horrific idea, the environmental impact of which I think has not been studied at all, or if it has been studied, it's probably been studied in some kind of partial slanted manner.
[24:26.750 --> 24:28.170]  [ALEXURBELS]: It seems kind of insane.
[24:28.810 --> 24:32.070]  [ALEXURBELS]: On the other hand, I do have to say, it does sound kind of cool too.
[24:32.290 --> 24:36.570]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, I'd like to see how this, this works like from an engineering perspective.
[24:36.570 --> 24:38.230]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, pick a different planet.
[24:38.410 --> 24:38.410]  [ALEXURBELS]: It's kind of neat.
[24:38.530 --> 24:40.250]  [EVILCORLEY]: Test it on a different planet, not ours.
[24:40.790 --> 24:41.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know?
[24:41.470 --> 24:43.730]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, or, I don't know.
[24:43.810 --> 24:59.050]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, it should be something that it seems like it really needs to be extremely heavily regulated because of the, the potential for function creep, as you mentioned, Emmanuel, uh, abuse and environmental impact from this could be absolutely disastrous.
[24:59.050 --> 25:14.770]  [EVILCORLEY]: Think about, um, uh, countries that go to war a lot, uh, like our country, for instance, we go to war an awful lot, uh, lighting up the, uh, the country that we have to be invading this week, you know, uh, as if dropping bombs isn't enough, we can light them up and there's no place to hide,
[25:14.930 --> 25:17.230]  [EVILCORLEY]: uh, make, make life a living hell.
[25:17.390 --> 25:19.790]  [EVILCORLEY]: And, you know, mess up your, uh, circadian ribbons.
[25:19.910 --> 25:20.650]  [EVILCORLEY]: I get that right?
[25:20.730 --> 25:21.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's, that's what it's called, right?
[25:21.810 --> 25:22.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[25:22.330 --> 25:22.370]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[25:22.870 --> 25:24.070]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's, that's not a good thing.
[25:24.070 --> 25:26.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, the FCC, and we're not criticizing the FCC.
[25:26.830 --> 25:30.590]  [EVILCORLEY]: We know what happens if you criticize the FCC over the public airwaves.
[25:30.690 --> 25:31.550]  [EVILCORLEY]: So we're not doing that.
[25:31.670 --> 25:32.650]  [EVILCORLEY]: We're just quoting them.
[25:32.870 --> 25:42.330]  [EVILCORLEY]: The Communications Act states that it is the policy of the United States to encourage the provision of new technologies and services to the public.
[25:43.910 --> 25:47.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: So that's the justification for doing something like this.
[25:48.190 --> 25:48.910]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't know.
[25:49.270 --> 25:56.770]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, we'll see what that winds up going, but it sure doesn't, um, it doesn't seem like a very well thought out idea right now.
[25:56.890 --> 25:59.130]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's a, it's a, it's a small area.
[25:59.670 --> 26:02.730]  [EVILCORLEY]: Guarantee you it's, uh, it's going to get much, much bigger.
[26:02.970 --> 26:03.450]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead, Alex.
[26:05.950 --> 26:12.310]  [ALEXURBELS]: Can I, can I share, uh, just a bit of news that came in for me about, uh, two hours ago.
[26:12.910 --> 26:20.210]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, it's hardly like breaking, but, uh, as long as it's not the score of the game, I know the score of the game, but our listeners might not.
[26:20.350 --> 26:22.390]  [EVILCORLEY]: So if that's the breaking news, don't share that.
[26:22.650 --> 26:25.190]  [ALEXURBELS]: No, no, it's not that that wouldn't have nothing to do with me.
[26:25.350 --> 26:26.330]  [ALEXURBELS]: So I want to tell you.
[26:26.490 --> 26:33.470]  [ALEXURBELS]: So I, um, yesterday I was in court and arguing against the department of justice on a habeas case.
[26:33.710 --> 26:39.390]  [ALEXURBELS]: And about two hours ago, uh, judge merchant from the Eastern district of New York and Brooklyn issued her order.
[26:39.690 --> 26:47.210]  [ALEXURBELS]: And I have just won my sixth habeas petition, my sixth petition for rid of habeas corpus on behalf of an ICE detainee.
[26:47.610 --> 26:50.930]  [ALEXURBELS]: And this time we want him an immigration hearing and a bond.
[26:51.090 --> 27:03.850]  [ALEXURBELS]: And this was an hour long argument yesterday in federal court against the department of justice, arguing about due process and the place of the fifth amendment and the detention of immigrants.
[27:03.850 --> 27:08.570]  [ALEXURBELS]: And it was, um, a very tense and hard fought battle.
[27:08.750 --> 27:15.930]  [ALEXURBELS]: Uh, and, uh, I'll tell you, I, the day before I actually had tickets to go to the Scottelites here in the city and see the Scottelites.
[27:15.970 --> 27:18.710]  [ALEXURBELS]: So my wife got me tickets to see the Scottelites months ago.
[27:19.530 --> 27:25.050]  [ALEXURBELS]: And we, we didn't go because I felt like I needed to prepare more for this oral argument yesterday.
[27:25.050 --> 27:35.050]  [ALEXURBELS]: So we, we had, um, missed out on seeing the Scottelites over at city winery in favor of staying up until one o'clock in the morning studying case law.
[27:35.150 --> 27:43.950]  [ALEXURBELS]: But it paid off because I really think I mopped the floor yesterday with the department of justice lawyers that were on the other side, made them look ridiculous.
[27:44.530 --> 27:47.170]  [ALEXURBELS]: And, um, and now I'm six and oh, this is a sixth one.
[27:47.270 --> 27:48.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: I was going to ask if you were undefeated.
[27:48.730 --> 27:59.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: I just want to say though, if there's any, uh, members of the Scottelites or their, uh, booking crew or anything like that, listening, uh, please consider coming back, uh, and, and putting on a, uh, you know, maybe just one song for Alex outside.
[27:59.590 --> 28:00.250]  [EVILCORLEY]: That'd be nice.
[28:01.070 --> 28:03.550]  [EVILCORLEY]: Or, you know, send them an email saying, well done.
[28:03.870 --> 28:06.990]  [EVILCORLEY]: But, but yes, Alex, I think we all owe you a debt of gratitude for that.
[28:07.090 --> 28:08.950]  [EVILCORLEY]: And great that you're, you're undefeated.
[28:09.270 --> 28:11.070]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's, uh, that's undefeated.
[28:11.310 --> 28:12.630]  [ALEXURBELS]: And this one was a great one.
[28:12.770 --> 28:18.250]  [ALEXURBELS]: And we, we got the judge issued a wonderfully long opinion that found for us.
[28:18.490 --> 28:26.850]  [ALEXURBELS]: And, and it was great to be able to basically what I, what the government was arguing was, well, we can do this because Congress told us we can do it.
[28:27.070 --> 28:37.150]  [ALEXURBELS]: And, and the, the Department of Justice took the position that this case Matthews didn't apply, which is the seminal case about how you weigh due process considerations when somebody's going to be detained.
[28:38.050 --> 28:50.590]  [ALEXURBELS]: And, and I literally had to tell the judge that I was taken aback when the Department of Justice said, well, we just think that that case doesn't apply because Congress says you have to detain the immigrant.
[28:50.970 --> 28:54.090]  [ALEXURBELS]: I said, well, this is the whole reason we have the Constitution.
[28:54.690 --> 29:01.170]  [ALEXURBELS]: Congress can say you have to do whatever you want to do, but Congress cannot command that which the Fifth Amendment forbids.
[29:01.430 --> 29:02.910]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's why we have courts.
[29:03.050 --> 29:04.910]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's why we have the Constitution.
[29:05.550 --> 29:10.870]  [ALEXURBELS]: And I'm just, I'm so happy to see that the Constitution prevailed here.
[29:11.070 --> 29:11.770]  [ALEXURBELS]: We were right.
[29:11.930 --> 29:17.470]  [ALEXURBELS]: It's just, sometimes you just have to boil it down to very, very simple concepts and you win.
[29:18.250 --> 29:18.650]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[29:19.010 --> 29:25.910]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, um, uh, ice has been in the news quite a bit, uh, recently, uh, and it's, it's awful as always.
[29:26.070 --> 29:34.430]  [EVILCORLEY]: I actually praised Trump on our other radio show yesterday, uh, saying that, um, he did the right thing by saying no more traffic stops until we figure this out.
[29:34.950 --> 29:38.670]  [EVILCORLEY]: And boy, was I stupid because of course it turned out he had nothing to do with that.
[29:38.770 --> 29:41.630]  [EVILCORLEY]: And today he said, of course we want to have more traffic stops.
[29:41.630 --> 29:44.710]  [EVILCORLEY]: We want to, you know, shoot as many people as possible if we have to.
[29:45.330 --> 29:48.850]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, and, um, uh, you know, I, I, I have to stop being so trusting.
[29:49.030 --> 29:53.070]  [EVILCORLEY]: I have to stop giving credit where it's not due, um, because it certainly is not due there.
[29:53.170 --> 29:59.550]  [EVILCORLEY]: But, um, congratulations, Alex, on, uh, on one small victory against this madness that we're living through.
[30:00.590 --> 30:01.830]  [ALEXURBELS]: We'll keep, we'll keep them coming.
[30:02.070 --> 30:03.030]  [ALEXURBELS]: I'm going to keep filing.
[30:03.170 --> 30:03.850]  [ALEXURBELS]: We're going to keep fighting.
[30:04.070 --> 30:04.870]  [ALEXURBELS]: So thank you.
[30:05.250 --> 30:06.270]  [ALEXURBELS]: Glad to share that news.
[30:06.750 --> 30:07.230]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[30:07.390 --> 30:10.510]  [EVILCORLEY]: Um, now on the subject of football, we're not going to give out the score.
[30:10.670 --> 30:15.910]  [EVILCORLEY]: I know the score, I don't know if anybody else does about, you know, Argentina versus England earlier today in the world cup.
[30:16.590 --> 30:20.370]  [EVILCORLEY]: Um, but, uh, we do have a, uh, a football related story.
[30:20.570 --> 30:30.990]  [EVILCORLEY]: By the way, before I get into the football related story, you remember a couple of weeks ago, Alex, um, you were, um, uh, out, uh, in, uh, was it little Senegal up, up, up, uptown?
[30:31.130 --> 30:31.190]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[30:31.550 --> 30:32.230]  [ALEXURBELS]: Petit Senegal.
[30:32.470 --> 30:32.510]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yep.
[30:32.670 --> 30:33.910]  [ALEXURBELS]: Over on 116th street.
[30:34.110 --> 30:46.250]  [EVILCORLEY]: And you had, you had texted me asking if, um, if you wanted, um, uh, if I wanted you to do the show from there with all the, uh, the craziness going on as people were watching the game between Senegal and Belgium.
[30:46.790 --> 30:51.130]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, and, uh, you know, I, I, I just, I didn't want, I had watched a little bit of the game.
[30:51.250 --> 30:54.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: I didn't know how it ended, so I didn't want to be part of that.
[30:54.610 --> 30:57.870]  [EVILCORLEY]: So I just sent you a very terse message saying, just get a good signal.
[30:58.190 --> 31:03.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, and then you texted me back and, um, I ignored that text.
[31:03.050 --> 31:09.230]  [EVILCORLEY]: I, no, I, I did because I, I just had a feeling, you know, that, um, you were going to say something I didn't want to hear.
[31:09.570 --> 31:18.570]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, and then we did the show and we, we, we spent the entire hour, um, not giving out, you spent the entire hour not giving me the information.
[31:18.810 --> 31:21.990]  [EVILCORLEY]: I was, I was reading into a, okay, you're back at your house.
[31:22.350 --> 31:25.570]  [EVILCORLEY]: So you left little Senegal, which means that Senegal must've lost.
[31:25.690 --> 31:28.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: And you said, Oh no, no, I had a different, um, uh, engagement.
[31:28.610 --> 31:29.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: I had to leave anyway.
[31:30.030 --> 31:31.470]  [EVILCORLEY]: I never quite believed that.
[31:31.590 --> 31:37.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: Um, but the thing is, I was right in not reading your message because can I, can I just read this message?
[31:37.510 --> 31:38.290]  [EVILCORLEY]: What'd you send to me?
[31:38.670 --> 31:38.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: Right?
[31:38.990 --> 31:39.370]  [ALEXURBELS]: I guess.
[31:39.530 --> 31:39.830]  [ALEXURBELS]: Go ahead.
[31:39.890 --> 31:40.170]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[31:40.410 --> 31:41.010]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh boy.
[31:41.390 --> 31:42.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: Um, okay.
[31:43.730 --> 31:49.070]  [EVILCORLEY]: This, um, this was, um, exactly what I, um, what I was afraid of.
[31:49.670 --> 31:51.550]  [EVILCORLEY]: Um, hang on one second.
[31:51.610 --> 31:52.650]  [EVILCORLEY]: Now I'd lost my place.
[31:52.910 --> 31:57.550]  [ALEXURBELS]: And I have to say during that show, I was wondering why you, you didn't know what was going on.
[31:57.990 --> 32:01.970]  [ALEXURBELS]: Uh, and I was, I just assumed that you didn't read my message.
[32:02.190 --> 32:03.490]  [ALEXURBELS]: So, uh, okay.
[32:03.570 --> 32:05.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: So you text me saying, nevermind, not worth it.
[32:05.790 --> 32:08.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: Belgium scored two goals in the last five and tied it up.
[32:08.790 --> 32:09.630]  [EVILCORLEY]: Ended 2-2.
[32:09.890 --> 32:11.710]  [EVILCORLEY]: The atmosphere is quite dismal and defeated.
[32:12.630 --> 32:19.250]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, if I had asked you to come out and give a sports report of, uh, how the game ended, you could not have done a better job than that.
[32:19.370 --> 32:20.810]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's like half a postgame show.
[32:20.970 --> 32:22.470]  [EVILCORLEY]: You told me everything that happened in the game.
[32:22.990 --> 32:25.310]  [ALEXURBELS]: So, you know, I did, but that wasn't the ending score though.
[32:25.630 --> 32:26.850]  [ALEXURBELS]: That was not the ending score.
[32:27.590 --> 32:30.330]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's true because they, they, they lost.
[32:30.590 --> 32:30.670]  [EVILCORLEY]: Belgium won.
[32:30.930 --> 32:31.250]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[32:31.350 --> 32:36.770]  [EVILCORLEY]: I know Belgium won, but, uh, you said atmosphere is quite dismal and, um, and defeated.
[32:37.090 --> 32:37.710]  [EVILCORLEY]: Actually, you're right.
[32:37.770 --> 32:38.510]  [EVILCORLEY]: You didn't say they won.
[32:38.970 --> 32:39.670]  [EVILCORLEY]: Did you leave?
[32:39.730 --> 32:40.130]  [ALEXURBELS]: I didn't say they won.
[32:40.290 --> 32:41.670]  [EVILCORLEY]: Did you leave when they were tied?
[32:42.410 --> 32:49.130]  [ALEXURBELS]: I left when they were tied because I had to get back down, um, to do the, uh, to do the radio show and, and for something else.
[32:49.350 --> 32:52.030]  [ALEXURBELS]: But, um, yeah, you were telling the truth.
[32:52.910 --> 32:54.630]  [ALEXURBELS]: I was telling the truth at that time.
[32:54.750 --> 33:04.430]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, I was telling the truth, but, uh, it was obvious to me that you didn't read my text message when we were doing the show because you, you, I don't, I didn't think that you were feigning ignorance.
[33:04.590 --> 33:05.970]  [ALEXURBELS]: I knew you were truly ignorant.
[33:06.250 --> 33:07.430]  [EVILCORLEY]: No, I don't feign ignorance.
[33:07.590 --> 33:09.090]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's the real thing when you see that.
[33:09.190 --> 33:09.470]  [EVILCORLEY]: Absolutely.
[33:09.870 --> 33:11.230]  [EVILCORLEY]: And I read that message yesterday.
[33:11.550 --> 33:12.830]  [EVILCORLEY]: So you sent it two weeks ago.
[33:12.970 --> 33:18.110]  [EVILCORLEY]: I didn't get to it till, till, till yesterday, but many times I just avoid things I don't want to hear.
[33:18.650 --> 33:19.450]  [EVILCORLEY]: Um, okay.
[33:19.610 --> 33:28.710]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, so now on the The subject, though, of the World Cup, it's a pretty well-known fact that Egypt were robbed, especially in the game against Argentina.
[33:29.930 --> 33:38.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: Hackers from Egypt sent unauthorized emails from Argentinian accounts, AFA accounts, is that what that is?
[33:38.570 --> 33:43.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: Accusing referees of corrupt decisions in Argentina's 3-2 win over Egypt.
[33:43.270 --> 33:52.310]  [EVILCORLEY]: The attackers claimed to have stolen AFA's database, including emails, passwords, IDs, and phone numbers, raising phishing and identity theft risks.
[33:53.030 --> 34:03.730]  [EVILCORLEY]: The refereeing controversy, Egypt lodged a formal complaint over disallowed goals and missed penalties, with FIFA defending the integrity of officiating amid fan uproar.
[34:04.050 --> 34:14.130]  [EVILCORLEY]: Reports from Argentinian and international media state that the Argentinian Football Association, that's AFA, was targeted in a cyberattack traced to Egyptian origins.
[34:14.530 --> 34:23.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: Unauthorized emails sent from AFA accounts claimed Argentina's World Cup last-16 win over Egypt, was secured through corrupt refereeing decisions.
[34:23.510 --> 34:33.630]  [EVILCORLEY]: An Egyptian hacker group claimed responsibility and allegedly offered stolen AFA data, including emails, IP addresses, the things we mentioned before, on online forums.
[34:34.010 --> 34:38.550]  [EVILCORLEY]: The messages also praised Egypt's performance and included some politically charged language.
[34:38.870 --> 34:43.670]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, yeah, the fun continues off the playing field, and the fans take this very seriously.
[34:43.670 --> 34:46.970]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, yeah, that's why we're careful what we say.
[34:46.970 --> 34:51.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: We don't give out too much information, because it might not be known by everybody.
[34:52.350 --> 34:55.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: We have a letter that I'd like to share.
[34:55.490 --> 34:59.990]  [EVILCORLEY]: You can write your letters to Off The Hook, oth@2600.com.
[35:00.310 --> 35:07.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: Dear Off The Hook crew, Kyle and Gila's comments last week regarding amateur radio operators are unfortunately true.
[35:07.190 --> 35:13.010]  [EVILCORLEY]: A lot of the hobby feels gatekept by self-proclaimed, quote-unquote, real hams.
[35:13.510 --> 35:19.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, if you like a digital mode, they claim it's not real ham radio, because a computer is involved.
[35:19.850 --> 35:25.390]  [EVILCORLEY]: If you have the same license class, theirs is better, because Morse code proficiency was mandatory back then.
[35:25.730 --> 35:32.010]  [EVILCORLEY]: They thumb their nose at your $25 Chinese radio, and say you need a $2,500 Japanese one.
[35:32.010 --> 35:40.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: I left my first club when those types, also the club's officers, compared my entire generation to a certain German dictator.
[35:40.510 --> 35:44.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: Then, in the same breath, they don't know why the hobby is dying.
[35:45.090 --> 35:50.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: Ham radio looks like a hobby for old straight white men with disposable income, but that's not true.
[35:51.010 --> 35:56.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: A kid half my age just got back from activating Bouvet Island in the South Atlantic.
[35:56.390 --> 35:59.110]  [EVILCORLEY]: An eight-year-old girl passed the entry-level exam.
[35:59.110 --> 36:05.710]  [EVILCORLEY]: One club I'm in caters to LGBTQ plus members and allies, proving it's not radio waves that discriminate.
[36:06.070 --> 36:13.710]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's to say nothing of the NYC Resistor hams popping into the Emerald Pub after a long day of HOPE talks last year in Queens.
[36:14.050 --> 36:15.710]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm not discriminating either.
[36:16.030 --> 36:22.750]  [EVILCORLEY]: There are plenty of open-minded, old straight White men who just want to talk about their cool microwave setups, or something like that.
[36:22.910 --> 36:25.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm a few decades away from being one of those.
[36:25.170 --> 36:29.870]  [EVILCORLEY]: Let the sad hams chat on 75 meters until the nurses take away their mics.
[36:30.670 --> 36:34.650]  [EVILCORLEY]: Ham radio is well over a century old, but it's not dying.
[36:34.650 --> 36:36.710]  [EVILCORLEY]: In fact, it can only improve from here.
[36:36.990 --> 36:38.250]  [EVILCORLEY]: And that letter from Colin.
[36:38.890 --> 36:40.330]  [EVILCORLEY]: Should I give out his call sign?
[36:40.410 --> 36:41.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: He signed his call sign.
[36:41.650 --> 36:43.030]  [EVILCORLEY]: Do people want me to do that?
[36:43.530 --> 36:44.110]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[36:44.530 --> 36:45.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: I think so.
[36:46.370 --> 36:46.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: W1DNS.
[36:46.970 --> 36:49.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's actually kind of a cool call sign there.
[36:49.590 --> 36:50.810]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's an awesome call sign.
[36:50.810 --> 36:51.490]  [EVILCORLEY]: P.S. Amateur radio means we don't and can't do it for money.
[36:55.450 --> 36:59.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: Compare that to professional radio operators like Don Imus or Rush Limbaugh.
[37:00.610 --> 37:01.090]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[37:01.410 --> 37:03.110]  [EVILCORLEY]: Neither one of which are working now.
[37:03.250 --> 37:06.390]  [EVILCORLEY]: But I guess we're amateur too, because we don't get paid.
[37:07.770 --> 37:10.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: And I know many people are happy to call us amateurs.
[37:10.650 --> 37:11.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: So that's fine.
[37:11.430 --> 37:11.890]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's fine.
[37:12.110 --> 37:12.790]  [EVILCORLEY]: But yeah.
[37:13.750 --> 37:14.850]  [EVILCORLEY]: Good comments there.
[37:14.990 --> 37:15.470]  [EVILCORLEY]: Good critique.
[37:15.470 --> 37:21.030]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's important to say these things and to realize that the amateur radio community is a diverse one.
[37:21.190 --> 37:22.390]  [EVILCORLEY]: A lot of people are interested in this.
[37:22.510 --> 37:28.430]  [EVILCORLEY]: Just, you know, go to any gathering where they happen to be and you'll see that for yourself.
[37:29.430 --> 37:34.910]  [EVILCORLEY]: And it's great that HOPE gets so many amateur radio participants.
[37:35.730 --> 37:42.350]  [EVILCORLEY]: It just, it's another part of the hacker world that we often don't think of as a hacker world.
[37:42.490 --> 37:53.090]  [EVILCORLEY]: But putting together a rig, you know, getting something operating, figuring out the rules and regulations and making contact with people in other parts of the world.
[37:53.650 --> 37:56.210]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's a good part of the hacker community.
[37:56.210 --> 38:02.210]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, and I would just add that computers are involved in radio these days.
[38:02.490 --> 38:07.550]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I hate to break it to anybody, you know, amateur or otherwise.
[38:07.950 --> 38:11.650]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And I wouldn't buy that for a second from anyone.
[38:11.890 --> 38:22.130]  [KYLEDROSDK]: If you're using computers and you're integrating it with analog equipment and adapting things or converting things, you're hacking things together.
[38:22.130 --> 38:24.710]  [KYLEDROSDK]: You're making, you know, different things work.
[38:25.550 --> 38:33.730]  [KYLEDROSDK]: You're electrical and your signal path, your pathways or whatever you're hobbying with, however you set yourself up.
[38:33.730 --> 38:35.250]  [KYLEDROSDK]: If it works for you, that's fine.
[38:35.590 --> 38:45.530]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And in professional radio, there are so many ways computers are helping, especially people not buying receivers or having receivers.
[38:45.530 --> 39:09.050]  [KYLEDROSDK]: The ability to stream and use computing and encoding algorithms and the IP network in general to get audio and content out is a crucial part of relevancy for the traditional terrestrial radio industry, AM, FM, all of that.
[39:09.050 --> 39:16.590]  [KYLEDROSDK]: So, yeah, I think you can you can use whatever electronics you want if you're experimenting a little bit.
[39:16.590 --> 39:31.650]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And especially if you want to become an amateur licensed ham or or other kind of radio operator or if you're just helping out with like community projects or setting things up places or helping like with point to point links.
[39:31.650 --> 39:36.830]  [KYLEDROSDK]: There's a lot of crossover between microwave or like Wi-Fi setups.
[39:37.230 --> 39:52.750]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And sometimes those things are crucial to get signals to like, you know, emergency transmission sites or paths that, you know, help in the event that a wired connection or a telephone connection or something else is unavailable.
[39:52.750 --> 39:56.090]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Like, that's all integrating these different skills.
[39:56.470 --> 39:58.730]  [KYLEDROSDK]: So, I, that's how I think of it.
[39:58.830 --> 40:05.210]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And I think, you know, I've learned so much and I don't even consider myself like anywhere close to an amateur.
[40:05.590 --> 40:11.810]  [KYLEDROSDK]: So, yeah, it's, it's, that's all like labeling and you just have to keep looking for groups that accept you.
[40:11.970 --> 40:15.610]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And it sounds like this person really did find their place and find a good crew.
[40:15.810 --> 40:18.350]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, and gave back in a really positive way.
[40:18.470 --> 40:18.890]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead, Alex.
[40:19.730 --> 40:30.050]  [ALEXURBELS]: You know, as I said before, I'm really hopeful to finally, after many years, get my ham radio license this year at HOPE, at one of the exams that's going to be hosted there.
[40:30.130 --> 40:32.750]  [ALEXURBELS]: Hopefully, I will have enough time to study for it.
[40:33.290 --> 40:39.290]  [ALEXURBELS]: I think my son, who's 13, also may be studying for this as well.
[40:39.390 --> 40:44.650]  [ALEXURBELS]: And I think it would be super cool for him to be able to, to get his ham radio license.
[40:44.650 --> 40:49.550]  [ALEXURBELS]: As I was looking it up, there's actually no age restriction on who can have a ham radio license.
[40:49.730 --> 40:53.950]  [ALEXURBELS]: I think people like as young as like six or seven have had ham radio license.
[40:54.070 --> 41:01.030]  [ALEXURBELS]: As long as you can pass the exam, you can operate, you know, a ham radio, which I think is, is super cool.
[41:01.310 --> 41:03.610]  [ALEXURBELS]: And he's been really getting into radio as well.
[41:03.690 --> 41:10.310]  [ALEXURBELS]: We have these GMRS radios that we use out in Pennsylvania when he's out fishing or something on the lake and kayaking.
[41:10.310 --> 41:25.310]  [ALEXURBELS]: We had this, this crazy incident this past weekend where there was this massive snake at the end of our yard near where this lake is, this huge snake, about three or so, three or so feet long.
[41:25.530 --> 41:27.450]  [ALEXURBELS]: I don't know, maybe five, six inches wide.
[41:28.070 --> 41:41.010]  [ALEXURBELS]: And then the next day he got into the kayak, he's out there fishing and, and I hear over the radio, you know, using the call signs that we use for each other, which I won't, I won't embarrass myself.
[41:42.030 --> 41:43.990]  [EVILCORLEY]: We'll find out, we'll find out what it is.
[41:44.150 --> 41:44.710]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, you will.
[41:44.870 --> 41:45.530]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, exactly.
[41:45.790 --> 41:50.370]  [ALEXURBELS]: But anyhow, he's calling out to me, radioing to me, you know, essentially, daddy, do copy, do copy, do copy.
[41:50.870 --> 41:53.630]  [ALEXURBELS]: And it turns out that that snake was in the kayak.
[41:54.010 --> 41:56.230]  [ALEXURBELS]: He had to jump out of the kayak and abandon the kayak.
[41:56.330 --> 41:58.150]  [ALEXURBELS]: These other people on the lake had to get the snake out.
[41:58.370 --> 42:00.330]  [ALEXURBELS]: But we were able to communicate through radio.
[42:00.530 --> 42:03.770]  [EVILCORLEY]: I thought there was going to be a kayak with a snake in it from now on.
[42:04.570 --> 42:06.650]  [EVILCORLEY]: Because how else would the snake have gotten out?
[42:07.390 --> 42:08.090]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's scary.
[42:08.210 --> 42:11.010]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, it, it, it was, it was a, it was a crazy thing.
[42:11.150 --> 42:16.490]  [ALEXURBELS]: Actually, some, some people in a paddle boat were able to, to help get the snake out of the kayak.
[42:17.050 --> 42:26.750]  [ALEXURBELS]: But, you know, this sparked a real interest in learning about radios, learning about frequencies, learning about keying up, how radio works, how it can be used to communicate over distances.
[42:26.750 --> 42:28.450]  [ALEXURBELS]: So he, he's really into it now.
[42:28.550 --> 42:34.150]  [ALEXURBELS]: And I think that's all it takes sometimes is a little bit of an emergency with a snake to spark your interest in radio.
[42:34.310 --> 42:39.450]  [EVILCORLEY]: I think that's true of, of many, uh, many, by the way, is that, is that, does anybody else hear Mr. Softy?
[42:39.570 --> 42:41.130]  [EVILCORLEY]: Is that, is that on your end, Alex?
[42:41.690 --> 42:42.470]  [EVILCORLEY]: I hear it too.
[42:46.490 --> 42:47.130]  [EVILCORLEY]: Out by you.
[42:49.370 --> 42:49.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: Right?
[42:50.070 --> 42:51.590]  [ALEXURBELS]: I, I don't, I don't hear it.
[42:51.810 --> 42:52.850]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, I don't hear it.
[42:53.050 --> 42:55.250]  [ALEXURBELS]: I hear it in my ears, but I don't hear it.
[42:55.970 --> 42:57.110]  [EVILCORLEY]: Kyle, could you think it's out here?
[42:57.910 --> 43:00.270]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, it might be, it might be around the block or something.
[43:00.350 --> 43:01.370]  [EVILCORLEY]: Is that where we're hearing you from?
[43:01.430 --> 43:03.830]  [EVILCORLEY]: Can we, can we, can we, uh, get, I want it.
[43:03.950 --> 43:05.870]  [EVILCORLEY]: No, no, listen, I want an ice pop, okay?
[43:06.210 --> 43:07.930]  [KYLEDROSDK]: No, my pockets are empty, man.
[43:08.110 --> 43:08.190]  [KYLEDROSDK]: No.
[43:08.590 --> 43:09.290]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I got a wood...
[43:09.290 --> 43:10.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: Dude, they take credit cards now.
[43:10.190 --> 43:10.930]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I have a wood nickel.
[43:11.670 --> 43:15.030]  [EVILCORLEY]: I really, I really need something icy today.
[43:15.730 --> 43:16.650]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, uh, okay.
[43:16.830 --> 43:18.450]  [EVILCORLEY]: Mr. Softie doesn't come around very often.
[43:19.090 --> 43:24.430]  [EVILCORLEY]: Um, all right, um, well, while we deal with that, uh, maybe we can send one of the, uh, office staff out.
[43:24.690 --> 43:28.990]  [KYLEDROSDK]: You know, I had, I had one of their, uh, uh, signature drinks.
[43:29.090 --> 43:30.530]  [KYLEDROSDK]: You turned me on to this, uh, black and white.
[43:30.590 --> 43:31.130]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I never had that.
[43:31.270 --> 43:31.570]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, yeah.
[43:31.650 --> 43:32.230]  [EVILCORLEY]: I had no idea.
[43:32.530 --> 43:34.790]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, we can't advertise products of particular brands.
[43:35.110 --> 43:36.390]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, you can get that anywhere.
[43:36.490 --> 43:38.850]  [KYLEDROSDK]: You can get that at the, the Frosty trucks too, right?
[43:38.930 --> 43:39.530]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Anybody else.
[43:39.570 --> 43:39.830]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Oh, no.
[43:40.370 --> 43:44.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: Um, Alex, check to make sure that's not on your end because, uh, it's, it's driving us a little crazy out here.
[43:45.010 --> 43:48.110]  [EVILCORLEY]: Um, speaking of violations...
[43:48.110 --> 43:52.710]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, I've been on mute, by the way, so it couldn't be on my end because I've been on mute.
[43:52.870 --> 43:53.670]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's got to be here then.
[43:54.250 --> 43:54.730]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[43:54.890 --> 43:55.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[43:55.250 --> 43:56.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, uh, we'll, we'll, we'll track this down.
[43:56.990 --> 43:58.170]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Can you turn that down?
[43:58.170 --> 43:59.410]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It's making me think about it.
[43:59.490 --> 44:01.890]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I mean, I, you're telling me not to talk about it, but...
[44:01.890 --> 44:02.090]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Uh-huh.
[44:02.470 --> 44:04.710]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, how do I, how do I turn down something that's outside?
[44:04.870 --> 44:05.330]  [EVILCORLEY]: Where's it coming?
[44:06.110 --> 44:07.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's what I've been asking.
[44:07.290 --> 44:09.670]  [EVILCORLEY]: Look, we'll, we'll look into this after the show.
[44:10.190 --> 44:12.350]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, Madison Square Garden, that's not over yet.
[44:12.350 --> 44:20.890]  [EVILCORLEY]: Um, apparently, uh, Madison Square Garden is not content, uh, to just keep track of people who work for a lawyer's offices.
[44:21.150 --> 44:24.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: Now they're keeping a list of gay celebrities who visit the venue.
[44:24.830 --> 44:25.770]  [EVILCORLEY]: Not kidding.
[44:26.430 --> 44:31.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: Madison Square Garden security may be, uh, even worse than you thought.
[44:31.430 --> 44:47.630]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, the venue has come under scrutiny in the last, um, um, year, even, even more than that, I think, uh, after, uh, multiple exposés about its surveillance system, uh, they've also, um, uh, drawn international attention for hosting Taylor Swift and, uh,
[44:47.670 --> 44:58.710]  [EVILCORLEY]: Travis Kelsey's wedding, reportedly keeping a list of LGBTQ plus celebrities who might visit the venue with a specific label indicating their gender identity or sexual orientation.
[44:58.930 --> 45:01.710]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, that's according to a Wired investigation.
[45:01.710 --> 45:05.370]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, but of course, Wired doesn't let you read their stories unless you pay them.
[45:05.510 --> 45:07.390]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, uh, we had to get it somewhere else.
[45:07.890 --> 45:28.890]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, Wired found an MSG database of venue VIPs affixed with labels that include a risk assessment that goes from, uh, flag, meaning low risk alongside labels such as low risk for celebrities, including Edie Falco, Tracy Morgan, Ben Stiller, uh, and medium risk,
[45:29.030 --> 45:33.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: uh, such as rappers Jadakus, uh, Jadakus, and, did I say it right?
[45:34.090 --> 45:34.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: Jadakus.
[45:34.670 --> 45:35.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: Jadakus.
[45:35.130 --> 45:35.490]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, I'm sorry.
[45:35.610 --> 45:41.870]  [EVILCORLEY]: And, and Fat Joe, uh, rapper Lil Jon and the Baby are reportedly considered high risk.
[45:41.970 --> 45:42.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: I could have told you that.
[45:42.930 --> 45:54.870]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, the scale often reflects whether a person has ever been publicly critical of venue owner and New York Knicks executive chairman, James Dolan, otherwise known as the jerk.
[45:56.350 --> 45:57.870]  [EVILCORLEY]: Just trying to get on the list.
[45:57.870 --> 46:10.330]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, even, uh, Nick's superfan, Fat Joe, who is a fan of Dolan, has allegedly been labeled as medium risk, uh, for his association with Jadakus, who was critical of Dolan in 2020.
[46:10.470 --> 46:17.990]  [EVILCORLEY]: So if, if you praise Dolan and then you hang out with somebody who once criticized him, that affects your score.
[46:18.130 --> 46:20.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's like that Chinese social media thing going on.
[46:20.690 --> 46:23.890]  [KYLEDROSDK]: They're in the same industry, like, in the same genre.
[46:23.890 --> 46:27.890]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Uh, how are they not going to be somewhat, uh, whatever.
[46:28.250 --> 46:30.050]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It's, this is so petty.
[46:31.110 --> 46:32.130]  [KYLEDROSDK]: This is like...
[46:32.130 --> 46:33.210]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It's worse than petty.
[46:33.430 --> 46:33.850]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It's...
[46:33.850 --> 46:35.310]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It's like a mean girl thing.
[46:35.470 --> 46:39.950]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Like, some click, like, rating people or, like, early Facebook or something.
[46:40.150 --> 46:41.050]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Like, come on.
[46:41.730 --> 46:42.770]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Get over yourself.
[46:42.770 --> 46:52.710]  [EVILCORLEY]: There are, uh, 39,539 entries in the database with names spanning the worlds of business, technology, uh, media, politics, and sports.
[46:53.090 --> 46:54.870]  [EVILCORLEY]: Many with no labels affixed.
[46:55.090 --> 47:01.570]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, however, 93 entries on the list of celebrities are marked as LGBTQIA per the report.
[47:01.810 --> 47:09.450]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, celebrities who have received the label include Ricky Martin, Phoebe Bridgers, and Geese guitarist Emily Green, who is transgender.
[47:09.450 --> 47:18.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: At least one bisexual attendee of Taylor Swift's MSG, um, wedding, Ice Spice, is also included in the document as low risk, per the report.
[47:19.050 --> 47:21.130]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, I've never met James Dolan.
[47:21.310 --> 47:27.750]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't know the higher-up leadership at Madison Square Garden, but, like, there does seem to be a bit of a pattern here.
[47:28.190 --> 47:31.650]  [EVILCORLEY]: Evan Greer, director of the digital rights group Fight for the Future.
[47:31.850 --> 47:33.750]  [EVILCORLEY]: In fact, uh, they'll be speaking at HOPE.
[47:33.750 --> 47:39.490]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, told Wired, they just seem overly interested in queer and trans people in their venue.
[47:40.210 --> 47:47.230]  [EVILCORLEY]: Greer's comments reference an earlier report that Madison Square Garden Security, under Dolan's leadership, allegedly tracked...
[47:47.230 --> 47:48.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: This is really disturbing.
[47:48.830 --> 47:54.770]  [EVILCORLEY]: They tracked a trans Knicks fan's every movement, down to the second, throughout the venue.
[47:54.950 --> 47:59.890]  [EVILCORLEY]: And ultimately, the purported aim was to keep her separated from the Knicks players.
[48:00.870 --> 48:20.990]  [EVILCORLEY]: Though the woman posed no threat, per an employee, security allegedly compiled an 18-page dossier on her, which included times she scanned her ticket, used the elevator, hugged an usher, ordered drinks, and entered the women's bathroom, as well as when she exited two minutes and five seconds later.
[48:21.530 --> 48:28.990]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't know about you, but I find this to be really disturbing and a violation of so many rights.
[48:29.750 --> 48:42.770]  [EVILCORLEY]: And they really need to feel the wrath of somebody or something for mistreating people, people who are giving James Dolan money whenever they walk through his doors.
[48:43.190 --> 48:45.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: And this is how they are treated.
[48:45.290 --> 48:46.030]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's disgusting.
[48:46.390 --> 48:47.870]  [EVILCORLEY]: It really is awful.
[48:48.090 --> 48:48.830]  [EVILCORLEY]: Alex, go ahead.
[48:50.210 --> 48:56.510]  [ALEXURBELS]: This seems to me like something that should potentially be investigated here.
[48:57.290 --> 49:12.070]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, I think in the past, the New York Attorney General has sent letters to Madison Square Garden, formally demanding that they give some kind of explanation with respect to its use of facial recognition technology.
[49:12.070 --> 49:15.330]  [ALEXURBELS]: But they get away with a lot because they are a private venue.
[49:15.330 --> 49:31.190]  [ALEXURBELS]: I think, though, that because they are on top of public infrastructure and, or rather, yeah, on top of public infrastructure and kind of all surrounded by it as well, you know, as we said a few weeks ago, I think maybe there's an argument that they should be treated differently.
[49:31.430 --> 49:50.990]  [ALEXURBELS]: But when they start acting in this really, really questionable way, really invasive way, I think the New York Attorney General is going to have to start demanding further answers to this because it does seem like they are on the verge of violating our citizens' civil rights if they haven't done so already.
[49:51.350 --> 50:11.630]  [ALEXURBELS]: But I think if you think about this in the context of what they've done in the past, their prior use of facial recognition to bar their own legal adversaries from certain events, this tracking is starting to look a lot more like some form of broader corporate ledger about who's queer,
[50:11.890 --> 50:20.830]  [ALEXURBELS]: who's critical, who's politically useful, rather than some kind of narrowly tailored, transparent safety protocol that they're claiming.
[50:22.010 --> 50:23.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, Alex, we got to cut you off there.
[50:23.710 --> 50:24.650]  [EVILCORLEY]: Unfortunately, we're out of time.
[50:25.310 --> 50:27.890]  [EVILCORLEY]: oth@2600.com is our email address.
[50:28.450 --> 50:30.210]  [EVILCORLEY]: Join us on YouTube at eight o'clock.
[50:30.410 --> 50:32.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: Follow the link on Channel2600.
[50:32.610 --> 50:33.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: Good night.
[54:53.440 --> 54:59.600]  [EVILCORLEY]: And welcome everybody on YouTube for Off The Hook Overtime.
[55:00.980 --> 55:02.020]  [EVILCORLEY]: I seem to be here.
[55:03.480 --> 55:04.500]  [EVILCORLEY]: Kyle, did you make it?
[55:04.900 --> 55:06.040]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I think I made it.
[55:06.120 --> 55:06.380]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Hi.
[55:06.720 --> 55:07.080]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[55:08.480 --> 55:10.340]  [EVILCORLEY]: You left Mr. Softy behind, I think.
[55:10.980 --> 55:12.540]  [EVILCORLEY]: Alex, are you out there somewhere?
[55:13.340 --> 55:14.380]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, I just made it.
[55:14.440 --> 55:18.940]  [ALEXURBELS]: I was just riding my bicycle with Rebel and we just got back.
[55:19.460 --> 55:21.220]  [EVILCORLEY]: You sure you want to go down that road?
[55:21.220 --> 55:24.860]  [EVILCORLEY]: Because he's going to call, you know, he's going to call.
[55:25.420 --> 55:25.720]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[55:25.900 --> 55:29.880]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, I think the best shows are the ones that are most adversarial as far as conditions.
[55:30.720 --> 55:33.400]  [EVILCORLEY]: And boy, this one takes the cake.
[55:33.500 --> 55:34.700]  [EVILCORLEY]: I got to say, it's hot.
[55:35.900 --> 55:41.520]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's getting darker outside, but I'm not sure if that's because of the smoke or the end of the day.
[55:43.420 --> 55:46.280]  [EVILCORLEY]: You sound like you're a memory in my head right now.
[55:46.420 --> 55:47.840]  [EVILCORLEY]: You sure you want to go down that road?
[55:47.960 --> 55:49.060]  [EVILCORLEY]: Why am I hearing me?
[55:49.480 --> 55:50.340]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, we're on YouTube.
[55:50.880 --> 55:54.120]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, you're... Kyle, you're telling us that we're on YouTube.
[55:55.360 --> 55:57.100]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, can you turn us off now?
[55:57.260 --> 56:00.340]  [EVILCORLEY]: Not take us off YouTube, but I don't want to hear myself anymore.
[56:01.120 --> 56:02.300]  [EVILCORLEY]: Now I know how people feel.
[56:03.620 --> 56:04.380]  [EVILCORLEY]: Alex, are you there?
[56:06.100 --> 56:06.960]  [ALEXURBELS]: I am indeed.
[56:07.220 --> 56:07.660]  [ALEXURBELS]: Okay, great.
[56:07.900 --> 56:08.900]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, I'm here.
[56:09.020 --> 56:09.540]  [ALEXURBELS]: I'm welcome.
[56:09.540 --> 56:11.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's, you know, we got a fan going.
[56:11.940 --> 56:12.940]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's uncomfortable.
[56:13.940 --> 56:15.040]  [EVILCORLEY]: Let's try and get through this.
[56:15.140 --> 56:16.640]  [EVILCORLEY]: And of course, we don't have Rob and Gila.
[56:17.080 --> 56:20.400]  [EVILCORLEY]: So Gila is the one who keeps track of the channel.
[56:20.900 --> 56:22.280]  [EVILCORLEY]: So right now it's a free-for-all.
[56:22.460 --> 56:32.060]  [EVILCORLEY]: And you guys can, you know, try and behave yourselves and prove that you are mature enough to be unsupervised for a little while, because I'm sure as hell not looking at what you're saying.
[56:33.200 --> 56:34.220]  [EVILCORLEY]: I make it a rule.
[56:34.340 --> 56:35.940]  [EVILCORLEY]: Don't look at a chat while you're doing radio.
[56:36.280 --> 56:37.880]  [EVILCORLEY]: I think that makes for better radio.
[56:38.320 --> 56:39.800]  [EVILCORLEY]: And probably a better chat, too.
[56:41.340 --> 56:45.980]  [EVILCORLEY]: So what we're going to do is try and make this as normal as possible, maybe a little bit shorter than usual.
[56:46.120 --> 56:46.460]  [EVILCORLEY]: Who knows?
[56:48.340 --> 56:50.100]  [EVILCORLEY]: And open up phone lines at some point.
[56:50.200 --> 56:55.260]  [EVILCORLEY]: But first, I'm opening up the floor if people want to say anything in addition to the...
[56:55.260 --> 56:59.200]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm sorry I had to cut you off, Alex, because you were on a roll, but we ran out of time.
[56:59.840 --> 57:01.060]  [ALEXURBELS]: I didn't realize.
[57:01.300 --> 57:02.840]  [ALEXURBELS]: You know, time flies when you're having fun.
[57:02.960 --> 57:04.600]  [ALEXURBELS]: Tempest fugitives, as they say.
[57:06.320 --> 57:08.720]  [ALEXURBELS]: What was I going to say, speaking of saying things?
[57:08.920 --> 57:09.780]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm not going to...
[57:09.780 --> 57:11.300]  [EVILCORLEY]: You have to remember on your own.
[57:11.900 --> 57:13.080]  [ALEXURBELS]: I was getting reports.
[57:13.220 --> 57:15.620]  [ALEXURBELS]: I can't see the skylight right now, but...
[57:16.440 --> 57:30.920]  [ALEXURBELS]: I'm getting reports from friends and listeners of the show that the Manhattan skyline, if you're looking from Queens over towards Manhattan, which would be looking west, that it looks positively apocalyptic at the moment.
[57:31.140 --> 57:34.700]  [EVILCORLEY]: So how is it that you were telling us that you didn't notice anything amiss?
[57:35.100 --> 57:40.000]  [EVILCORLEY]: Am I to believe that when the apocalypse comes, you're just not even going to be aware of it?
[57:40.840 --> 57:41.760]  [ALEXURBELS]: I might not.
[57:41.960 --> 57:43.640]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, I fall asleep really quickly.
[57:43.960 --> 57:47.820]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, you're either somebody I want to hang out with in the apocalypse or somebody I don't want to hang out with.
[57:47.820 --> 57:50.780]  [EVILCORLEY]: We'll figure that out, depending on what kind of apocalypse it is.
[57:50.780 --> 57:54.080]  [ALEXURBELS]: I don't sense or feel anything any different than I usually do.
[57:54.160 --> 57:55.420]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, it's just hot and muggy.
[57:55.480 --> 58:01.360]  [ALEXURBELS]: And actually, it isn't even that hot and muggy right now because of the fact that there was rain a little while ago.
[58:01.360 --> 58:02.920]  [ALEXURBELS]: So that took a lot of the humidity out.
[58:04.100 --> 58:06.500]  [ALEXURBELS]: But, yeah, I think it's otherwise okay.
[58:08.200 --> 58:08.600]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[58:11.580 --> 58:15.080]  [ALEXURBELS]: So should we open up the phone call, the phone lines earlier?
[58:15.080 --> 58:19.100]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yes, the phone lines are ready, and there are 32 people in the chat, as far as I can tell.
[58:19.260 --> 58:19.880]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Okay, all right.
[58:19.880 --> 58:24.100]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I'm not really looking at it, but I will sort of look at it if I have time.
[58:24.100 --> 58:25.240]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm not looking at it at all.
[58:25.240 --> 58:27.080]  [KYLEDROSDK]: If I have time, but the phone line is ready yet.
[58:27.220 --> 58:28.060]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, no, it's not.
[58:28.300 --> 58:29.680]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Oh, no, you're not ready with the phone.
[58:29.900 --> 58:31.260]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm the one that turns it on.
[58:31.420 --> 58:34.280]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Well, it's physically, like, here.
[58:34.680 --> 58:35.840]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, well, that's good to know.
[58:36.640 --> 58:38.380]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm not turning on a phone line that doesn't exist.
[58:38.380 --> 58:39.020]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's wonderful.
[58:39.560 --> 58:40.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: But it's not on yet.
[58:40.700 --> 58:41.220]  [EVILCORLEY]: It will be on.
[58:41.520 --> 58:43.760]  [EVILCORLEY]: Maybe somebody can get off the phone number first.
[58:44.000 --> 58:47.340]  [EVILCORLEY]: Then it'll turn on when the last digit is spoken, as is our tradition.
[58:49.040 --> 58:49.340]  [ALEXURBELS]: All right.
[58:49.380 --> 58:50.380]  [ALEXURBELS]: I could do that.
[58:51.500 --> 58:52.420]  [ALEXURBELS]: Have at it.
[58:52.460 --> 58:53.300]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Have at it, Alex.
[58:53.400 --> 58:53.680]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Go ahead.
[58:55.580 --> 58:56.340]  [ALEXURBELS]: It is...
[58:56.340 --> 58:58.440]  [ALEXURBELS]: Should we do it as a math equation this time?
[58:58.620 --> 58:59.900]  [ALEXURBELS]: So you've got to...
[58:59.900 --> 59:02.860]  [EVILCORLEY]: How much do you want to annoy people tonight, Alex?
[59:03.760 --> 59:05.160]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, I'm going for it.
[59:05.200 --> 59:06.480]  [ALEXURBELS]: I think I'm going to go for it today.
[59:06.740 --> 59:07.600]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, this could be it.
[59:07.600 --> 59:08.200]  [ALEXURBELS]: It's 8...
[59:08.900 --> 59:09.600]  [ALEXURBELS]: Oh, there we go.
[59:09.780 --> 59:09.800]  [ALEXURBELS]: Okay.
[59:13.640 --> 59:17.380]  [ALEXURBELS]: 802-249-3225.
[59:18.160 --> 59:18.520]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's...
[59:18.520 --> 59:18.680]  [ALEXURBELS]: Wait.
[59:18.820 --> 59:19.920]  [ALEXURBELS]: I almost forgot it there.
[59:19.920 --> 59:21.120]  [EVILCORLEY]: You f*cked it up, man.
[59:21.640 --> 59:21.860]  [ALEXURBELS]: Did I?
[59:22.060 --> 59:23.720]  [ALEXURBELS]: 802-321-4225.
[59:23.740 --> 59:24.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: You said 249.
[59:25.880 --> 59:26.700]  [ALEXURBELS]: Oh, my God.
[59:26.800 --> 59:27.260]  [ALEXURBELS]: That was...
[59:27.260 --> 59:28.080]  [ALEXURBELS]: I'm sorry.
[59:28.300 --> 59:28.540]  [ALEXURBELS]: That...
[59:28.540 --> 59:28.660]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[59:28.840 --> 59:29.900]  [ALEXURBELS]: I totally screwed that up.
[59:29.900 --> 59:30.520]  [ALEXURBELS]: Well, what number is that?
[59:30.560 --> 59:31.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's 249.
[59:31.860 --> 59:32.680]  [EVILCORLEY]: Now I've got to call that number.
[59:32.720 --> 59:33.720]  [ALEXURBELS]: Nah, don't worry about it.
[59:33.720 --> 59:34.940]  [ALEXURBELS]: No, I ain't going to worry about it.
[59:34.960 --> 59:36.640]  [EVILCORLEY]: I've got to find out what that's all about.
[59:36.640 --> 59:37.300]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[59:37.560 --> 59:39.920]  [ALEXURBELS]: You know, there is an 802-249 exchange.
[59:40.160 --> 59:42.960]  [EVILCORLEY]: Are you on a different radio show with a different 800 number?
[59:43.180 --> 59:44.020]  [EVILCORLEY]: Or 802 number, rather?
[59:44.700 --> 59:47.960]  [ALEXURBELS]: You know, I have an 802 number myself, by the way.
[59:48.220 --> 59:50.080]  [EVILCORLEY]: Did you just give out your phone number?
[59:51.600 --> 59:52.620]  [ALEXURBELS]: No, I did not.
[59:52.620 --> 59:54.380]  [EVILCORLEY]: I've heard people do that on the radio.
[59:54.560 --> 59:57.220]  [EVILCORLEY]: They give out their own phone number because they're used to doing that.
[59:57.920 --> 59:58.680]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's really funny.
[59:58.680 --> 59:59.640]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, oh my God.
[01:00:00.080 --> 01:00:01.120]  [EVILCORLEY]: Let's try this again.
[01:00:01.760 --> 01:00:04.460]  [EVILCORLEY]: Boy, it all falls apart when Gila's not here to hold us together.
[01:00:04.480 --> 01:00:04.800]  [ALEXURBELS]: Well, you know what?
[01:00:05.060 --> 01:00:05.860]  [ALEXURBELS]: It's on...
[01:00:05.860 --> 01:00:08.720]  [ALEXURBELS]: I see it on the YouTube background at the moment, too.
[01:00:08.860 --> 01:00:10.420]  [ALEXURBELS]: So it's going to be much easier for me.
[01:00:10.700 --> 01:00:13.500]  [ALEXURBELS]: 802-321-4225.
[01:00:14.100 --> 01:00:16.620]  [EVILCORLEY]: And just like that, the phone line is active.
[01:00:16.860 --> 01:00:18.020]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's ringing immediately.
[01:00:18.540 --> 01:00:24.440]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It does help to have Gila, but we will surely have her back in the future.
[01:00:24.640 --> 01:00:24.900]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:00:25.240 --> 01:00:26.120]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, I guess...
[01:00:26.120 --> 01:00:27.140]  [KYLEDROSDK]: We are ready to take this call.
[01:00:27.380 --> 01:00:27.700]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[01:00:27.820 --> 01:00:31.200]  [EVILCORLEY]: This might be a friend of yours, Alex, but let's say hello.
[01:00:31.420 --> 01:00:33.060]  [EVILCORLEY]: You're on Off The Hook Overtime.
[01:00:33.140 --> 01:00:33.420]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead.
[01:00:34.420 --> 01:00:35.100]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Hello, guys.
[01:00:35.240 --> 01:00:35.640]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: It's Howard.
[01:00:36.160 --> 01:00:37.360]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I'll say hello to you, Val Yola.
[01:00:37.560 --> 01:00:38.620]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I'll say hello to Alex.
[01:00:39.100 --> 01:00:42.280]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: First thing, Alex, congratulations on getting it to have radio.
[01:00:43.340 --> 01:00:44.600]  [ALEXURBELS]: Oh, well, thank you very much.
[01:00:44.680 --> 01:00:45.800]  [ALEXURBELS]: Good to hear your voice, my friend.
[01:00:46.620 --> 01:00:51.420]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Yeah, by the way, if you could look me up, get a hold of me.
[01:00:51.560 --> 01:00:53.440]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I'll give you the information for my repeater.
[01:00:53.560 --> 01:00:56.680]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: We have AllStar, and that's like the Internet.
[01:00:56.860 --> 01:01:00.040]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: You can come in using your iPhone, have access to the repeater.
[01:01:00.060 --> 01:01:02.380]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I'd love to have you and your son use my repeater system.
[01:01:03.300 --> 01:01:04.440]  [ALEXURBELS]: Oh, that would be awesome.
[01:01:04.540 --> 01:01:05.120]  [ALEXURBELS]: I would love that.
[01:01:05.220 --> 01:01:05.880]  [ALEXURBELS]: That would be very cool.
[01:01:05.940 --> 01:01:06.520]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's kind of you.
[01:01:06.600 --> 01:01:06.960]  [ALEXURBELS]: Thank you.
[01:01:07.980 --> 01:01:10.820]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Yeah, my call is a WB2HWW.
[01:01:11.460 --> 01:01:13.060]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: That's my ham call to the repeater.
[01:01:13.200 --> 01:01:15.660]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: It's in Queens, and it's on a 30-story building.
[01:01:15.800 --> 01:01:16.920]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: It has city-wide coverage.
[01:01:17.380 --> 01:01:21.340]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: With a backpack or anything, anywhere in the city, you should have no trouble hitting a repeater.
[01:01:23.180 --> 01:01:23.640]  [ALEXURBELS]: Awesome.
[01:01:24.040 --> 01:01:24.860]  [ALEXURBELS]: I love it.
[01:01:24.920 --> 01:01:25.340]  [ALEXURBELS]: That is great.
[01:01:25.460 --> 01:01:26.540]  [ALEXURBELS]: That is very kind of you.
[01:01:26.820 --> 01:01:27.640]  [ALEXURBELS]: Very, very cool.
[01:01:27.720 --> 01:01:31.800]  [ALEXURBELS]: I'm really looking forward to getting into ham radio and learning more about it.
[01:01:31.920 --> 01:01:36.500]  [ALEXURBELS]: I just need the time to sit down and sit with the study guide.
[01:01:36.680 --> 01:01:39.960]  [ALEXURBELS]: Do you think there's any good study guides for the ham radio thing?
[01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:42.380]  [ALEXURBELS]: Because I just see a whole bunch of questions and things.
[01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:48.320]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Any of the stuff from the league, and there's another guy out in California now having a brain fart.
[01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:50.120]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: There's any of them.
[01:01:50.300 --> 01:01:51.520]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: And there's a couple of them.
[01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:53.060]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: They have apps.
[01:01:53.060 --> 01:01:55.720]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: So you can just pay for it, like $5.
[01:01:55.860 --> 01:01:58.640]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: And you can just take the example test.
[01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:01.840]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: If you're going for the technician license, it's pretty easy.
[01:02:01.900 --> 01:02:03.540]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: You probably can learn that in a weekend.
[01:02:03.540 --> 01:02:06.520]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: And you're going for your tech, or you're going for the general?
[01:02:08.620 --> 01:02:09.180]  [ALEXURBELS]: Very cool.
[01:02:09.280 --> 01:02:09.540]  [ALEXURBELS]: Very cool.
[01:02:09.620 --> 01:02:11.480]  [ALEXURBELS]: Now, let me ask you, how long have you been ham radio?
[01:02:11.480 --> 01:02:12.880]  [ALEXURBELS]: He asked you a question, Alex.
[01:02:13.040 --> 01:02:13.520]  [ALEXURBELS]: He asked you a question.
[01:02:13.520 --> 01:02:13.680]  [ALEXURBELS]: Oh, I'm sorry.
[01:02:13.880 --> 01:02:14.740]  [ALEXURBELS]: I didn't catch that.
[01:02:14.840 --> 01:02:16.340]  [ALEXURBELS]: It was breaking up on me for a second.
[01:02:16.340 --> 01:02:17.200]  [ALEXURBELS]: Could you repeat the question?
[01:02:18.180 --> 01:02:21.300]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I asked you, going for the technician, which was the entry class?
[01:02:21.720 --> 01:02:22.400]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Oh, yes.
[01:02:22.740 --> 01:02:23.420]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Or the general?
[01:02:23.600 --> 01:02:23.820]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yes.
[01:02:24.880 --> 01:02:26.520]  [ALEXURBELS]: No, I think the technician.
[01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:32.840]  [ALEXURBELS]: But I'm going to go for the entry one first, and then make my way forward, or upwards from there.
[01:02:32.840 --> 01:02:41.980]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Well, I've been licensed, let me see, I got licensed in the end of 67, going into 68, when I was like 13 years old.
[01:02:42.100 --> 01:02:45.520]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: So, I've been licensed over 60 years, or close to it.
[01:02:46.040 --> 01:02:48.720]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I owned an extra class, the highest class license.
[01:02:48.920 --> 01:02:52.560]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: So, you know, I've been playing with radio since I was a kid, when we had two.
[01:02:53.560 --> 01:02:54.620]  [ALEXURBELS]: Oh, my goodness.
[01:02:54.780 --> 01:02:55.380]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's amazing.
[01:02:55.400 --> 01:03:00.580]  [ALEXURBELS]: A 60-something-year licensed ham radio operator that we have online.
[01:03:00.680 --> 01:03:01.580]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's extraordinary.
[01:03:01.580 --> 01:03:04.160]  [ALEXURBELS]: So, you've seen, I mean, real progress.
[01:03:04.160 --> 01:03:07.320]  [ALEXURBELS]: You said you started out, and there were vacuum tubes on the radios?
[01:03:08.320 --> 01:03:13.820]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Yeah, like 6L-6s, and big glass tubes, and rectifier tubes, and...
[01:03:14.420 --> 01:03:14.860]  [ALEXURBELS]: Unbelievable.
[01:03:15.980 --> 01:03:17.940]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: You know, I was playing around when...
[01:03:17.940 --> 01:03:30.540]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I first got on radio when I was nine years old, using a walkie-talkie on CB, and then I got into CB with tubes, and then I got into my ham license two years later, when I was 13 years old.
[01:03:31.940 --> 01:03:32.840]  [ALEXURBELS]: Oh, my goodness.
[01:03:32.960 --> 01:03:33.400]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's incredible.
[01:03:33.700 --> 01:03:34.840]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's amazing.
[01:03:35.140 --> 01:03:37.920]  [ALEXURBELS]: So, what was it about radio that drew you in?
[01:03:38.020 --> 01:03:39.220]  [ALEXURBELS]: Was it first using the CB?
[01:03:39.460 --> 01:03:40.540]  [ALEXURBELS]: Was it the technology?
[01:03:40.740 --> 01:03:41.420]  [ALEXURBELS]: What was it?
[01:03:42.280 --> 01:03:45.720]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I'll tell you exactly what happened, and I want to tell you why I really called.
[01:03:46.420 --> 01:03:50.420]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: When I was about nine years old, we were at Alexander.
[01:03:50.420 --> 01:03:54.460]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I don't know if any of you guys know it, that the old Alexander's up on Queen Boulevard.
[01:03:56.060 --> 01:03:58.600]  [EVILCORLEY]: By the round Macy's, right?
[01:03:59.360 --> 01:04:00.080]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: That's correct.
[01:04:00.220 --> 01:04:01.980]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: By the round Macy's, right near the...
[01:04:01.980 --> 01:04:04.760]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: There was a parking lot behind it, and there were some buildings.
[01:04:05.060 --> 01:04:06.900]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: And I was there, and there was two guys.
[01:04:07.260 --> 01:04:08.440]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: There was a husband and one.
[01:04:08.560 --> 01:04:10.180]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: They were on these big walkie-talkies.
[01:04:10.700 --> 01:04:13.340]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: And I told my father, I wanted one of those.
[01:04:13.520 --> 01:04:15.660]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: The next thing I knew, he came home that night.
[01:04:15.780 --> 01:04:17.240]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: It surprised me and my sister.
[01:04:17.540 --> 01:04:23.440]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: But two walkie-talkies in Jamaica, at the old Lafayette store that was in Jamaica, Queens.
[01:04:25.320 --> 01:04:26.780]  [ALEXURBELS]: Now, I have to ask you this.
[01:04:26.900 --> 01:04:30.680]  [ALEXURBELS]: Why was a husband and wife using walkie-talkies?
[01:04:30.820 --> 01:04:31.640]  [ALEXURBELS]: Do you have any idea?
[01:04:32.040 --> 01:04:32.940]  [ALEXURBELS]: Was that intriguing?
[01:04:32.940 --> 01:04:33.900]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Yeah, I remember.
[01:04:34.160 --> 01:04:37.260]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: They would keep me track of each other to see where they were in the store.
[01:04:37.440 --> 01:04:40.500]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: One person was on one floor, and the other person was on another floor.
[01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:44.760]  [ALEXURBELS]: Oh, they used walkie-talkies for this.
[01:04:44.980 --> 01:04:47.040]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's pretty interesting.
[01:04:48.060 --> 01:04:52.180]  [ALEXURBELS]: That wasn't a really common thing that people would do, was it, back then?
[01:04:53.240 --> 01:04:54.020]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Not really.
[01:04:54.680 --> 01:04:56.740]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: And they had a CV in their car.
[01:04:56.820 --> 01:04:57.920]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: The guy was telling me that.
[01:04:58.600 --> 01:05:01.160]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: And my father surprised me and bought a radio.
[01:05:01.160 --> 01:05:03.160]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: And I had a pair of walkie-talkies.
[01:05:03.320 --> 01:05:04.700]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: And the rest is history.
[01:05:04.880 --> 01:05:06.900]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I got an engineering degree and all of that stuff.
[01:05:08.480 --> 01:05:08.960]  [ALEXURBELS]: Amazing.
[01:05:09.260 --> 01:05:09.480]  [ALEXURBELS]: Amazing.
[01:05:09.800 --> 01:05:12.420]  [ALEXURBELS]: Did you get into other types of radio, like shortwave?
[01:05:13.360 --> 01:05:18.000]  [ALEXURBELS]: Are you just kind of a general radio enthusiast in all spectrums?
[01:05:18.460 --> 01:05:20.400]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I had a Helicraft SS-85.
[01:05:20.880 --> 01:05:25.640]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I used to love to listen to Voice of America, listen to Radio Moscow.
[01:05:26.120 --> 01:05:27.560]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I used to listen to hams.
[01:05:28.040 --> 01:05:30.000]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: That's how I learned about ham radio.
[01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:34.840]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Because right as I got walkie-talkies, I went out aboard to see shortwave radio.
[01:05:35.080 --> 01:05:37.680]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I used radio that my father bought for me.
[01:05:37.840 --> 01:05:38.840]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: And that was $35.
[01:05:39.260 --> 01:05:41.220]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: And that was in 1966.
[01:05:42.480 --> 01:05:43.240]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Wow, wow.
[01:05:43.960 --> 01:05:45.500]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I was into CVs.
[01:05:45.500 --> 01:05:48.780]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I was into ham radio stuff.
[01:05:49.480 --> 01:05:49.980]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: And it's been a great...
[01:05:49.980 --> 01:05:50.920]  [ALEXURBELS]: Now, let me ask you this.
[01:05:52.120 --> 01:05:53.800]  [ALEXURBELS]: Let me ask you this about the shortwave.
[01:05:55.160 --> 01:05:56.780]  [ALEXURBELS]: You've been listening to shortwave for a long time.
[01:05:56.860 --> 01:05:59.520]  [ALEXURBELS]: Did you ever just accidentally stumble on any of the number stations?
[01:06:00.780 --> 01:06:01.140]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Absolutely.
[01:06:01.640 --> 01:06:02.640]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: All those number stations.
[01:06:03.180 --> 01:06:04.380]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: They knew what they wanted.
[01:06:04.600 --> 01:06:05.780]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: They would give five letter codes.
[01:06:05.920 --> 01:06:07.040]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: They used to listen to those.
[01:06:07.500 --> 01:06:08.960]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: And then I remembered a woodpecker.
[01:06:09.080 --> 01:06:10.280]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Do you know what a woodpecker is?
[01:06:11.620 --> 01:06:12.640]  [ALEXURBELS]: I do not.
[01:06:12.780 --> 01:06:13.200]  [ALEXURBELS]: Oh, my God.
[01:06:13.380 --> 01:06:14.680]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, I do know what the animal is.
[01:06:14.760 --> 01:06:15.680]  [ALEXURBELS]: I know what the animal is.
[01:06:15.860 --> 01:06:16.640]  [ALEXURBELS]: No, the woodpecker radio.
[01:06:16.940 --> 01:06:18.140]  [EVILCORLEY]: All my children know this.
[01:06:18.300 --> 01:06:19.200]  [EVILCORLEY]: No, it was...
[01:06:19.200 --> 01:06:20.500]  [EVILCORLEY]: Was it the Soviet Union?
[01:06:20.660 --> 01:06:26.200]  [EVILCORLEY]: It was somebody who just was doing a woodpecker sound to jam a radio broadcast, right?
[01:06:26.740 --> 01:06:28.100]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: That was a woodpecker.
[01:06:28.180 --> 01:06:28.840]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: There were two of those.
[01:06:29.220 --> 01:06:29.600]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Wow.
[01:06:29.660 --> 01:06:36.980]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Some of those were all over the horizon radar by the Soviets, but some of them would come in and jam ports of America or jam the BBC.
[01:06:37.520 --> 01:06:38.600]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Yeah, that was a woodpecker.
[01:06:38.800 --> 01:06:42.060]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: It would be on 40 meters or in the 41 meter band.
[01:06:42.060 --> 01:06:45.560]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Yeah, I loved listening to all of that stuff.
[01:06:46.100 --> 01:06:47.140]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I learned a lot about history.
[01:06:47.260 --> 01:06:48.880]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I used to listen to Radio Prague.
[01:06:49.240 --> 01:06:54.900]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I used to listen to Chinese radio, Cuba, all of that stuff.
[01:06:55.300 --> 01:06:57.640]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I had a lot of fun with a kid growing up.
[01:06:57.800 --> 01:07:01.360]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I had a piece of wire about 30 foot long and tuned in the world.
[01:07:02.660 --> 01:07:03.060]  [ALEXURBELS]: Amazing.
[01:07:03.900 --> 01:07:07.400]  [ALEXURBELS]: It's extraordinary, right, how all of a sudden the world is open to you.
[01:07:07.620 --> 01:07:08.880]  [ALEXURBELS]: So let me ask you this, then.
[01:07:08.880 --> 01:07:19.360]  [ALEXURBELS]: What was your take on that story that came out recently when the United States first attacked Iran and there was that jammer frequency on shortwave that was detected?
[01:07:19.440 --> 01:07:21.780]  [ALEXURBELS]: Do you recall that story?
[01:07:22.560 --> 01:07:23.980]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Not really.
[01:07:24.400 --> 01:07:25.260]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Not really.
[01:07:25.360 --> 01:07:26.800]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Just so much stuff going on.
[01:07:27.320 --> 01:07:32.820]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: But should I send an email to oth@2600.com?
[01:07:33.080 --> 01:07:35.460]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Is that what I should do and I can leave my phone number?
[01:07:36.360 --> 01:07:37.080]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Yeah, absolutely.
[01:07:37.360 --> 01:07:38.260]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yep, we'll get that.
[01:07:38.360 --> 01:07:39.260]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's perfect.
[01:07:39.440 --> 01:07:40.060]  [ALEXURBELS]: I will get that.
[01:07:40.420 --> 01:07:40.780]  [ALEXURBELS]: Absolutely.
[01:07:41.420 --> 01:07:42.120]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Give me a phone call.
[01:07:42.240 --> 01:07:43.240]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I'll give you the information.
[01:07:44.840 --> 01:07:49.800]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: When you get your ham ticket, you and your son, I welcome you to repeat it.
[01:07:50.260 --> 01:07:53.840]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: And you could be, you know, you could be in New York and he could be anywhere.
[01:07:54.000 --> 01:07:56.780]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: If you've got an iPhone or an Android, you've got the app.
[01:07:56.780 --> 01:07:59.540]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: And you could come in on the voiceover IP.
[01:08:00.800 --> 01:08:02.400]  [ALEXURBELS]: That would be fantastic.
[01:08:02.400 --> 01:08:03.960]  [ALEXURBELS]: I would absolutely love that.
[01:08:04.080 --> 01:08:04.680]  [ALEXURBELS]: I would love that.
[01:08:04.780 --> 01:08:05.580]  [ALEXURBELS]: Let's do it.
[01:08:06.040 --> 01:08:07.840]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: For voiceover in that phone call.
[01:08:08.240 --> 01:08:10.220]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Okay, here's what I really called about.
[01:08:10.520 --> 01:08:11.560]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Just want to let you know.
[01:08:11.820 --> 01:08:17.940]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I signed up for Grok, which is the AI by you-know-who.
[01:08:18.700 --> 01:08:22.420]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: And basically, I've been ripped off because it doesn't work.
[01:08:22.420 --> 01:08:27.420]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: It worked for a couple of months, and now, when you go to it, you can't ask it any questions.
[01:08:27.720 --> 01:08:29.460]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: It says, do you want to tell me a story?
[01:08:29.460 --> 01:08:31.160]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: A lot of people are complaining about it.
[01:08:31.220 --> 01:08:36.940]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: If you go to Reddit or X or other platforms, they really messed it up.
[01:08:37.080 --> 01:08:40.040]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: And they're giving everybody a hard time trying to get their money back.
[01:08:40.380 --> 01:08:43.320]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I signed up for their $30 a month deal.
[01:08:44.900 --> 01:08:48.920]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I'm canceling because I'm not going to pay $30 for something that doesn't work.
[01:08:51.300 --> 01:08:54.140]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, what is this again that you got?
[01:08:55.220 --> 01:08:55.660]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Grok.
[01:08:55.860 --> 01:08:56.960]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: You know that Grok?
[01:08:57.040 --> 01:08:57.700]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: G-R-O-K?
[01:08:58.040 --> 01:08:58.480]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh.
[01:09:00.040 --> 01:09:02.300]  [EVILCORLEY]: From X or Twitter or whatever it's called, right?
[01:09:02.940 --> 01:09:04.220]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Yeah, from Beyond Look, whatever.
[01:09:04.620 --> 01:09:04.920]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Yeah.
[01:09:05.160 --> 01:09:06.280]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: And it was really great.
[01:09:06.380 --> 01:09:08.440]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: You could tell the stories and stuff like that.
[01:09:08.840 --> 01:09:10.400]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Somebody took away the Internet.
[01:09:10.700 --> 01:09:11.220]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: They took the...
[01:09:11.220 --> 01:09:13.200]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: It doesn't work anymore.
[01:09:14.440 --> 01:09:24.640]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Do you know if there's a class action or any kind of recourse that people have been trying No, but if you go on the Internet, you see a lot of people complaining.
[01:09:24.980 --> 01:09:29.580]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: And they're saying it's because you're going so fast.
[01:09:30.020 --> 01:09:36.800]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: You know, they had, for a while it was free, and then you had to start paying for it because they put limitations.
[01:09:37.100 --> 01:09:40.040]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: And now there are people that have three classes of service.
[01:09:40.160 --> 01:09:44.900]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: A free service, the $30 a month service, or the $300 a month service.
[01:09:45.220 --> 01:09:47.680]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: And the $300 a month service isn't working.
[01:09:47.940 --> 01:09:49.040]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: People are screaming.
[01:09:49.320 --> 01:09:51.920]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: A lot of people have done chargebacks.
[01:09:52.320 --> 01:09:55.200]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: And if you do a chargeback, you're bad for life.
[01:09:55.380 --> 01:09:56.940]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: They won't let you ever sign up again.
[01:09:57.860 --> 01:10:01.480]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And can you tell me, is there a sort of a contractual duration?
[01:10:01.820 --> 01:10:04.480]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Is it like a long-term thing, or is it just month to month?
[01:10:04.600 --> 01:10:06.760]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Can you cancel, or do you have to have...
[01:10:06.760 --> 01:10:09.440]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: You can cancel anytime you want to, apparently.
[01:10:09.940 --> 01:10:11.120]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Because Apple says it.
[01:10:11.220 --> 01:10:12.820]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Apple basically controls it.
[01:10:12.900 --> 01:10:13.840]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Yeah, you can cancel.
[01:10:14.420 --> 01:10:16.500]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: But it all depends on how you sign up.
[01:10:16.600 --> 01:10:20.360]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: If you sign up, you can sign up for one year and get a slight discount.
[01:10:20.700 --> 01:10:23.960]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: So if you sign up, you pay maybe $270 instead of $300.
[01:10:23.960 --> 01:10:26.960]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: And I feel sorry for the guys who pay $3,000.
[01:10:27.120 --> 01:10:29.660]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: You know, pay 10 months at $300.
[01:10:30.020 --> 01:10:31.280]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: And they're getting really screwed.
[01:10:33.100 --> 01:10:33.880]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's interesting.
[01:10:34.080 --> 01:10:43.180]  [ALEXURBELS]: I wonder if it's some kind of toppling over of the model, or something affecting the model itself, or if it's just an availability issue.
[01:10:43.360 --> 01:10:45.520]  [ALEXURBELS]: Maybe there's too much there's too many issues.
[01:10:45.760 --> 01:10:50.820]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: And the app has been crashing because they're trying to change it every... It's sad because I really do like it.
[01:10:51.000 --> 01:10:55.880]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I think AI used properly cannot be a good thing for someone who's blind.
[01:10:56.100 --> 01:11:01.280]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I was using it where I would take out a bottle of medicine and ask it, it would tell me what it is.
[01:11:01.580 --> 01:11:02.060]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[01:11:02.060 --> 01:11:03.040]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Using all the information.
[01:11:03.340 --> 01:11:06.620]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: So there are good things for AI, if you use it appropriately.
[01:11:06.620 --> 01:11:07.220]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh-huh.
[01:11:08.200 --> 01:11:09.340]  [EVILCORLEY]: Hey, you guys want to hear a woodpecker?
[01:11:10.480 --> 01:11:11.280]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Yeah, let's do it.
[01:11:13.820 --> 01:11:16.920]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Well, Alex, I'm going to let you guys go, but I just think it is.
[01:11:17.120 --> 01:11:19.620]  [EVILCORLEY]: See, you can't hear them at all because of the woodpecker.
[01:11:21.040 --> 01:11:21.360]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Yeah.
[01:11:21.780 --> 01:11:22.640]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Oh, woodpecker.
[01:11:22.740 --> 01:11:24.300]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: So you know what a woodpecker is, okay?
[01:11:24.640 --> 01:11:24.900]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:11:25.160 --> 01:11:25.740]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's a lot of fun.
[01:11:25.820 --> 01:11:31.200]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: You're in the 41 meter band, around 7.5, 7.4 megahertz.
[01:11:31.400 --> 01:11:31.620]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Wow.
[01:11:31.620 --> 01:11:33.200]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: And you know what just went off the air?
[01:11:33.520 --> 01:11:38.300]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: On 7.235, 7.235 with WCHQ.
[01:11:38.660 --> 01:11:40.300]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: That was the Canadian time clock.
[01:11:40.780 --> 01:11:41.400]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, yeah.
[01:11:41.400 --> 01:11:42.260]  [EVILCORLEY]: I heard about that.
[01:11:42.280 --> 01:11:43.660]  [EVILCORLEY]: I like that time station.
[01:11:44.280 --> 01:11:45.480]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm sad about that.
[01:11:45.660 --> 01:11:48.040]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I used to listen to that all day sometimes, right now.
[01:11:48.200 --> 01:11:49.840]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Just get mesmerized by it.
[01:11:49.880 --> 01:11:52.120]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: It would tell you the time, and it'd go beep, beep, beep.
[01:11:52.300 --> 01:11:52.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh-huh.
[01:11:52.580 --> 01:11:53.420]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: That's the time.
[01:11:53.620 --> 01:11:58.440]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: It's 7 o'clock, and it'll give you the, you know, the universal time.
[01:11:58.740 --> 01:12:00.680]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: It was in French, too, I think.
[01:12:00.680 --> 01:12:01.060]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: In Canada.
[01:12:01.420 --> 01:12:01.860]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh-huh.
[01:12:02.080 --> 01:12:02.260]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:12:03.000 --> 01:12:04.080]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, things are disappearing.
[01:12:04.260 --> 01:12:08.180]  [EVILCORLEY]: They just got rid of some long-wave stations, too, in England, so I'm sad about that.
[01:12:09.540 --> 01:12:11.640]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Yeah, they got rid of something, 200.
[01:12:11.880 --> 01:12:13.740]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Now, it's a lot of power.
[01:12:14.000 --> 01:12:15.900]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: How many people are really listening to it?
[01:12:16.520 --> 01:12:22.120]  [EVILCORLEY]: I have a long-wave radio in my smart car, because it's a European car.
[01:12:22.340 --> 01:12:24.080]  [EVILCORLEY]: I've never received anything on it.
[01:12:25.280 --> 01:12:26.220]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I've got to tell you.
[01:12:26.620 --> 01:12:29.080]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: This is a question.
[01:12:29.340 --> 01:12:30.120]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Let's see if you know.
[01:12:30.180 --> 01:12:31.160]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I think you know it, Alex.
[01:12:31.760 --> 01:12:33.720]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: What's the difference between the U.S.
[01:12:33.840 --> 01:12:39.520]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: spacing, you know, like the AM band here in the United States, and the European band?
[01:12:41.740 --> 01:12:42.780]  [EVILCORLEY]: What do you mean?
[01:12:42.840 --> 01:12:43.640]  [EVILCORLEY]: What's the difference?
[01:12:44.380 --> 01:12:44.700]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Okay.
[01:12:45.120 --> 01:12:48.740]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: In the United States, it's 880, 890, 10 KC spacing.
[01:12:49.100 --> 01:12:49.860]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Oh, I know what that's going on.
[01:12:50.480 --> 01:12:51.680]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: It's 9 kHz.
[01:12:52.080 --> 01:13:01.760]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: When you go to Europe, anywhere throughout Europe, like Greece, or Bulgaria, Romania, Albania, which I've been to, those countries, it's all 9 kHz spacing.
[01:13:02.880 --> 01:13:11.760]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, which makes it harder to figure out what the next frequency is going to be, because you have to be able to add 9 to 9, etc., whereas here, it's just, you know, base 10.
[01:13:11.760 --> 01:13:12.340]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's easy.
[01:13:13.580 --> 01:13:14.080]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Right, but...
[01:13:14.080 --> 01:13:15.120]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Why did they do it that way?
[01:13:15.320 --> 01:13:22.140]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I don't... anybody ever think... I've never figured... I asked a couple of engineers, they just said, they want it to be different than the rest of the world.
[01:13:22.320 --> 01:13:24.300]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I don't know why they did 9 kHz.
[01:13:24.780 --> 01:13:27.540]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, you can squeeze one more station in, I think.
[01:13:27.620 --> 01:13:28.660]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's probably one reason.
[01:13:30.140 --> 01:13:34.240]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Yeah, but when you go to 9 kHz, you have to have a narrow audio frequency response.
[01:13:34.340 --> 01:13:35.220]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: You want to kHz.
[01:13:35.440 --> 01:13:35.980]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's true.
[01:13:36.140 --> 01:13:37.760]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's AM, though, or medium wave.
[01:13:37.900 --> 01:13:40.180]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, it's like a marginal percentage of it.
[01:13:40.300 --> 01:13:40.520]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[01:13:40.680 --> 01:13:43.360]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It just compresses it a little bit somehow.
[01:13:43.540 --> 01:13:50.940]  [EVILCORLEY]: Why couldn't they just name the 9 kHz 10, and make that 10, and then just make smaller 10s across the band?
[01:13:51.120 --> 01:13:51.900]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know what I mean?
[01:13:53.000 --> 01:13:56.120]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, you know, you say it's 1 to 9, but it's actually 1 to 10.
[01:13:56.120 --> 01:13:58.040]  [EVILCORLEY]: You just redefine where the 1 is.
[01:13:58.820 --> 01:14:00.060]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Yeah, but here, listen.
[01:14:00.380 --> 01:14:01.640]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Let's say you got 8.81.
[01:14:01.920 --> 01:14:03.920]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: 8.81, the next would be 8.90.
[01:14:04.280 --> 01:14:05.680]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Then you'd be 8.91.
[01:14:06.700 --> 01:14:10.280]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: You know, 9.02, you go up 9.10.
[01:14:10.500 --> 01:14:12.120]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: It's a 9 kHz.
[01:14:12.340 --> 01:14:13.280]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: It's very confusing.
[01:14:13.660 --> 01:14:24.480]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: And also, in Europe, they don't use 200 kHz spacing, 150 kHz spacing, like we do on the FM broadcast band.
[01:14:24.480 --> 01:14:27.140]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: And they use, I think, 150 kHz.
[01:14:27.620 --> 01:14:29.400]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: They don't run 75 kHz.
[01:14:29.460 --> 01:14:31.620]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I think they run 60 kHz of deviation.
[01:14:31.960 --> 01:14:33.540]  [EVILCORLEY]: You can have even-numbered stations.
[01:14:33.720 --> 01:14:35.120]  [EVILCORLEY]: You can have 99.6.
[01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:36.360]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Right.
[01:14:37.740 --> 01:14:41.080]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Yeah, well, I spent a year or so in Europe, so...
[01:14:41.080 --> 01:14:42.760]  [EVILCORLEY]: You've been to Albania.
[01:14:43.060 --> 01:14:44.540]  [EVILCORLEY]: Kyle and I have been to Albania as well.
[01:14:44.640 --> 01:14:45.340]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, three of us.
[01:14:45.500 --> 01:14:47.900]  [EVILCORLEY]: Alex, you're the only person who has not been to Albania.
[01:14:47.940 --> 01:14:48.880]  [EVILCORLEY]: How does that make you feel?
[01:14:50.840 --> 01:14:51.560]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I'm in Bulgaria.
[01:14:51.760 --> 01:14:52.180]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Have you been to Bulgaria?
[01:14:52.180 --> 01:14:54.240]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I was in Bulgaria in 94.
[01:14:54.580 --> 01:14:55.840]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: That was a horror show.
[01:14:56.440 --> 01:14:59.120]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Realize how communism really destroys stuff.
[01:14:59.760 --> 01:15:00.740]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: You ever been to Bulgaria?
[01:15:00.940 --> 01:15:01.960]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: It's on the way to Greece.
[01:15:02.140 --> 01:15:04.040]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: You go from-no, on the way to Romania.
[01:15:04.260 --> 01:15:05.580]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: You go to Greece.
[01:15:05.980 --> 01:15:07.300]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: The next country is Bulgaria.
[01:15:07.800 --> 01:15:12.140]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Then you go to, you know, to Costanza, Romania.
[01:15:12.480 --> 01:15:12.760]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh-huh.
[01:15:13.000 --> 01:15:19.600]  [EVILCORLEY]: I got to tell you, you know, Bulgaria is a cakewalk compared to Romania, because Romania was this really scary regime.
[01:15:20.040 --> 01:15:22.400]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, Nikolai Chalczewski, so...
[01:15:22.400 --> 01:15:24.320]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Oh, you didn't want to live in Romania.
[01:15:24.320 --> 01:15:26.920]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I had a lady friend, and she said they'd left.
[01:15:27.040 --> 01:15:28.040]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: They'd left in the middle of the night.
[01:15:28.220 --> 01:15:31.560]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: It had nothing to do with Elena Chalczewski.
[01:15:31.820 --> 01:15:32.160]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh-huh.
[01:15:32.400 --> 01:15:33.980]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: What a horror show, that one.
[01:15:34.320 --> 01:15:34.800]  [EVILCORLEY]: That was something.
[01:15:34.860 --> 01:15:35.860]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: At the end, guess what?
[01:15:35.980 --> 01:15:36.660]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: They hug him up.
[01:15:37.000 --> 01:15:37.760]  [EVILCORLEY]: They sure did.
[01:15:38.360 --> 01:15:38.800]  [EVILCORLEY]: 1989.
[01:15:39.000 --> 01:15:41.420]  [EVILCORLEY]: That was quite an active period.
[01:15:42.500 --> 01:15:45.400]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Yeah, and they hug him up on Christmas Day or Christmas Eve.
[01:15:45.400 --> 01:15:46.340]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: That's when they killed him.
[01:15:46.400 --> 01:15:47.120]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, that's true.
[01:15:47.300 --> 01:15:47.620]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's true.
[01:15:48.260 --> 01:15:49.240]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Well, Pivot his wife.
[01:15:50.040 --> 01:15:53.620]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I mean, they really, they really, really hurt that country.
[01:15:54.960 --> 01:16:00.200]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, he basically, he bankrupted the country to pay off foreign debt.
[01:16:00.300 --> 01:16:01.760]  [EVILCORLEY]: He was obsessed with that.
[01:16:01.940 --> 01:16:06.260]  [EVILCORLEY]: And they would have to turn the lights off, the street lights off at night, every night.
[01:16:06.380 --> 01:16:07.420]  [EVILCORLEY]: It was insane.
[01:16:07.560 --> 01:16:08.460]  [EVILCORLEY]: It was an insane regime.
[01:16:08.520 --> 01:16:09.260]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: No, it's really insane.
[01:16:09.360 --> 01:16:10.920]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: When you're there, all the dogs howl.
[01:16:10.960 --> 01:16:12.300]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: It's almost like you're listening to vampires.
[01:16:12.640 --> 01:16:14.500]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: And I've been up to Pace and Mountain.
[01:16:14.500 --> 01:16:16.000]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: That's an interesting place.
[01:16:16.140 --> 01:16:16.700]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, yeah.
[01:16:16.760 --> 01:16:17.640]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Pace and Mountain.
[01:16:19.620 --> 01:16:20.360]  [EVILCORLEY]: Good times.
[01:16:20.760 --> 01:16:21.360]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[01:16:21.780 --> 01:16:24.340]  [EVILCORLEY]: Good talking to you, and all the best.
[01:16:24.720 --> 01:16:28.300]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I guess, I guess after I get off, Rubble will give you a call.
[01:16:28.520 --> 01:16:30.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm sure he's war dialing right now.
[01:16:31.860 --> 01:16:34.220]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Yeah, but after a while, he's a little going.
[01:16:34.340 --> 01:16:34.800]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: I don't know.
[01:16:35.040 --> 01:16:35.320]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Whatever.
[01:16:36.060 --> 01:16:36.540]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[01:16:36.660 --> 01:16:37.340]  [EVILCORLEY]: We'll talk to you later.
[01:16:38.020 --> 01:16:38.920]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Thanks for your call.
[01:16:39.020 --> 01:16:39.640]  [HOW_WB2HWW]: Talk to you, too.
[01:16:40.080 --> 01:16:40.600]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[01:16:41.700 --> 01:16:42.060]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[01:16:42.280 --> 01:16:42.820]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, we'll see.
[01:16:43.020 --> 01:16:44.100]  [EVILCORLEY]: I think we'll see him at HOPE.
[01:16:44.200 --> 01:16:45.660]  [EVILCORLEY]: We'll see a lot of ham people at HOPE.
[01:16:45.880 --> 01:16:46.600]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's really cool.
[01:16:46.640 --> 01:16:47.320]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's going to be awesome.
[01:16:47.480 --> 01:16:47.860]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Good to hear from Howard.
[01:16:48.080 --> 01:16:54.440]  [EVILCORLEY]: We have like four or five ham-related talks, I think, and workshops and exams and all kinds of other things.
[01:16:54.460 --> 01:17:00.440]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It's going to be really busy just from that perspective, yeah, for hobbyists, radio hobbyists and so on.
[01:17:00.560 --> 01:17:02.680]  [EVILCORLEY]: Did you hear the announcement today?
[01:17:02.680 --> 01:17:04.680]  [EVILCORLEY]: Hey, we've got Rinaldi Santiago.
[01:17:05.940 --> 01:17:08.400]  [EVILCORLEY]: He played Phantom Phreak in Hackers.
[01:17:08.980 --> 01:17:10.720]  [EVILCORLEY]: You guys remember Hackers, right?
[01:17:11.900 --> 01:17:12.180]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yes.
[01:17:12.280 --> 01:17:12.900]  [EVILCORLEY]: The movie Hackers?
[01:17:13.020 --> 01:17:14.060]  [EVILCORLEY]: You're giving me blank stares.
[01:17:14.220 --> 01:17:14.400]  [EVILCORLEY]: What the hell?
[01:17:14.400 --> 01:17:15.140]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yes, it's a movie.
[01:17:15.380 --> 01:17:15.620]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:17:15.960 --> 01:17:16.280]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[01:17:16.500 --> 01:17:21.100]  [EVILCORLEY]: I know it's uncomfortable, but yeah, he was one of the main...
[01:17:21.100 --> 01:17:30.600]  [EVILCORLEY]: One of my favorite stars, actually, because he just was funny, positive, and he has a lot of good lines, and I'm trying to think of one.
[01:17:30.960 --> 01:17:34.020]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, I left it in that place by the thing once, but we were at one.
[01:17:34.080 --> 01:17:37.280]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't remember the exact quote, but if you go to IMDb, you'll find all the quotes.
[01:17:37.980 --> 01:17:38.520]  [EVILCORLEY]: Phantom Phreak.
[01:17:38.680 --> 01:17:39.120]  [EVILCORLEY]: Look it up.
[01:17:40.020 --> 01:17:40.380]  [ALEXURBELS]: Absolutely.
[01:17:40.560 --> 01:17:41.260]  [ALEXURBELS]: I did see that.
[01:17:41.560 --> 01:17:42.280]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's exciting.
[01:17:43.000 --> 01:17:43.960]  [ALEXURBELS]: That'll be very cool.
[01:17:44.120 --> 01:17:49.400]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, I remember when it came out, and I remember, you know, you helped out about it with that.
[01:17:49.580 --> 01:17:50.620]  [ALEXURBELS]: I remember when...
[01:17:50.620 --> 01:17:50.700]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[01:17:50.840 --> 01:17:50.980]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:17:52.920 --> 01:17:54.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: And we're putting together a panel, actually.
[01:17:55.140 --> 01:17:57.800]  [EVILCORLEY]: As I was a consultant for the film, I'll be on the panel as well.
[01:17:57.800 --> 01:18:01.200]  [EVILCORLEY]: But there's other people that might be a part of it.
[01:18:01.820 --> 01:18:11.600]  [EVILCORLEY]: Sadly, we learned that Raphael Maru, who wrote the screenplay, passed away from COVID in 2021, I believe.
[01:18:12.600 --> 01:18:17.580]  [EVILCORLEY]: And I guess nobody ever mentioned it to us, certainly.
[01:18:18.520 --> 01:18:25.840]  [EVILCORLEY]: And it's really, really sad, because he was such a good guy, and he really did his homework to make that film accurate.
[01:18:26.460 --> 01:18:27.620]  [EVILCORLEY]: Keep in mind, he's the writer.
[01:18:27.740 --> 01:18:32.780]  [EVILCORLEY]: He doesn't really get a say into how things look, or, you know, who was cast, or anything like that.
[01:18:33.340 --> 01:18:42.160]  [EVILCORLEY]: But I worked with him extensively to, you know, get things right, as far as the way people talk, what they would do, what they would not do.
[01:18:42.640 --> 01:18:45.800]  [EVILCORLEY]: And, you know, some of it was, you know, made it through.
[01:18:45.900 --> 01:18:46.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: Some of it didn't make it through.
[01:18:47.560 --> 01:18:48.680]  [EVILCORLEY]: But he really cared.
[01:18:48.920 --> 01:18:50.100]  [EVILCORLEY]: He really wanted to get it right.
[01:18:50.280 --> 01:18:51.060]  [EVILCORLEY]: And he did it.
[01:18:51.140 --> 01:18:52.460]  [EVILCORLEY]: He came to 2600 meetings.
[01:18:53.700 --> 01:18:57.820]  [EVILCORLEY]: And a lot of what's in the film is based on things that were real.
[01:18:58.040 --> 01:19:04.140]  [EVILCORLEY]: And it's just, it's an amazing experience to see that happen, to see something come to life like that.
[01:19:04.300 --> 01:19:06.020]  [EVILCORLEY]: It doesn't happen very often.
[01:19:06.540 --> 01:19:07.840]  [EVILCORLEY]: Films don't get the green light.
[01:19:07.940 --> 01:19:11.580]  [EVILCORLEY]: And if they do get the green light, they don't get the kind of reaction that hackers did.
[01:19:11.760 --> 01:19:15.700]  [EVILCORLEY]: So it's really, you know, 31 years ago is when it came out.
[01:19:15.700 --> 01:19:16.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: I can't believe that.
[01:19:17.300 --> 01:19:19.540]  [EVILCORLEY]: But it was an honor to be a part of that.
[01:19:19.740 --> 01:19:20.200]  [EVILCORLEY]: It really was.
[01:19:21.260 --> 01:19:25.980]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, I really have so many memories of watching and re-watching that film.
[01:19:26.420 --> 01:19:29.380]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Because at the time, I was just starting it.
[01:19:29.460 --> 01:19:30.120]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I was in middle school.
[01:19:30.120 --> 01:19:34.380]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I was exploring computers in the early web.
[01:19:34.560 --> 01:19:38.860]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And Internet was something that was like a part of our curriculum.
[01:19:38.860 --> 01:19:48.480]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Like, we had to play with it and learn and use, understand search engines alongside word processing and all the other things that we were learning.
[01:19:48.700 --> 01:19:56.780]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And having this, like, cultural text, this, like, thing you could look at.
[01:19:56.940 --> 01:20:01.440]  [KYLEDROSDK]: We were watching it, I think, for more, for those details, right?
[01:20:01.440 --> 01:20:04.140]  [KYLEDROSDK]: For the things that they got right in it.
[01:20:04.740 --> 01:20:15.560]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It wasn't, like you said, it wasn't, you know, it had to have certain things that you might look back on and say, like, okay, that's not that realistic or something.
[01:20:15.660 --> 01:20:16.680]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, you could pick it apart.
[01:20:16.680 --> 01:20:24.060]  [KYLEDROSDK]: But the whole thing had so many little details that were accurate or just kind of quirky things.
[01:20:24.260 --> 01:20:44.860]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And then a lot of those, there's so many characters like Phantom Phreak that brought attitude and just kind of just a coolness in that interaction with the other characters and what their kind of differentiations were, like, what they kind of brought to things,
[01:20:45.040 --> 01:20:46.660]  [KYLEDROSDK]: whatever was going on.
[01:20:47.040 --> 01:20:52.200]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And in that collaborative sort of problem solving in the arc of the film.
[01:20:52.380 --> 01:20:52.860]  [KYLEDROSDK]: So, I don't know.
[01:20:52.940 --> 01:20:58.240]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It just kind of really meant a lot to have something to look to that illustrated it.
[01:20:58.340 --> 01:21:01.820]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Because there wasn't a lot of examples of it.
[01:21:01.880 --> 01:21:18.680]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Especially if you're from, like, a rural area or you didn't have, you weren't from the city or you weren't exposed to a lot of, like, BBS culture and information sharing and so-called underground or dark web as it became to be thought of.
[01:21:18.800 --> 01:21:20.760]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And I don't know.
[01:21:22.440 --> 01:21:40.260]  [KYLEDROSDK]: That realm of what was illicit or what was going on while everyone else was sleeping, you know, what people were curious about and finding out by being kind of interested and experimenting.
[01:21:40.780 --> 01:21:46.280]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It was that kind of spirit that I think a lot of people got out of it.
[01:21:46.380 --> 01:21:49.040]  [KYLEDROSDK]: But going back and looking for details, I think it was really fun.
[01:21:49.280 --> 01:21:49.980]  [KYLEDROSDK]: So, I don't know.
[01:21:50.560 --> 01:21:53.580]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I'm thrilled that people are revisiting this.
[01:21:53.720 --> 01:21:57.200]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Maybe sharing it with people that don't get it or haven't seen it.
[01:21:57.200 --> 01:22:08.900]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Um, and maybe they're trying to tell more stories like this or, or tell them, um, with some, some new, uh, aspects or build on it.
[01:22:09.200 --> 01:22:10.720]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And, um, yeah, I don't know.
[01:22:10.780 --> 01:22:11.700]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It's, it's pretty cool.
[01:22:12.160 --> 01:22:13.120]  [EVILCORLEY]: I found the quote.
[01:22:13.320 --> 01:22:15.780]  [EVILCORLEY]: Um, it's in that place where I put that thing that time.
[01:22:16.520 --> 01:22:19.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: That was, that was one, one quote that, uh, is attributed to him.
[01:22:19.980 --> 01:22:20.540]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, there are others too.
[01:22:20.620 --> 01:22:22.360]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'll see if I can find them, but that's like the one quote.
[01:22:22.460 --> 01:22:23.120]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I think I remember.
[01:22:23.340 --> 01:22:23.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: We have a phone call.
[01:22:24.000 --> 01:22:24.280]  [EVILCORLEY]: Good evening.
[01:22:24.420 --> 01:22:25.220]  [EVILCORLEY]: You're on Overtime.
[01:22:25.300 --> 01:22:25.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead.
[01:22:26.620 --> 01:22:30.780]  [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, I've got the summer 26 issue of 2600 in front of me.
[01:22:31.340 --> 01:22:32.700]  [SPEAKER_00]: Where's my stuff?
[01:22:33.060 --> 01:22:34.800]  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, is this how you treat your authors?
[01:22:34.940 --> 01:22:35.300]  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, hold on.
[01:22:35.480 --> 01:22:39.460]  [SPEAKER_00]: Like on June 24th, you said this exact...
[01:22:40.720 --> 01:22:42.240]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, you will be notified.
[01:22:42.560 --> 01:22:49.140]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, and, um, uh, basically you get notified shortly after, uh, the issue comes out.
[01:22:49.320 --> 01:22:50.980]  [EVILCORLEY]: Sometimes it's a few weeks after.
[01:22:51.160 --> 01:22:55.820]  [EVILCORLEY]: Sometimes it's even a month or two after, but it's almost always before the next issue comes out.
[01:22:56.000 --> 01:22:58.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: And then, uh, you have a choice of things that you can get.
[01:22:59.400 --> 01:22:59.840]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:23:00.200 --> 01:23:05.220]  [EVILCORLEY]: And when, when, when did that issue come out?
[01:23:08.150 --> 01:23:08.590]  [SPEAKER_00]: Hello?
[01:23:08.870 --> 01:23:09.890]  [SPEAKER_00]: It was the last one.
[01:23:10.250 --> 01:23:11.730]  [EVILCORLEY]: It was one before this.
[01:23:11.950 --> 01:23:13.350]  [EVILCORLEY]: It was the one before this, the spring issue.
[01:23:14.010 --> 01:23:14.450]  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[01:23:14.630 --> 01:23:14.850]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:23:15.070 --> 01:23:24.010]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, then I, I, I, I have no excuse, but to say we're late because we're organizing a damn conference and we're, we're, we're backlogged, but you will get everything that's coming to you.
[01:23:24.910 --> 01:23:25.490]  [EVILCORLEY]: Believe me.
[01:23:26.830 --> 01:23:27.730]  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, thank you.
[01:23:27.850 --> 01:23:28.770]  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know who I am.
[01:23:28.830 --> 01:23:30.650]  [SPEAKER_00]: I just want a subscription for me.
[01:23:30.770 --> 01:23:33.870]  [SPEAKER_00]: And then if it's possible, my friend to introduce them to this magazine.
[01:23:34.150 --> 01:23:34.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:23:34.870 --> 01:23:37.090]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, I would say probably, okay.
[01:23:37.170 --> 01:23:40.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, if you're going to be like that, then, uh, you'll get it when you get it.
[01:23:40.270 --> 01:23:40.850]  [EVILCORLEY]: How about that?
[01:23:41.890 --> 01:23:45.630]  [EVILCORLEY]: But no, let's seriously, we, um, I don't want people complain all the time.
[01:23:46.270 --> 01:23:47.090]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, we're doing our best.
[01:23:47.230 --> 01:23:48.050]  [ALEXURBELS]: I love that he threw your words.
[01:23:48.130 --> 01:23:50.990]  [ALEXURBELS]: I love that he took your words through a fight back at you.
[01:23:51.170 --> 01:23:52.790]  [ALEXURBELS]: That was, that was very aggressive.
[01:23:53.030 --> 01:23:54.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: What kind of attitude is that?
[01:23:55.510 --> 01:23:57.650]  [ALEXURBELS]: I was, you don't hear that all the time.
[01:23:57.650 --> 01:23:59.310]  [ALEXURBELS]: Not trying to rip anybody off.
[01:23:59.470 --> 01:24:00.890]  [EVILCORLEY]: We're just buried in work.
[01:24:00.890 --> 01:24:03.930]  [EVILCORLEY]: You want to help out and, and, and, and help us get through all this crap.
[01:24:04.370 --> 01:24:12.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, it's really, really difficult to organize a conference and, uh, a magazine and a radio show and all kinds of other things all at the same time.
[01:24:14.150 --> 01:24:14.510]  [ALEXURBELS]: Man.
[01:24:14.670 --> 01:24:21.310]  [ALEXURBELS]: Well, Eddie was so insistent to get on the air and throw your words back at you that he'd beat Rebel.
[01:24:21.670 --> 01:24:22.030]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:24:22.130 --> 01:24:23.710]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, that's going to cheer me up.
[01:24:23.870 --> 01:24:24.390]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, good evening.
[01:24:24.530 --> 01:24:25.470]  [EVILCORLEY]: You're on off the call for time.
[01:24:25.530 --> 01:24:25.750]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead.
[01:24:26.430 --> 01:24:27.150]  [REBEL_RICH]: Yes, Emmanuel.
[01:24:27.490 --> 01:24:27.610]  [REBEL_RICH]: Yeah.
[01:24:27.690 --> 01:24:28.190]  [REBEL_RICH]: It's good to hear you.
[01:24:29.270 --> 01:24:30.330]  [REBEL_RICH]: Speak of the devil.
[01:24:31.210 --> 01:24:31.570]  [REBEL_RICH]: Yes.
[01:24:31.790 --> 01:24:32.170]  [REBEL_RICH]: Of course.
[01:24:32.970 --> 01:24:42.650]  [REBEL_RICH]: Um, you know, I just, well, before I get into what I'm going to tell you, I was just going to mention about, uh, CB radio, uh, and, you know, you know, that's like ham radio, but it's easier, it's simpler.
[01:24:42.950 --> 01:24:47.090]  [REBEL_RICH]: And, you know, you can communicate with people, uh, you know, up to a mile or two.
[01:24:47.350 --> 01:24:51.990]  [REBEL_RICH]: And depending on, they have AFM now and they have, uh, different things.
[01:24:52.810 --> 01:24:55.330]  [REBEL_RICH]: Um, okay.
[01:24:55.530 --> 01:24:58.490]  [REBEL_RICH]: Now I hope I'm going to be bringing my CB radio.
[01:24:58.850 --> 01:25:01.030]  [REBEL_RICH]: So if anyone at home, I should do it.
[01:25:01.250 --> 01:25:01.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: Thank goodness.
[01:25:02.070 --> 01:25:02.170]  [REBEL_RICH]: Yes.
[01:25:02.290 --> 01:25:04.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's, that's going to definitely liven things up.
[01:25:04.870 --> 01:25:06.690]  [REBEL_RICH]: I should do a talk on CB radio.
[01:25:06.870 --> 01:25:08.250]  [REBEL_RICH]: Actually, more people need to.
[01:25:08.250 --> 01:25:12.110]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's kind of late to organize a talk, but you can do the fourth track.
[01:25:12.250 --> 01:25:13.010]  [EVILCORLEY]: We are doing that again.
[01:25:13.350 --> 01:25:13.570]  [REBEL_RICH]: Yeah.
[01:25:13.830 --> 01:25:14.750]  [REBEL_RICH]: Maybe I'll do that.
[01:25:14.910 --> 01:25:15.370]  [REBEL_RICH]: I'll do that.
[01:25:15.850 --> 01:25:16.650]  [REBEL_RICH]: Um, oh, okay.
[01:25:16.850 --> 01:25:24.970]  [REBEL_RICH]: I went to a, uh, family event, like, uh, you know, one of those events where, you know, family get together and, you know, you see people that you haven't seen in like decades.
[01:25:24.970 --> 01:25:26.430]  [EVILCORLEY]: We know what family events are.
[01:25:26.530 --> 01:25:26.710]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yes.
[01:25:27.350 --> 01:25:27.550]  [REBEL_RICH]: Yeah.
[01:25:27.650 --> 01:25:27.710]  [REBEL_RICH]: Yeah.
[01:25:27.930 --> 01:25:31.930]  [REBEL_RICH]: And there's some particular family events, you know, there's the sad ones and the happy ones.
[01:25:38.250 --> 01:25:40.470]  [REBEL_RICH]: And they said, Oh yes, I remember y'all.
[01:25:40.630 --> 01:25:45.650]  [REBEL_RICH]: I haven't seen you since you were like, like, so maybe like so little or whatever.
[01:25:45.990 --> 01:25:52.010]  [REBEL_RICH]: Uh, I mean, I remember you used to come into our house and used to play with the phone and try and call long distance.
[01:25:53.390 --> 01:25:53.790]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[01:25:54.030 --> 01:25:54.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:25:54.190 --> 01:25:54.830]  [EVILCORLEY]: They know you well.
[01:25:55.630 --> 01:25:56.210]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's funny.
[01:25:56.230 --> 01:26:01.470]  [REBEL_RICH]: And another person, I was at another event and somebody else said, Oh, I remember, you know, do you remember me?
[01:26:01.670 --> 01:26:08.470]  [REBEL_RICH]: I, you used to come into that, the bar, the beauty parlor I used to go to, they used to play with that big phone that they had.
[01:26:08.710 --> 01:26:11.770]  [EVILCORLEY]: Did you just walk into buildings playing with other people's phones?
[01:26:12.810 --> 01:26:13.170]  [REBEL_RICH]: No.
[01:26:13.290 --> 01:26:18.510]  [REBEL_RICH]: Remember the desktop payphones and like salons and different restaurants and stuff back in the nineties?
[01:26:19.150 --> 01:26:21.670]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, I didn't go to very many salons, but the ones I did go.
[01:26:21.670 --> 01:26:21.870]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh yeah.
[01:26:22.010 --> 01:26:22.750]  [EVILCORLEY]: They did have something like that.
[01:26:23.730 --> 01:26:23.870]  [REBEL_RICH]: Yeah.
[01:26:23.990 --> 01:26:30.490]  [REBEL_RICH]: So I would go in there and there was some person that maybe knew or a family member happened to be there at that time.
[01:26:30.530 --> 01:26:32.850]  [REBEL_RICH]: And so they remembered it now.
[01:26:33.090 --> 01:26:35.390]  [REBEL_RICH]: And you know, you're hard to forget.
[01:26:35.390 --> 01:26:36.570]  [EVILCORLEY]: Let's just put it that way.
[01:26:38.190 --> 01:26:40.350]  [REBEL_RICH]: Um, let's see.
[01:26:40.650 --> 01:26:43.810]  [REBEL_RICH]: There's numbers that, um, hold on.
[01:26:46.430 --> 01:26:51.650]  [REBEL_RICH]: That, um, call you like, if you owe somebody money, they, they, they call you.
[01:26:51.650 --> 01:26:55.230]  [REBEL_RICH]: They call you from a number, they call you, they call you from one number.
[01:26:55.590 --> 01:27:02.030]  [REBEL_RICH]: But then if you like block that number, they'll call you from a dividend, like they'll call you from a six, four, six, four, six, one exchange.
[01:27:02.030 --> 01:27:07.070]  [REBEL_RICH]: And if you, like, ignore that, they'll call you from the 646-475 exchange.
[01:27:07.330 --> 01:27:12.250]  [REBEL_RICH]: And then, you know, if you ignore that, they'll call you from the 646-467 exchange.
[01:27:12.510 --> 01:27:12.950]  [REBEL_RICH]: And, you know.
[01:27:15.030 --> 01:27:18.510]  [EVILCORLEY]: Never counting on the fact that you're taking note of all of that.
[01:27:20.730 --> 01:27:21.130]  [REBEL_RICH]: Right.
[01:27:24.550 --> 01:27:34.890]  [REBEL_RICH]: And also, when you get a telemarketing call on your cell phone, from a number, you know, and then when you call that number from your cell phone, you get the telemarketer.
[01:27:35.130 --> 01:27:44.230]  [REBEL_RICH]: But if you call from a different number, you get a recording saying, I'm sorry, you're not calling from a number that we recognize or something like that.
[01:27:44.410 --> 01:27:47.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yes, we've talked about this about 50 times on this show.
[01:27:50.330 --> 01:27:53.310]  [REBEL_RICH]: And 2-1-1 mentions if you have a rotary phone.
[01:27:53.490 --> 01:27:54.490]  [REBEL_RICH]: Oh, let's call 2-1-1.
[01:27:54.490 --> 01:27:55.190]  [REBEL_RICH]: Oh, I think it's...
[01:27:55.190 --> 01:27:56.490]  [REBEL_RICH]: Wait, I could put you on hold on.
[01:27:56.490 --> 01:27:59.990]  [REBEL_RICH]: And, uh, hey, if you have a rotary phone, hold on.
[01:28:00.070 --> 01:28:01.570]  [REBEL_RICH]: And now for something completely different.
[01:28:04.880 --> 01:28:06.600]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, does anyone have anything interesting for you?
[01:28:06.760 --> 01:28:06.820]  [EVILCORLEY]: There we go.
[01:28:07.160 --> 01:28:08.260]  [EVILCORLEY]: Someone from the chat.
[01:28:08.640 --> 01:28:10.020]  [SPEAKER_09]: This is 2-1-1 information and referral hotline.
[01:28:10.160 --> 01:28:10.700]  [EVILCORLEY]: Hang on.
[01:28:11.480 --> 01:28:11.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: Where's the...
[01:28:12.640 --> 01:28:13.740]  [EVILCORLEY]: A lot going on here.
[01:28:14.340 --> 01:28:15.000]  [SPEAKER_09]: 2-1-1.
[01:28:15.120 --> 01:28:16.020]  [SPEAKER_09]: This is an emergency.
[01:28:16.280 --> 01:28:16.900]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wait, you said...
[01:28:16.900 --> 01:28:17.140]  [SPEAKER_09]: Please hang up and call 9-1-1.
[01:28:17.140 --> 01:28:18.240]  [EVILCORLEY]: You said 2-1-1.
[01:28:18.500 --> 01:28:19.360]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's just 3-1-1.
[01:28:19.380 --> 01:28:21.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: Your call may be recorded for quality purposes.
[01:28:21.120 --> 01:28:21.680]  [SPEAKER_09]: 2-1-1-1.
[01:28:21.880 --> 01:28:23.120]  [EVILCORLEY]: No, this is 3-1-1.
[01:28:23.160 --> 01:28:23.880]  [EVILCORLEY]: I know the difference.
[01:28:24.120 --> 01:28:24.700]  [SPEAKER_09]: Please speak with a representative.
[01:28:25.340 --> 01:28:29.420]  [SPEAKER_09]: If you are calling from a rotary phone, please hang up and dial 3-1-1.
[01:28:29.600 --> 01:28:30.900]  [EVILCORLEY]: See, I told you 3-1-1.
[01:28:31.060 --> 01:28:31.320]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:28:31.840 --> 01:28:32.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: You said it was 2-1-1.
[01:28:32.980 --> 01:28:33.760]  [REBEL_RICH]: You're calling from a rotary...
[01:28:33.760 --> 01:28:35.520]  [REBEL_RICH]: Like, what's a rotary phone?
[01:28:36.000 --> 01:28:37.180]  [ALEXURBELS]: How could you dial?
[01:28:37.480 --> 01:28:40.020]  [ALEXURBELS]: How could you hang up and dial if you're on a rotary phone?
[01:28:40.200 --> 01:28:41.500]  [ALEXURBELS]: You don't have DTMFs.
[01:28:42.240 --> 01:28:44.800]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, first of all, dialing is dialing.
[01:28:44.920 --> 01:28:46.060]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's got nothing to do with DTMFs.
[01:28:46.080 --> 01:28:46.460]  [ALEXURBELS]: Well, they're saying...
[01:28:46.460 --> 01:28:50.360]  [ALEXURBELS]: Well, if you're on a rotary phone, hang up and dial 3-1-1.
[01:28:52.040 --> 01:28:52.940]  [REBEL_RICH]: Hang up and dial...
[01:28:52.940 --> 01:28:55.260]  [ALEXURBELS]: But you're saying this is 2-1-1-1?
[01:28:55.260 --> 01:28:55.680]  [ALEXURBELS]: Is that...
[01:28:55.680 --> 01:28:56.280]  [ALEXURBELS]: Is that it?
[01:28:57.840 --> 01:29:11.620]  [REBEL_RICH]: No, it's the thing that you see advertised, the community thing, like, if you're having, you know, like, I don't know, like, I don't know, mental issues or something, they call 2-1-1 and, I don't know, things like that.
[01:29:11.780 --> 01:29:12.580]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't know about that.
[01:29:12.620 --> 01:29:15.600]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm going to look up what 2-1-1 is in New York City.
[01:29:17.400 --> 01:29:19.420]  [REBEL_RICH]: Would you like to hear the recording again?
[01:29:19.600 --> 01:29:21.980]  [REBEL_RICH]: And you'll, maybe we can ask what we're doing.
[01:29:22.080 --> 01:29:22.620]  [EVILCORLEY]: Would I?
[01:29:24.000 --> 01:29:25.980]  [EVILCORLEY]: Try and stop me from hearing this.
[01:29:27.340 --> 01:29:27.780]  [REBEL_RICH]: Okay.
[01:29:28.120 --> 01:29:28.940]  [EVILCORLEY]: Hold on.
[01:29:34.920 --> 01:29:42.560]  [SPEAKER_09]: Thank you for calling the 2-1-1 Information and Referral Hotline, brought to you by the 3-1-1 Customer Service Center in New York City.
[01:29:42.840 --> 01:29:45.080]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wait, 2-1-1 is brought to you by 3-1-1?
[01:29:45.160 --> 01:29:45.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: Did she just say that?
[01:29:46.140 --> 01:29:47.300]  [REBEL_RICH]: I don't know.
[01:29:47.620 --> 01:29:49.800]  [SPEAKER_09]: Your call may be recorded for quality purposes.
[01:29:50.420 --> 01:29:53.240]  [SPEAKER_09]: Please press 6 if you wish to speak with a representative.
[01:29:53.800 --> 01:29:57.920]  [SPEAKER_09]: If you are calling from a rotary phone, please hang up and dial 3-1-1.
[01:29:57.920 --> 01:30:08.500]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, so according to this website I'm looking at, 2-1-1 connects New Yorkers to local resources and services including food, housing, mental health support, and more.
[01:30:08.680 --> 01:30:12.740]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's free, confidential, and available 24-7 in multiple languages.
[01:30:12.740 --> 01:30:19.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: Simply dial 2-1-1 on your phone to reach one of our friendly, caring, professional community resource specialists.
[01:30:20.040 --> 01:30:21.360]  [EVILCORLEY]: There's a lot of description there.
[01:30:21.580 --> 01:30:23.460]  [EVILCORLEY]: But, okay, so, wow.
[01:30:23.700 --> 01:30:25.320]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right, 2-1-1 and 3-1-1.
[01:30:25.400 --> 01:30:26.540]  [EVILCORLEY]: They sort of work together.
[01:30:27.720 --> 01:30:29.780]  [REBEL_RICH]: Yeah, I mean, notice they hang up with it.
[01:30:29.860 --> 01:30:31.460]  [REBEL_RICH]: If you don't press anything, it hangs up.
[01:30:32.360 --> 01:30:33.500]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, I guess that's not too friendly.
[01:30:34.360 --> 01:30:37.540]  [REBEL_RICH]: Yeah, well, if you don't have Touch-Tone, if you don't subscribe to Touch-Tone service...
[01:30:38.760 --> 01:30:41.320]  [EVILCORLEY]: I believe 2-1-1 is run by the state.
[01:30:41.520 --> 01:30:42.960]  [EVILCORLEY]: 3-1-1 is run by the city.
[01:30:44.780 --> 01:30:45.080]  [REBEL_RICH]: Oh.
[01:30:45.440 --> 01:30:48.880]  [REBEL_RICH]: Oh, but why does it say it's being brought to you by the 2-1-1?
[01:30:48.880 --> 01:30:50.540]  [EVILCORLEY]: I can't help you beyond that.
[01:30:51.320 --> 01:30:53.080]  [ALEXURBELS]: Okay, let's see what's not true.
[01:30:53.480 --> 01:30:53.920]  [ALEXURBELS]: All right.
[01:30:53.980 --> 01:30:56.440]  [ALEXURBELS]: Brought to you by the people who ban data centers.
[01:30:56.980 --> 01:31:00.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: Rebel, I have no control over this, but I'm told we only have 20 seconds for you.
[01:31:00.740 --> 01:31:02.700]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, finish up in 20 seconds.
[01:31:03.940 --> 01:31:04.640]  [REBEL_RICH]: Okay, let's go.
[01:31:04.740 --> 01:31:05.600]  [REBEL_RICH]: What else can we call?
[01:31:05.880 --> 01:31:08.580]  [REBEL_RICH]: We could call 270-278 numbers.
[01:31:08.580 --> 01:31:09.360]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's 15 seconds now.
[01:31:10.000 --> 01:31:10.240]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:31:11.540 --> 01:31:12.720]  [REBEL_RICH]: Well, you can't give them...
[01:31:12.720 --> 01:31:13.200]  [ALEXURBELS]: Where's the Woodpecker?
[01:31:13.640 --> 01:31:15.320]  [ALEXURBELS]: Do we have a Woodpecker available?
[01:31:15.560 --> 01:31:16.940]  [EVILCORLEY]: They're very strict about this.
[01:31:17.500 --> 01:31:18.440]  [EVILCORLEY]: 10 seconds.
[01:31:18.680 --> 01:31:19.460]  [REBEL_RICH]: Operators do not...
[01:31:19.460 --> 01:31:25.020]  [REBEL_RICH]: Okay, they do not do emergency interruptions and busy land verifications and collect calls and all that other stuff anymore.
[01:31:25.660 --> 01:31:26.100]  [REBEL_RICH]: Local...
[01:31:26.100 --> 01:31:31.440]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right, as your final five seconds here, Rebel, I want to wish you a good night and look forward to talking to you again next week.
[01:31:32.080 --> 01:31:32.380]  [REBEL_RICH]: Okay.
[01:31:32.620 --> 01:31:34.160]  [REBEL_RICH]: Oh, by the way, no, I'm going to be in Europe.
[01:31:34.800 --> 01:31:35.620]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, where are you going?
[01:31:35.780 --> 01:31:36.780]  [REBEL_RICH]: No, no, no, no, no, no.
[01:31:36.840 --> 01:31:38.160]  [REBEL_RICH]: I'll be around next week.
[01:31:38.260 --> 01:31:38.740]  [REBEL_RICH]: I'll be around next week.
[01:31:38.740 --> 01:31:39.380]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right, all right, all right.
[01:31:39.420 --> 01:31:40.600]  [REBEL_RICH]: In two weeks, I'll be in Europe.
[01:31:40.620 --> 01:31:41.640]  [EVILCORLEY]: Where in Europe are you going?
[01:31:42.460 --> 01:31:44.700]  [REBEL_RICH]: To Switzerland first and then to Italy.
[01:31:45.400 --> 01:31:45.620]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:31:45.620 --> 01:31:48.260]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, don't mention the World Cup in either of those countries.
[01:31:48.600 --> 01:31:49.120]  [EVILCORLEY]: They're very sensitive.
[01:31:49.400 --> 01:31:49.920]  [REBEL_RICH]: I know.
[01:31:50.060 --> 01:31:50.180]  [REBEL_RICH]: Yeah.
[01:31:50.400 --> 01:31:51.320]  [EVILCORLEY]: Italy didn't even qualify.
[01:31:52.340 --> 01:31:53.240]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't know what happened.
[01:31:53.280 --> 01:31:53.700]  [EVILCORLEY]: I know that.
[01:31:53.920 --> 01:31:54.260]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[01:31:54.460 --> 01:31:55.300]  [EVILCORLEY]: Good talking to you.
[01:31:55.360 --> 01:31:56.800]  [EVILCORLEY]: And we'll talk again soon.
[01:31:57.600 --> 01:32:00.240]  [EVILCORLEY]: Now, Kyle, you were saying something about the chat, I believe.
[01:32:00.640 --> 01:32:03.840]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Oh, I just saw a question about HOPE 2026.
[01:32:03.840 --> 01:32:12.020]  [KYLEDROSDK]: There was interest in virtual attendance and what you get access to and it is and what platform we typically use.
[01:32:13.100 --> 01:32:19.980]  [KYLEDROSDK]: The Matrix platform, I believe, is what we've used recently over the last six years.
[01:32:19.980 --> 01:32:22.900]  [KYLEDROSDK]: We've been really relying on it.
[01:32:23.000 --> 01:32:23.840]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It's been quite useful.
[01:32:24.040 --> 01:32:28.020]  [KYLEDROSDK]: So basically, if you purchase that, you get a virtual ticket.
[01:32:28.020 --> 01:32:36.020]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Then prior to the event, we'll issue keys or ways to get access to those channels.
[01:32:36.240 --> 01:32:46.760]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And then those are what our emcees or our heralds at the event will refer to when speakers have finished and they take questions from the virtual channels.
[01:32:46.760 --> 01:32:53.400]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It'll be mainly people that have joined them from virtual attendance.
[01:32:53.400 --> 01:32:55.580]  [KYLEDROSDK]: So that's how we organize those questions.
[01:32:55.580 --> 01:32:59.360]  [KYLEDROSDK]: They're not coming from sort of a public channel or like we're doing here with YouTube.
[01:32:59.580 --> 01:32:59.960]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Right, right.
[01:33:00.120 --> 01:33:02.640]  [KYLEDROSDK]: So, but it is ongoing.
[01:33:02.640 --> 01:33:05.160]  [KYLEDROSDK]: That has to be retooled and revamped.
[01:33:05.160 --> 01:33:08.100]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And that's part of a whole lot of stuff that goes on behind the scenes.
[01:33:09.200 --> 01:33:11.800]  [KYLEDROSDK]: If you're volunteering, please register.
[01:33:12.440 --> 01:33:19.780]  [KYLEDROSDK]: We're going to get a lot of that stuff updated on the wiki and we'll be making appeals to people.
[01:33:19.780 --> 01:33:29.080]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And, yeah, we're spreading a lot of sense of urgency just given the whole time frame for the run-up to the event.
[01:33:29.200 --> 01:33:30.100]  [KYLEDROSDK]: But thanks for that question.
[01:33:30.380 --> 01:33:37.160]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, and people have said it's like being at the conference without being at the conference, you know.
[01:33:37.260 --> 01:33:41.440]  [EVILCORLEY]: So you're able to interact with the speakers, with the other attendees.
[01:33:42.340 --> 01:33:45.400]  [EVILCORLEY]: And it's, you know, it really is a lot of fun.
[01:33:45.540 --> 01:33:49.120]  [EVILCORLEY]: I've heard a lot of good things about the virtual attendee feature.
[01:33:52.150 --> 01:33:54.150]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, it's a great way for a lot of people to be involved, too.
[01:33:54.330 --> 01:33:56.870]  [KYLEDROSDK]: If you're doing a watch party or something at a...
[01:33:56.870 --> 01:34:05.290]  [ALEXURBELS]: Well, the other thing, too, is, you know, I often end up at the last HOPE emceeing a lot, right?
[01:34:05.290 --> 01:34:11.610]  [ALEXURBELS]: And so, you know, I tried to channel our dear friend, Greg Newby, in many ways.
[01:34:12.010 --> 01:34:24.170]  [ALEXURBELS]: And so part of that emceeing, I had to watch the Matrix channel and essentially relay any questions that people from the Matrix channels and the virtual attendees had for the speakers.
[01:34:24.830 --> 01:34:31.510]  [ALEXURBELS]: And I thought it was actually really cool because we would give all of the virtual attendees priority with their questions, right?
[01:34:31.510 --> 01:34:36.390]  [ALEXURBELS]: So you actually have, I think, better access to the speaker when you're a virtual attendee.
[01:34:36.550 --> 01:34:37.930]  [ALEXURBELS]: It's definitely something to check out.
[01:34:38.130 --> 01:34:39.430]  [ALEXURBELS]: You're part of the action.
[01:34:39.850 --> 01:34:41.290]  [ALEXURBELS]: And we make sure of it.
[01:34:41.470 --> 01:34:41.630]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:34:41.930 --> 01:34:49.350]  [EVILCORLEY]: And you mentioned it, Greg, just makes me realize we are undertaking so much without having him here.
[01:34:50.510 --> 01:34:52.950]  [EVILCORLEY]: This is the first year we've done that.
[01:34:52.950 --> 01:34:54.590]  [EVILCORLEY]: And it's incredibly difficult.
[01:34:54.950 --> 01:35:00.310]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's like, you know, the workload has doubled, maybe even tripled, because he's done so much in the past.
[01:35:00.310 --> 01:35:02.890]  [EVILCORLEY]: And now we don't have him anymore.
[01:35:03.290 --> 01:35:05.250]  [EVILCORLEY]: And that alone is so hard.
[01:35:05.730 --> 01:35:13.090]  [EVILCORLEY]: But trying to duplicate or at least, you know, measure up in some way to all the things he did, it's so difficult.
[01:35:13.090 --> 01:35:13.850]  [EVILCORLEY]: It really is.
[01:35:14.010 --> 01:35:18.910]  [EVILCORLEY]: So that's why we're stressed, because, boy, it's a lot, a lot to undertake.
[01:35:19.710 --> 01:35:22.570]  [EVILCORLEY]: And it just seems like it's one challenge after another.
[01:35:22.750 --> 01:35:23.970]  [EVILCORLEY]: First, we lose Hotel Penn.
[01:35:24.310 --> 01:35:25.630]  [EVILCORLEY]: Then COVID happens.
[01:35:25.810 --> 01:35:28.250]  [EVILCORLEY]: Then we're in this college in Queens.
[01:35:28.590 --> 01:35:29.850]  [EVILCORLEY]: Then they kick us out.
[01:35:29.970 --> 01:35:32.970]  [EVILCORLEY]: Then we have to find a place in Manhattan, which we somehow managed to do.
[01:35:33.630 --> 01:35:38.370]  [EVILCORLEY]: And now we're struggling to bring up those attendee numbers so that we can actually afford to do this.
[01:35:38.710 --> 01:35:41.990]  [EVILCORLEY]: We want to just, you know, bring the best conference possible.
[01:35:41.990 --> 01:35:44.650]  [EVILCORLEY]: And, you know, look at our speakers.
[01:35:45.110 --> 01:35:47.090]  [EVILCORLEY]: They're all online, hope.net right now.
[01:35:47.510 --> 01:35:48.470]  [EVILCORLEY]: They're really awesome.
[01:35:48.710 --> 01:35:49.430]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's really amazing.
[01:35:49.610 --> 01:35:51.890]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's one of the best conferences in the country, I think.
[01:35:52.510 --> 01:35:57.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: So we just hope a lot of people support it and make it happen so that it'll happen again.
[01:35:58.430 --> 01:36:02.170]  [ALEXURBELS]: And I really do have a fantastic feeling about this one.
[01:36:02.310 --> 01:36:05.090]  [ALEXURBELS]: Being in a New Yorker hotel is going to be extraordinary.
[01:36:05.110 --> 01:36:06.530]  [ALEXURBELS]: There's just so much stuff around there.
[01:36:06.530 --> 01:36:11.450]  [ALEXURBELS]: But I think this one is going to be one that's historical.
[01:36:11.650 --> 01:36:12.910]  [ALEXURBELS]: It's not to be missed.
[01:36:13.110 --> 01:36:15.710]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, we are where Tesla lived and died.
[01:36:15.910 --> 01:36:17.010]  [ALEXURBELS]: There's an energy there.
[01:36:17.170 --> 01:36:22.490]  [ALEXURBELS]: When we did the walkthrough and we went through, you know, the whole venue, I'm super excited about this.
[01:36:22.590 --> 01:36:30.290]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, just even inside the hotel are so many cool places like that diner over there, plus the steak restaurant that's in the hotel.
[01:36:30.490 --> 01:36:34.490]  [ALEXURBELS]: Just imagine that being all these places being taken over by hackers.
[01:36:34.490 --> 01:36:35.710]  [ALEXURBELS]: It's going to be...
[01:36:35.710 --> 01:36:36.270]  [ALEXURBELS]: In a good way.
[01:36:36.370 --> 01:36:37.230]  [ALEXURBELS]: In a good way, yes.
[01:36:37.310 --> 01:36:37.470]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[01:36:37.730 --> 01:36:40.010]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't want them to tune in and, like, panic.
[01:36:40.510 --> 01:36:41.310]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's like, you know...
[01:36:41.310 --> 01:36:41.530]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[01:36:41.930 --> 01:36:43.110]  [ALEXURBELS]: There's a lot.
[01:36:43.230 --> 01:36:46.630]  [ALEXURBELS]: There's going to be a lot of exploring happening in the New York hotel.
[01:36:46.630 --> 01:36:49.310]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's a 24-hour diner downstairs in the hotel.
[01:36:50.430 --> 01:36:55.310]  [EVILCORLEY]: And there are bars, you know, across the street and on the next block.
[01:36:55.490 --> 01:36:56.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: And they're everywhere.
[01:36:56.650 --> 01:36:57.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: There's something to do.
[01:36:57.750 --> 01:36:59.030]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's right by Penn Station.
[01:36:59.150 --> 01:37:00.230]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's the most lively place.
[01:37:00.750 --> 01:37:01.590]  [EVILCORLEY]: It never sleeps.
[01:37:02.210 --> 01:37:02.650]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, we think...
[01:37:02.650 --> 01:37:03.810]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And, you know, what I love...
[01:37:03.810 --> 01:37:04.710]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Oh, go ahead, Kyle.
[01:37:04.890 --> 01:37:05.530]  [KYLEDROSDK]: No, I just think...
[01:37:05.530 --> 01:37:06.430]  [KYLEDROSDK]: We think of it as a home.
[01:37:06.630 --> 01:37:08.410]  [KYLEDROSDK]: You know, it's not really being taken over.
[01:37:08.410 --> 01:37:09.490]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It's just our new home.
[01:37:09.650 --> 01:37:14.810]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And, you know, we want to really have the best sort of housewarming party we can have.
[01:37:15.090 --> 01:37:15.450]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Do you realize?
[01:37:15.450 --> 01:37:18.150]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And really, like, learn and grow into the space.
[01:37:18.150 --> 01:37:19.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's the center.
[01:37:19.430 --> 01:37:23.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: I mean, you know, New York City has the best area code, right?
[01:37:23.410 --> 01:37:24.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: 2-1-2.
[01:37:24.450 --> 01:37:30.570]  [EVILCORLEY]: Because, you know, in the rotary dial era, those were the fewest pulses that you had to transmit.
[01:37:30.930 --> 01:37:31.750]  [EVILCORLEY]: 2-1-2.
[01:37:31.750 --> 01:37:33.310]  [EVILCORLEY]: There was nothing else like that.
[01:37:33.510 --> 01:37:35.570]  [EVILCORLEY]: The next one was 2-1-3 or 3-1-2.
[01:37:35.750 --> 01:37:36.630]  [EVILCORLEY]: There was an extra pulse.
[01:37:36.790 --> 01:37:37.730]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, 2-1-2.
[01:37:37.870 --> 01:37:42.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: And then the ZIP Code in the area is 1-0-0-0-1.
[01:37:42.550 --> 01:37:44.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's the first area code.
[01:37:44.750 --> 01:37:47.930]  [EVILCORLEY]: I mean, unless you go back to zeros, but then you're just being a pain in the ass.
[01:37:48.270 --> 01:37:49.430]  [EVILCORLEY]: Nobody really counts those.
[01:37:51.530 --> 01:37:52.290]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, I didn't.
[01:37:52.290 --> 01:37:52.710]  [ALEXURBELS]: I didn't.
[01:37:52.710 --> 01:37:53.730]  [ALEXURBELS]: Never really put that together.
[01:37:53.910 --> 01:37:56.050]  [ALEXURBELS]: I guess that's kind of where the whole thing started, huh?
[01:37:56.230 --> 01:37:57.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, I don't think anyone's figured that out yet.
[01:37:58.490 --> 01:37:58.850]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's...
[01:37:58.850 --> 01:37:58.950]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:37:59.570 --> 01:38:00.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: Do we have another phone call?
[01:38:00.390 --> 01:38:00.630]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:38:00.930 --> 01:38:02.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: Boy, we have a lot of phone calls tonight.
[01:38:02.950 --> 01:38:03.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: Let's do it.
[01:38:03.750 --> 01:38:06.110]  [EVILCORLEY]: Somehow, when we don't have Gila, we get more phone calls.
[01:38:06.430 --> 01:38:06.930]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[01:38:07.330 --> 01:38:07.910]  [EVILCORLEY]: Good evening.
[01:38:08.110 --> 01:38:09.750]  [EVILCORLEY]: You're on Off The Hook Overtime.
[01:38:09.830 --> 01:38:10.030]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead.
[01:38:11.450 --> 01:38:11.810]  [SPEAKER_02]: Hello.
[01:38:12.190 --> 01:38:12.470]  [EVILCORLEY]: Hi.
[01:38:12.470 --> 01:38:18.090]  [SPEAKER_02]: In 2002, I saw a Bond movie in the theater called Die Another Day.
[01:38:18.470 --> 01:38:28.050]  [SPEAKER_02]: And as part of the Wikipedia article, it says, at his ice palace in Iceland, Graves and Giles, a new orbital mirror satellite, Icarus.
[01:38:28.190 --> 01:38:28.570]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, no.
[01:38:28.690 --> 01:38:34.590]  [SPEAKER_02]: Which is able to put stellar energy on a small area and provide year-round sunshine for agriculture.
[01:38:35.370 --> 01:38:37.230]  [SPEAKER_02]: You can imagine there was trouble with that.
[01:38:37.850 --> 01:38:40.930]  [EVILCORLEY]: So what, this company got its idea from a James Bond film?
[01:38:43.110 --> 01:38:47.070]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, maybe the idea comes up naturally to certain people.
[01:38:47.970 --> 01:38:50.190]  [SPEAKER_02]: But, yeah, I remember seeing that.
[01:38:50.370 --> 01:38:53.050]  [SPEAKER_02]: And, yes, it was a Bond movie.
[01:38:53.930 --> 01:38:54.450]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[01:38:54.750 --> 01:38:55.070]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:38:55.150 --> 01:38:56.430]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, now I have to see that movie.
[01:38:58.410 --> 01:38:59.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's incredible.
[01:39:02.450 --> 01:39:02.890]  [EVILCORLEY]: Cool.
[01:39:02.910 --> 01:39:03.510]  [EVILCORLEY]: Where are you calling from?
[01:39:04.710 --> 01:39:06.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm calling from the Bronx.
[01:39:06.630 --> 01:39:06.970]  [EVILCORLEY]: Awesome.
[01:39:07.910 --> 01:39:09.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, thanks for sharing that.
[01:39:09.570 --> 01:39:09.990]  [EVILCORLEY]: Anything else?
[01:39:11.030 --> 01:39:11.430]  [SPEAKER_02]: You're welcome.
[01:39:11.570 --> 01:39:11.750]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[01:39:11.750 --> 01:39:23.590]  [SPEAKER_02]: I remember that Madison Square Garden, because they demolished the old Penn Station in order to build it, is supposed to owe certain things to the public.
[01:39:24.050 --> 01:39:32.790]  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's why they were supposed to renegotiate a deal, which is supposed to benefit the public because of the fact that they're using that space.
[01:39:33.090 --> 01:39:35.470]  [SPEAKER_02]: But I think things sort of went wrong with that.
[01:39:35.550 --> 01:39:35.950]  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[01:39:36.170 --> 01:39:38.070]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, it'd be good if we could find that agreement.
[01:39:38.070 --> 01:39:47.210]  [EVILCORLEY]: It must be in newspapers of the time, because, you know, when they destroyed the original Penn Station, that was a real black mark on New York City.
[01:39:47.590 --> 01:39:49.390]  [EVILCORLEY]: Everybody regrets doing that.
[01:39:49.510 --> 01:39:53.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's a beautiful station, and it was completely destroyed.
[01:39:53.270 --> 01:39:56.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: Now, of course, they're rebuilding Penn Station, trying to bring it back to that era.
[01:39:56.490 --> 01:39:59.770]  [EVILCORLEY]: But we're talking, you know, about 70 years ago, this happened.
[01:39:59.770 --> 01:40:02.030]  [EVILCORLEY]: And it was just a huge, huge mistake.
[01:40:02.170 --> 01:40:10.490]  [EVILCORLEY]: So if the current Madison Square Garden was responsible for that and pledged to, you know, give payback somehow, they definitely should be held to that.
[01:40:12.890 --> 01:40:14.850]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, there was some deal originally.
[01:40:15.870 --> 01:40:28.510]  [SPEAKER_02]: I found some search results about Trump paying $8 billion to our MSG continue or something like that I didn't look into those too deeply, because I just put them up there.
[01:40:30.910 --> 01:40:32.690]  [SPEAKER_02]: But, yeah, you should look into that.
[01:40:33.010 --> 01:40:33.290]  [EVILCORLEY]: I will.
[01:40:33.470 --> 01:40:33.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: I will.
[01:40:33.970 --> 01:40:35.030]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's definitely of interest.
[01:40:35.450 --> 01:40:37.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: Thanks so much for your call, and keep listening.
[01:40:39.490 --> 01:40:39.890]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[01:40:40.270 --> 01:40:40.590]  [EVILCORLEY]: Take care.
[01:40:42.990 --> 01:40:45.670]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, so good calls tonight, for the most part.
[01:40:46.710 --> 01:40:48.890]  [EVILCORLEY]: I guess we have room for one or two more.
[01:40:49.590 --> 01:40:51.790]  [EVILCORLEY]: 802-321-4225 is our phone number.
[01:40:54.070 --> 01:40:54.430]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yes.
[01:40:54.910 --> 01:40:55.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: What happened to Alex?
[01:40:55.870 --> 01:40:57.230]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's really, really dark where he is.
[01:40:58.170 --> 01:40:58.770]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Oh, wow.
[01:40:58.830 --> 01:40:59.690]  [KYLEDROSDK]: He's not there anymore.
[01:40:59.890 --> 01:41:00.890]  [EVILCORLEY]: What do you mean he's not there anymore?
[01:41:01.070 --> 01:41:01.890]  [EVILCORLEY]: What am I looking at?
[01:41:02.070 --> 01:41:03.450]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It looks like he, uh...
[01:41:03.970 --> 01:41:05.210]  [KYLEDROSDK]: He, like, wandered off.
[01:41:05.830 --> 01:41:07.650]  [EVILCORLEY]: But we're seeing where he was, right?
[01:41:07.990 --> 01:41:08.870]  [KYLEDROSDK]: We have a phone call.
[01:41:08.990 --> 01:41:09.830]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, I see his hand.
[01:41:10.570 --> 01:41:11.150]  [ALEXURBELS]: I'm here.
[01:41:11.270 --> 01:41:11.590]  [ALEXURBELS]: I'm here.
[01:41:11.630 --> 01:41:12.730]  [ALEXURBELS]: I just had to go get some water.
[01:41:12.910 --> 01:41:13.510]  [ALEXURBELS]: I'm outside.
[01:41:13.510 --> 01:41:13.990]  [ALEXURBELS]: It's hot.
[01:41:14.590 --> 01:41:15.830]  [EVILCORLEY]: You figured that out, huh?
[01:41:15.950 --> 01:41:17.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, it's hot outside.
[01:41:17.210 --> 01:41:18.330]  [EVILCORLEY]: We've been talking about that all night.
[01:41:18.990 --> 01:41:20.770]  [ALEXURBELS]: I needed a hydration break, you know?
[01:41:20.770 --> 01:41:21.790]  [ALEXURBELS]: Oh, this is like the World Cup.
[01:41:22.010 --> 01:41:22.530]  [ALEXURBELS]: Oh, very, very funny.
[01:41:22.530 --> 01:41:23.110]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, all right.
[01:41:23.210 --> 01:41:25.010]  [KYLEDROSDK]: We promised the chat we wouldn't do this.
[01:41:25.130 --> 01:41:25.530]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Come on now.
[01:41:26.650 --> 01:41:30.590]  [EVILCORLEY]: I've got to tell you, the American announcers on the World Cup, they really try my patience.
[01:41:31.010 --> 01:41:33.910]  [EVILCORLEY]: I've had to do what many people do, is turn to Telemundo.
[01:41:34.170 --> 01:41:36.930]  [EVILCORLEY]: And even though I don't know Spanish, it's far preferable.
[01:41:37.510 --> 01:41:41.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: But we have actually two more options, because we have Canadian TV.
[01:41:42.010 --> 01:41:44.770]  [EVILCORLEY]: We can watch TSN, the sports network up there.
[01:41:45.350 --> 01:41:48.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: And they use British announcers.
[01:41:48.950 --> 01:41:50.590]  [EVILCORLEY]: And, you know, you can just relax.
[01:41:50.750 --> 01:41:53.290]  [EVILCORLEY]: They're not constantly barraging you with statistics that are meaningless.
[01:41:53.550 --> 01:41:57.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: I mean, who cares if England did the same thing 60 years ago?
[01:41:57.310 --> 01:41:58.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's not the same team.
[01:41:58.390 --> 01:41:59.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's not the same people.
[01:41:59.490 --> 01:42:01.070]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's got just the same country name.
[01:42:01.170 --> 01:42:02.090]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's not relevant.
[01:42:02.350 --> 01:42:04.070]  [EVILCORLEY]: And we can also watch it in French.
[01:42:04.270 --> 01:42:04.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:42:04.530 --> 01:42:06.030]  [EVILCORLEY]: So we have all these options.
[01:42:06.330 --> 01:42:06.630]  [EVILCORLEY]: We, we.
[01:42:06.810 --> 01:42:09.090]  [EVILCORLEY]: We can also just watch it with the sound off.
[01:42:09.170 --> 01:42:10.430]  [EVILCORLEY]: I suppose that's a fifth option.
[01:42:10.710 --> 01:42:10.870]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[01:42:11.010 --> 01:42:12.810]  [ALEXURBELS]: The statistics are weird.
[01:42:12.990 --> 01:42:13.270]  [ALEXURBELS]: I agree.
[01:42:13.430 --> 01:42:13.590]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[01:42:13.710 --> 01:42:14.810]  [ALEXURBELS]: It's meaningless.
[01:42:15.270 --> 01:42:15.550]  [ALEXURBELS]: Good evening.
[01:42:15.690 --> 01:42:16.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: You're on Off The Hook Overtime.
[01:42:16.570 --> 01:42:16.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead.
[01:42:18.150 --> 01:42:18.370]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[01:42:18.450 --> 01:42:18.650]  [SPEAKER_02]: Hi.
[01:42:18.850 --> 01:42:21.490]  [SPEAKER_02]: On June 10th, I bought a virtual ticket.
[01:42:21.490 --> 01:42:31.470]  [SPEAKER_02]: And I just wanted to know when I'll be receiving a follow-up email that includes either a password or login instructions to connect when the conference begins.
[01:42:31.470 --> 01:42:33.670]  [EVILCORLEY]: You'll be getting information.
[01:42:33.670 --> 01:42:34.650]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead, Kyle.
[01:42:34.810 --> 01:42:36.650]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Far closer to the conference date.
[01:42:36.830 --> 01:42:41.070]  [EVILCORLEY]: We still have about four weeks, but it will be within a week or two of the conference.
[01:42:41.230 --> 01:42:42.250]  [EVILCORLEY]: You'll check your email.
[01:42:42.370 --> 01:42:46.030]  [EVILCORLEY]: Make sure you have access to the same email you used when you bought the ticket.
[01:42:47.430 --> 01:42:49.550]  [EVILCORLEY]: And you'll, you'll get notified.
[01:42:49.950 --> 01:42:51.790]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's, that's just how we've always done it.
[01:42:51.890 --> 01:42:52.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: And it works great.
[01:42:52.710 --> 01:42:52.870]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[01:42:52.910 --> 01:42:54.370]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It's really good advice for everybody.
[01:42:54.530 --> 01:42:56.430]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Just like, make sure you're getting those emails.
[01:42:56.430 --> 01:43:05.790]  [KYLEDROSDK]: They're not going to someplace you don't see them and look for a, I would say a flurry, a little, as minimal as we can, but several announcements in the lead up.
[01:43:06.010 --> 01:43:14.550]  [KYLEDROSDK]: But it's going to be later because of course we have, we have to do all of our internal testing and make sure that we're ready to go with all of it for you.
[01:43:14.650 --> 01:43:15.950]  [KYLEDROSDK]: So we don't have any hiccups.
[01:43:16.110 --> 01:43:19.290]  [EVILCORLEY]: Feel free to, you know, to email us if you need to check anything.
[01:43:20.490 --> 01:43:27.850]  [SPEAKER_02]: So it'll be roughly about a week before, maybe that I'll get the final email that acknowledges I have a virtual ticket.
[01:43:28.250 --> 01:43:32.550]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, that's about, that's about a good approximate date.
[01:43:32.730 --> 01:43:43.450]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Just in that window, we're probably going to be making some final touches on it, but sending out announcements through our regular correspondence.
[01:43:43.770 --> 01:43:47.830]  [EVILCORLEY]: When you made the purchase, though, you should have gotten something from our store saying thank you.
[01:43:47.970 --> 01:43:50.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, so that's, that's your, thank you.
[01:43:50.550 --> 01:43:51.710]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's your receipt right there.
[01:43:51.850 --> 01:43:53.890]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, you know, we're not going to forget about you.
[01:43:53.890 --> 01:43:55.490]  [EVILCORLEY]: You're going to hear from us again.
[01:43:55.730 --> 01:44:02.490]  [EVILCORLEY]: And with instructions, if you have any trouble with the instructions, we have a crew standing by to help you access everything.
[01:44:03.570 --> 01:44:09.250]  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and do I need to set up an account with Matrix just to view the sessions?
[01:44:09.250 --> 01:44:12.510]  [SPEAKER_02]: Or is that only if I want to ask questions of the speakers?
[01:44:12.810 --> 01:44:13.530]  [SPEAKER_02]: Only if...
[01:44:13.530 --> 01:44:15.030]  [SPEAKER_02]: Interact with other attendees.
[01:44:15.850 --> 01:44:16.430]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Got it.
[01:44:16.510 --> 01:44:16.790]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, yeah.
[01:44:16.930 --> 01:44:17.970]  [KYLEDROSDK]: No, that's a great question.
[01:44:18.150 --> 01:44:34.910]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Only if you would like to interact with the other attendees and look around at some of the other rooms because the Matrix environment, there's actually many other channels and things that sometimes become active again, like they are idle a little bit in between events,
[01:44:34.930 --> 01:44:36.450]  [KYLEDROSDK]: but it's actually grown.
[01:44:36.650 --> 01:44:38.030]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And so there's other stuff there.
[01:44:38.330 --> 01:44:46.590]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And also other channels about general chatting, general conversation about how the conference is going.
[01:44:46.590 --> 01:44:53.450]  [KYLEDROSDK]: So you can really kind of wander around there outside of the channels that we'll likely be setting up...
[01:44:53.450 --> 01:44:56.110]  [KYLEDROSDK]: that we'll set up definitely for each of the three tracks.
[01:44:56.350 --> 01:45:02.830]  [KYLEDROSDK]: What you would do to view is just use the streaming links that we're going to be setting up.
[01:45:03.750 --> 01:45:10.110]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And those will likely be on a platform, some kind of streaming platform.
[01:45:10.650 --> 01:45:14.730]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I'm thinking maybe like YouTube or a...
[01:45:15.390 --> 01:45:19.690]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I'm not sure exactly the details of where we're going to be referencing, but that's going to be information.
[01:45:19.950 --> 01:45:24.390]  [KYLEDROSDK]: We'll have announcements and posts on the wiki closer to the event.
[01:45:24.510 --> 01:45:31.330]  [KYLEDROSDK]: So you'd be able to watch online if you're a virtual and then use Matrix alongside that.
[01:45:31.490 --> 01:45:32.730]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I hope that answers your question.
[01:45:33.230 --> 01:45:34.170]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that does.
[01:45:34.290 --> 01:45:39.690]  [SPEAKER_02]: So it could be YouTube, but it might be something other than YouTube, you're saying, as far as the streaming platform.
[01:45:39.690 --> 01:45:44.370]  [EVILCORLEY]: YouTube is definitely not going to be our primary streaming because they're very restrictive as far as...
[01:45:44.370 --> 01:45:47.990]  [EVILCORLEY]: If you whistle the wrong thing, they'll shut you down.
[01:45:48.190 --> 01:45:48.550]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Exactly.
[01:45:48.550 --> 01:45:57.870]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It's worked great in the past, except for instances where something totally random gets flagged and then all of a sudden you're down a stream.
[01:45:57.990 --> 01:45:59.030]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It's really not reliable.
[01:45:59.330 --> 01:46:00.970]  [KYLEDROSDK]: So we're trying to...
[01:46:02.690 --> 01:46:17.070]  [KYLEDROSDK]: We have a lot of different ways to do it, but the best way for us is still kind of straddling something that is hosted like that that can really handle the scale that sometimes occurs around HOPE.
[01:46:18.370 --> 01:46:21.910]  [KYLEDROSDK]: But yeah, we don't want to have any kind of disruption either.
[01:46:21.910 --> 01:46:28.610]  [KYLEDROSDK]: So we're going to have explicit links that we'll be referencing on the wiki and in some of those correspondence to look out for.
[01:46:28.770 --> 01:46:28.910]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yep.
[01:46:28.910 --> 01:46:32.450]  [EVILCORLEY]: And as a paid attendee, you'll be getting access to all of that.
[01:46:33.350 --> 01:46:33.750]  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[01:46:33.890 --> 01:46:40.110]  [SPEAKER_02]: And I assume that there will be an email address listed on the website to contact if I need help.
[01:46:40.190 --> 01:46:40.570]  [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[01:46:40.770 --> 01:46:40.890]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[01:46:41.530 --> 01:46:42.350]  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, great.
[01:46:43.170 --> 01:46:43.890]  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, great.
[01:46:44.010 --> 01:46:48.290]  [SPEAKER_02]: And by the way, I've never been to Albania, but I got to give a shout out.
[01:46:48.410 --> 01:46:51.150]  [SPEAKER_02]: They have one of the coolest flags I've ever seen.
[01:46:51.230 --> 01:46:51.830]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, isn't it?
[01:46:51.990 --> 01:46:53.150]  [SPEAKER_02]: The double-headed eagle.
[01:46:53.270 --> 01:46:53.930]  [EVILCORLEY]: Isn't that amazing?
[01:46:54.270 --> 01:46:54.570]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:46:54.870 --> 01:46:55.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yes.
[01:46:55.330 --> 01:46:57.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: You see it in various places.
[01:46:57.710 --> 01:46:58.550]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's so recognizable.
[01:46:59.950 --> 01:47:01.970]  [SPEAKER_02]: And Montenegro has a cool one, too.
[01:47:02.110 --> 01:47:07.070]  [SPEAKER_02]: They also have a double-headed eagle, and that's on a coat of arms, so it's more elegant.
[01:47:07.390 --> 01:47:09.210]  [SPEAKER_02]: But those are two of the best.
[01:47:09.330 --> 01:47:09.590]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[01:47:09.750 --> 01:47:09.970]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:47:10.130 --> 01:47:10.310]  [EVILCORLEY]: As far as flags.
[01:47:10.470 --> 01:47:11.970]  [EVILCORLEY]: Some good flags out there.
[01:47:12.790 --> 01:47:14.330]  [SPEAKER_02]: There are lots of good flags.
[01:47:14.470 --> 01:47:18.830]  [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, that's my only criticism of the World Cup, is the teams with the coolest...
[01:47:18.830 --> 01:47:22.290]  [SPEAKER_02]: The countries with the coolest national flags never qualify.
[01:47:22.630 --> 01:47:22.990]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[01:47:23.030 --> 01:47:26.790]  [SPEAKER_02]: You've never seen Nepal or Bhutan in the World Cup.
[01:47:26.790 --> 01:47:29.130]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, they've got the triangular flags, right?
[01:47:29.690 --> 01:47:30.030]  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[01:47:30.190 --> 01:47:33.890]  [SPEAKER_02]: Nepal is the only country with a non-quadrilinear flag.
[01:47:34.090 --> 01:47:45.050]  [SPEAKER_02]: And I'd love to see them in the finals because to see 35,000 or 40,000 Nepali flags being waved in the stadium would be pretty cool.
[01:47:45.270 --> 01:47:45.550]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[01:47:45.730 --> 01:47:49.730]  [SPEAKER_02]: And Bhutan is the only country that has a dragon on a flag.
[01:47:49.910 --> 01:47:50.730]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, wow.
[01:47:51.910 --> 01:47:52.790]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so...
[01:47:52.790 --> 01:47:53.870]  [SPEAKER_02]: But the World Cup is great.
[01:47:53.870 --> 01:47:54.470]  [SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
[01:47:54.530 --> 01:47:55.450]  [SPEAKER_02]: I just wish...
[01:47:55.450 --> 01:47:58.230]  [SPEAKER_02]: Wish they'd start earlier because this...
[01:47:58.770 --> 01:48:01.390]  [SPEAKER_02]: Because of climate change, I don't know if it's gonna...
[01:48:01.390 --> 01:48:07.150]  [SPEAKER_02]: If they're gonna be able to keep doing this because I don't want to see people dying in the stands from heat stroke.
[01:48:07.550 --> 01:48:07.990]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:48:08.110 --> 01:48:08.970]  [SPEAKER_02]: We're getting...
[01:48:08.970 --> 01:48:11.510]  [EVILCORLEY]: Not just in the field, but in the stands as well.
[01:48:11.750 --> 01:48:11.890]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:48:12.070 --> 01:48:14.090]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's definitely a bit much.
[01:48:14.250 --> 01:48:18.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: We thought Qatar was like a challenge, but the United States has been a challenge too.
[01:48:18.930 --> 01:48:23.550]  [SPEAKER_02]: I think they should consider starting in April, actually, with the heat.
[01:48:23.790 --> 01:48:28.870]  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, start it like the first week of April and end it maybe at the end of June or something.
[01:48:29.030 --> 01:48:34.510]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, you heard MLS, Major League Soccer in this country, they're switching their season to winter instead of summer.
[01:48:36.470 --> 01:48:37.570]  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that's better.
[01:48:37.730 --> 01:48:37.890]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[01:48:37.970 --> 01:48:39.670]  [SPEAKER_02]: I just think it's too...
[01:48:39.670 --> 01:48:40.910]  [SPEAKER_02]: It's too damn hot.
[01:48:41.090 --> 01:48:42.050]  [SPEAKER_02]: It's just too...
[01:48:42.050 --> 01:48:44.950]  [SPEAKER_02]: It has to affect the quality of play.
[01:48:45.110 --> 01:48:48.150]  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, these guys are elite athletes, but they're human.
[01:48:48.950 --> 01:48:51.550]  [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think they were...
[01:48:51.550 --> 01:48:52.650]  [SPEAKER_02]: Men were designed...
[01:48:52.650 --> 01:48:55.890]  [SPEAKER_02]: Or athletes were designed to play in 95-degree weather.
[01:48:56.070 --> 01:48:58.050]  [SPEAKER_02]: You're not going to perform at your best.
[01:48:58.230 --> 01:48:58.570]  [SPEAKER_02]: That's just common sense.
[01:48:58.570 --> 01:48:59.110]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's definitely true.
[01:48:59.330 --> 01:49:02.390]  [EVILCORLEY]: There was real concern when England were playing in Mexico City.
[01:49:02.670 --> 01:49:04.250]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, the heat and also the altitude.
[01:49:04.930 --> 01:49:05.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's just...
[01:49:05.690 --> 01:49:06.590]  [EVILCORLEY]: But they did all right.
[01:49:06.750 --> 01:49:07.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: They won.
[01:49:08.250 --> 01:49:08.730]  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[01:49:08.850 --> 01:49:11.090]  [SPEAKER_02]: But then they lost to today.
[01:49:11.250 --> 01:49:12.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, spoiler alert.
[01:49:12.530 --> 01:49:12.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yes.
[01:49:13.010 --> 01:49:13.170]  [SPEAKER_02]: I was rooting.
[01:49:13.170 --> 01:49:19.010]  [SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to see England and France in the final, but maybe next time now.
[01:49:19.210 --> 01:49:19.370]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:49:19.490 --> 01:49:23.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, you know, it's interesting that the final four teams were also the top-rated four teams.
[01:49:23.830 --> 01:49:24.630]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's pretty cool.
[01:49:24.850 --> 01:49:25.190]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[01:49:26.290 --> 01:49:27.950]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's something.
[01:49:28.130 --> 01:49:29.690]  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's worth noting.
[01:49:29.870 --> 01:49:35.610]  [SPEAKER_02]: But I'd like to see an expanded roster of teams, but they've got to push it back.
[01:49:35.750 --> 01:49:37.430]  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, start in April, for Christ's sake.
[01:49:37.430 --> 01:49:39.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, this was the expanded roster.
[01:49:39.470 --> 01:49:42.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: This was 48 teams instead of 32, and now they're talking about making it 64.
[01:49:43.510 --> 01:49:44.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, wow.
[01:49:44.150 --> 01:49:44.290]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:49:44.370 --> 01:49:45.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's like everybody will qualify.
[01:49:45.950 --> 01:49:46.650]  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, 64 would be cool.
[01:49:46.830 --> 01:49:47.350]  [SPEAKER_02]: It would be.
[01:49:47.350 --> 01:49:47.790]  [SPEAKER_02]: It would be.
[01:49:48.930 --> 01:49:52.090]  [SPEAKER_02]: But there's 210 teams, you know?
[01:49:52.130 --> 01:49:52.530]  [SPEAKER_02]: No, you're right.
[01:49:52.630 --> 01:49:57.590]  [SPEAKER_02]: So, there are more members of FIFA than the U.N.
[01:49:57.970 --> 01:49:58.550]  [SPEAKER_02]: General Assembly.
[01:49:58.790 --> 01:49:59.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yes.
[01:49:59.170 --> 01:49:59.650]  [SPEAKER_02]: That's pretty weird.
[01:49:59.690 --> 01:50:00.390]  [EVILCORLEY]: That is pretty weird.
[01:50:00.490 --> 01:50:00.910]  [SPEAKER_02]: The U.N.
[01:50:01.370 --> 01:50:06.610]  [SPEAKER_02]: General Assembly has 193, but also because there are four U.K.
[01:50:06.770 --> 01:50:11.670]  [SPEAKER_02]: teams, England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland instead of one U.K.
[01:50:11.810 --> 01:50:13.070]  [SPEAKER_02]: team, which is kind of weird.
[01:50:13.190 --> 01:50:13.650]  [EVILCORLEY]: That is weird.
[01:50:13.730 --> 01:50:14.750]  [EVILCORLEY]: I've always wondered about that.
[01:50:15.430 --> 01:50:28.270]  [SPEAKER_02]: No, I saw on Google, I said, residents in Scotland and Wales are very resentful and they don't like England, so they insist on having their own teams.
[01:50:28.450 --> 01:50:28.730]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh-huh.
[01:50:29.030 --> 01:50:44.970]  [SPEAKER_02]: And maybe Alex could speak to that because he travels to England a lot, but there's a lot of animosity according to what I saw on the Internet in Wales and Scotland and they would never agree to have one team.
[01:50:45.070 --> 01:50:50.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, I'm just glad there's a Scottish team because what magic they brought to the event.
[01:50:51.290 --> 01:50:52.550]  [SPEAKER_02]: They did bring magic.
[01:50:52.790 --> 01:50:53.090]  [SPEAKER_02]: They did.
[01:50:53.490 --> 01:50:53.750]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[01:50:54.070 --> 01:50:54.310]  [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[01:50:54.310 --> 01:50:54.950]  [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for your call.
[01:50:55.170 --> 01:50:57.590]  [SPEAKER_02]: I look forward to getting the emails and have a great conference.
[01:50:57.690 --> 01:50:57.850]  [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[01:50:57.950 --> 01:50:58.190]  [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks.
[01:50:58.510 --> 01:50:59.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, see you there.
[01:50:59.270 --> 01:51:00.110]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wish us luck, please.
[01:51:00.570 --> 01:51:01.370]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, we'll need it.
[01:51:01.470 --> 01:51:01.850]  [EVILCORLEY]: We'll need it.
[01:51:02.050 --> 01:51:02.790]  [EVILCORLEY]: Alex, did you have something?
[01:51:02.990 --> 01:51:03.170]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yep.
[01:51:03.750 --> 01:51:04.050]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[01:51:04.750 --> 01:51:17.250]  [ALEXURBELS]: I think, you know, we have somebody in the chat from England right now who can probably speak to the various national prides that Wales and Scotland has better than I could.
[01:51:17.530 --> 01:51:22.050]  [ALEXURBELS]: But you recall, you know, I don't remember exactly how many years ago it was, but it wasn't too long ago.
[01:51:22.050 --> 01:51:27.090]  [ALEXURBELS]: But there was a referendum in the United Kingdom about whether Scotland should become its own country.
[01:51:27.090 --> 01:51:29.330]  [ALEXURBELS]: And I believe it almost passed.
[01:51:30.630 --> 01:51:33.990]  [ALEXURBELS]: So, yeah, there's a lot of resentment and national pride.
[01:51:33.990 --> 01:51:39.230]  [ALEXURBELS]: And in sort of your geography and you're part of the United Kingdom, right?
[01:51:39.430 --> 01:51:41.550]  [ALEXURBELS]: You know, and you may not want to be part of that United Kingdom.
[01:51:41.710 --> 01:51:42.950]  [ALEXURBELS]: You might want to be your own kingdom.
[01:51:44.130 --> 01:51:45.910]  [ALEXURBELS]: So, yeah, I get it.
[01:51:46.030 --> 01:51:50.570]  [ALEXURBELS]: But I will leave it to people far more knowledgeable who are quite literally in the thick of it.
[01:51:51.070 --> 01:51:55.910]  [ALEXURBELS]: But the caller was really kind of up on flags there.
[01:51:56.150 --> 01:51:56.350]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[01:51:56.350 --> 01:51:58.730]  [ALEXURBELS]: I want to ask you guys a question there.
[01:51:58.990 --> 01:52:03.390]  [ALEXURBELS]: Do you know what the word is for the study of flags?
[01:52:03.710 --> 01:52:05.750]  [ALEXURBELS]: There's a whole ology.
[01:52:06.450 --> 01:52:09.490]  [EVILCORLEY]: I can tell you right away I do not know that.
[01:52:09.930 --> 01:52:10.590]  [EVILCORLEY]: Do you, Kyle?
[01:52:12.990 --> 01:52:14.090]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I don't know.
[01:52:15.350 --> 01:52:16.950]  [KYLEDROSDK]: does it have to do with...
[01:52:17.830 --> 01:52:19.450]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm so certain I don't know.
[01:52:19.690 --> 01:52:20.910]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't even have to think about it.
[01:52:23.090 --> 01:52:24.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: Kyle's thinking about it so he might know.
[01:52:24.930 --> 01:52:25.010]  [ALEXURBELS]: Okay.
[01:52:25.990 --> 01:52:27.770]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, have you given up yet?
[01:52:27.890 --> 01:52:31.750]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's a word that we don't use often and probably has multiple syllables.
[01:52:31.990 --> 01:52:34.490]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I think I know but I don't want to say so just say it.
[01:52:35.410 --> 01:52:35.850]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[01:52:36.530 --> 01:52:38.570]  [ALEXURBELS]: It is vexillology.
[01:52:38.890 --> 01:52:39.650]  [ALEXURBELS]: Vexillology, yeah.
[01:52:40.710 --> 01:52:40.950]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[01:52:41.170 --> 01:52:43.430]  [ALEXURBELS]: Vexillology is the study of flags.
[01:52:43.630 --> 01:52:45.030]  [ALEXURBELS]: It's quite like a literal meaning.
[01:52:45.190 --> 01:52:49.250]  [ALEXURBELS]: It comes from the Latin word vexillum which was a flag.
[01:52:49.570 --> 01:52:57.250]  [ALEXURBELS]: It was kind of like a standard bearer flag type thing that the Roman cavalry and certain legions would carry.
[01:52:57.370 --> 01:52:58.470]  [ALEXURBELS]: It was like this square flag.
[01:52:59.480 --> 01:53:04.550]  [ALEXURBELS]: And so somebody who studies flags is known as a vexillologist.
[01:53:06.290 --> 01:53:12.730]  [ALEXURBELS]: So, you know, just trying to educate somebody.
[01:53:12.890 --> 01:53:22.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, thanks for the education and we're going to take one more phone call because we're about out of time here and it's still very steamy where we are so we like to get to a place with oxygen.
[01:53:22.810 --> 01:53:23.390]  [EVILCORLEY]: Good evening.
[01:53:23.650 --> 01:53:25.250]  [EVILCORLEY]: You're on Off The Hook Overtime.
[01:53:25.350 --> 01:53:25.570]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead.
[01:53:25.570 --> 01:53:31.090]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, I've got a little bit of a trivia fact here about 2-1-1.
[01:53:31.410 --> 01:53:38.050]  [SPEAKER_12]: It originally, back in the day, was referred to as the line for the long-distance operator.
[01:53:38.390 --> 01:53:49.590]  [SPEAKER_12]: This is as direct-distance dialing was coming into effect that people had to call the long-distance operator to make a long-distance call if they had DDD.
[01:53:50.050 --> 01:53:52.730]  [SPEAKER_12]: I'm kind of a phone historian, so...
[01:53:52.730 --> 01:53:53.510]  [SPEAKER_12]: Direct-distance styling.
[01:53:54.330 --> 01:53:58.790]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wow, okay, well, we like phone historians for sure, so do tell us more.
[01:53:59.670 --> 01:54:01.250]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, well, that's about it.
[01:54:01.350 --> 01:54:08.470]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's the only real factoid that I have on that, but Alex, as far as ham radio, definitely go for it.
[01:54:08.590 --> 01:54:15.970]  [SPEAKER_12]: I've been a ham since 1978 and it's as exciting to me today as it was back then.
[01:54:16.190 --> 01:54:27.530]  [SPEAKER_12]: Learning stuff every day and I've done everything from HF DXing to satellite chasing to all sorts of things and you are in for a ball.
[01:54:28.050 --> 01:54:36.290]  [SPEAKER_12]: And as far as ham studying, if you can't do it at HOPE in August, there are plenty of ways to do it online.
[01:54:36.290 --> 01:54:43.210]  [SPEAKER_12]: You can even do it from the comfort of your house by signing up for an online test when you're ready.
[01:54:43.350 --> 01:54:55.050]  [SPEAKER_12]: There are also various sites where they throw various questions at you and you can essentially test and practice until you feel that you're ready to take the real tests.
[01:54:55.350 --> 01:55:00.190]  [SPEAKER_12]: So just figure out toss in this and give you positive support.
[01:55:01.070 --> 01:55:01.630]  [ALEXURBELS]: Cool.
[01:55:01.850 --> 01:55:03.190]  [ALEXURBELS]: I appreciate that so much.
[01:55:03.290 --> 01:55:03.950]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's excellent.
[01:55:04.710 --> 01:55:11.670]  [ALEXURBELS]: I feel like it will be an interesting new community to join and I'm excited to learn.
[01:55:12.030 --> 01:55:12.790]  [ALEXURBELS]: I really am.
[01:55:12.890 --> 01:55:20.870]  [ALEXURBELS]: It's a cool thing and it'll be really neat to be able to share it with my son along with all these really long time enthusiasts.
[01:55:20.870 --> 01:55:22.970]  [ALEXURBELS]: It seems like you get into it, you don't leave it.
[01:55:23.130 --> 01:55:23.870]  [ALEXURBELS]: It's pretty cool.
[01:55:23.990 --> 01:55:24.790]  [SPEAKER_12]: Oh yeah, absolutely.
[01:55:25.190 --> 01:55:25.690]  [SPEAKER_12]: Absolutely.
[01:55:26.290 --> 01:55:40.850]  [SPEAKER_12]: You and your son will be welcome and I'll be more than happy to email you some good frequencies to get on since I'm in the New York metro area and you commute between New York and Pennsylvania.
[01:55:41.210 --> 01:55:59.010]  [SPEAKER_12]: There are tons of frequencies to use and on VHF and UHF as you start as a technician and of course, you've got a house out in Pennsylvania, I can see you definitely stringing up a bunch of wires and wired antennas for HF for working on the shortwave.
[01:55:59.230 --> 01:56:03.310]  [SPEAKER_12]: So you've got the world in your hands as soon as you pass the test.
[01:56:03.970 --> 01:56:04.430]  [ALEXURBELS]: Cool.
[01:56:04.710 --> 01:56:06.610]  [ALEXURBELS]: I really hope I pass this test now.
[01:56:06.870 --> 01:56:07.890]  [ALEXURBELS]: This is, yeah.
[01:56:08.150 --> 01:56:09.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: We're counting on you, Alex.
[01:56:09.690 --> 01:56:10.030]  [EVILCORLEY]: We are.
[01:56:10.310 --> 01:56:10.770]  [ALEXURBELS]: I know.
[01:56:10.970 --> 01:56:11.470]  [ALEXURBELS]: All right.
[01:56:11.690 --> 01:56:12.010]  [ALEXURBELS]: All right.
[01:56:12.070 --> 01:56:12.450]  [SPEAKER_12]: All right.
[01:56:12.630 --> 01:56:14.670]  [SPEAKER_12]: I hope to work you when you're on the air.
[01:56:14.890 --> 01:56:15.410]  [SPEAKER_12]: Good luck.
[01:56:15.830 --> 01:56:16.290]  [ALEXURBELS]: Got it.
[01:56:16.430 --> 01:56:16.990]  [ALEXURBELS]: You got it.
[01:56:17.110 --> 01:56:17.550]  [ALEXURBELS]: You got it.
[01:56:17.650 --> 01:56:18.190]  [ALEXURBELS]: That sounds good.
[01:56:18.250 --> 01:56:18.790]  [ALEXURBELS]: I appreciate it.
[01:56:18.870 --> 01:56:19.530]  [ALEXURBELS]: Thanks for the support.
[01:56:19.730 --> 01:56:20.350]  [EVILCORLEY]: Thanks for your call.
[01:56:20.530 --> 01:56:21.010]  [EVILCORLEY]: See you at HOPE.
[01:56:21.430 --> 01:56:21.730]  [EVILCORLEY]: Bye-bye.
[01:56:21.910 --> 01:56:22.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: Good night.
[01:56:22.930 --> 01:56:24.230]  [EVILCORLEY]: And that's going to do it for us tonight.
[01:56:25.230 --> 01:56:25.550]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:56:26.390 --> 01:56:27.390]  [EVILCORLEY]: What do you think about that?
[01:56:27.390 --> 01:56:32.130]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Well, a big thanks to all 53 people listening on the stream or in the chat.
[01:56:32.290 --> 01:56:34.290]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Everybody, we really appreciate you.
[01:56:34.410 --> 01:56:35.650]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Everybody listened on the air.
[01:56:35.930 --> 01:56:36.750]  [KYLEDROSDK]: You did it without Gila.
[01:56:37.030 --> 01:56:38.150]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And it supports WBAI.
[01:56:39.570 --> 01:56:40.710]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Tune in next time.
[01:56:41.950 --> 01:56:44.410]  [KYLEDROSDK]: This will be...
[01:56:44.410 --> 01:56:45.050]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[01:56:45.430 --> 01:56:46.490]  [EVILCORLEY]: Did the chat fall apart?
[01:56:46.630 --> 01:56:47.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: Did it hold together?
[01:56:47.970 --> 01:56:48.250]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[01:56:48.350 --> 01:56:50.070]  [KYLEDROSDK]: We'll do another Overtime next week.
[01:56:50.190 --> 01:56:51.630]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I think we are doing Overtime again.
[01:56:51.870 --> 01:56:53.910]  [EVILCORLEY]: This is the first Overtime in like a month.
[01:56:54.050 --> 01:56:55.470]  [KYLEDROSDK]: No, but when do we take calls on air?
[01:56:55.470 --> 01:56:57.150]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Is that the first week or last week?
[01:56:57.150 --> 01:56:58.250]  [EVILCORLEY]: It'll be like the first week of August.
[01:56:58.450 --> 01:56:58.650]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:56:58.750 --> 01:57:01.990]  [KYLEDROSDK]: So we'll probably do another Overtime, then have calls live on the air.
[01:57:04.910 --> 01:57:07.090]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Support WBAI and...
[01:57:07.090 --> 01:57:11.270]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Oh, write oth@2600.com.
[01:57:11.410 --> 01:57:12.310]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's our email address.
[01:57:12.310 --> 01:57:14.730]  [EVILCORLEY]: And if you believe in email, send us one.
[01:57:15.390 --> 01:57:15.810]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[01:57:15.990 --> 01:57:25.170]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And we absolutely missed Gila's expertise, but hopefully everybody got questions answered and had a good time.
[01:57:25.170 --> 01:57:30.590]  [KYLEDROSDK]: We'll welcome our other hosts back in subsequent weeks as soon as they're able.
[01:57:30.670 --> 01:57:31.630]  [EVILCORLEY]: You have a concluding remark.
[01:57:32.450 --> 01:57:35.370]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, I just want to say, you know, we've talked about Gila quite a bit.
[01:57:35.410 --> 01:57:38.570]  [ALEXURBELS]: Nobody has ever mentioned Rob in the last two hours.
[01:57:38.750 --> 01:57:39.390]  [ALEXURBELS]: No, we did mention.
[01:57:39.390 --> 01:57:40.470]  [EVILCORLEY]: We said Rob and Gila.
[01:57:40.530 --> 01:57:41.730]  [EVILCORLEY]: We just didn't go into much detail.
[01:57:41.970 --> 01:57:42.370]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, yeah.
[01:57:42.610 --> 01:57:44.150]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I believe Rob's absence is...
[01:57:44.150 --> 01:57:45.030]  [KYLEDROSDK]: You forgot all the stuff.
[01:57:45.630 --> 01:57:46.290]  [KYLEDROSDK]: No, okay.
[01:57:46.390 --> 01:57:47.250]  [KYLEDROSDK]: No, yeah, that's fair.
[01:57:47.930 --> 01:57:50.250]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Rob had a scheduled absence, I believe.
[01:57:50.430 --> 01:57:50.610]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yes.
[01:57:51.190 --> 01:57:53.390]  [EVILCORLEY]: In fact, he's getting back right now.
[01:57:53.870 --> 01:57:54.450]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yes, right.
[01:57:54.630 --> 01:57:58.030]  [EVILCORLEY]: He'll schedule this so that he arrives back right when the show is over.
[01:57:58.050 --> 01:57:58.830]  [KYLEDROSDK]: That's not his fault.
[01:57:59.050 --> 01:58:00.870]  [KYLEDROSDK]: He needs personal time and we'll be...
[01:58:00.870 --> 01:58:01.950]  [EVILCORLEY]: Somebody has to make a schedule.
[01:58:01.950 --> 01:58:03.570]  [EVILCORLEY]: He'll be rejoining us in the future.
[01:58:04.210 --> 01:58:06.190]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Well, you know, Wednesday's the travel day.
[01:58:06.350 --> 01:58:07.710]  [EVILCORLEY]: Everything happens on Wednesday.
[01:58:07.970 --> 01:58:08.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: Seriously.
[01:58:08.510 --> 01:58:09.670]  [EVILCORLEY]: Everything happens on Wednesday.
[01:58:09.810 --> 01:58:10.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: At seven o'clock.
[01:58:10.770 --> 01:58:11.010]  [EVILCORLEY]: Everything.
[01:58:12.430 --> 01:58:13.230]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's how it goes.
[01:58:13.390 --> 01:58:13.930]  [ALEXURBELS]: I'm actually...
[01:58:14.550 --> 01:58:15.730]  [ALEXURBELS]: I'm heading out of town.
[01:58:15.950 --> 01:58:17.630]  [ALEXURBELS]: I'm heading to London tomorrow, by the way.
[01:58:17.910 --> 01:58:20.330]  [ALEXURBELS]: And it's kind of sad.
[01:58:20.470 --> 01:58:22.290]  [ALEXURBELS]: You know, we talked about Greg before.
[01:58:22.530 --> 01:58:23.910]  [ALEXURBELS]: So kind of concluding with this remark.
[01:58:24.330 --> 01:58:32.210]  [ALEXURBELS]: But if you remember when I was on from New Year's Eve this past year and Tony had joined me from the Chelsea Arts Club after midnight.
[01:58:32.210 --> 01:58:36.710]  [ALEXURBELS]: We were a little over-served, I think, during that broadcast.
[01:58:36.950 --> 01:58:38.190]  [ALEXURBELS]: But he was fantastic.
[01:58:38.390 --> 01:58:39.410]  [ALEXURBELS]: Everybody loved him.
[01:58:40.290 --> 01:58:43.970]  [ALEXURBELS]: But I think I mentioned, you know, he was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer.
[01:58:44.270 --> 01:58:44.510]  [ALEXURBELS]: Jeez.
[01:58:45.250 --> 01:58:46.750]  [ALEXURBELS]: And that was in January.
[01:58:46.850 --> 01:58:48.430]  [ALEXURBELS]: And so now it's July.
[01:58:48.810 --> 01:58:50.330]  [ALEXURBELS]: And he's just...
[01:58:50.330 --> 01:58:51.410]  [ALEXURBELS]: He's not doing well.
[01:58:52.090 --> 01:58:57.730]  [ALEXURBELS]: And so I'm going to London tomorrow to see him, what I'm pretty certain is going to be for the last time.
[01:58:58.350 --> 01:59:01.010]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, that visit will mean the world to him.
[01:59:01.070 --> 01:59:01.890]  [EVILCORLEY]: I can guarantee that.
[01:59:02.150 --> 01:59:02.310]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[01:59:02.550 --> 01:59:04.570]  [ALEXURBELS]: I'm getting on a plane tomorrow, so I'll be there.
[01:59:04.790 --> 01:59:06.930]  [ALEXURBELS]: And then I'm just going to be there for a couple of days.
[01:59:07.730 --> 01:59:10.970]  [ALEXURBELS]: But he loved coming on to WBAI.
[01:59:11.210 --> 01:59:17.210]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, just the idea of broadcasting from the Arts Club, one of the crazy little rooms there on New Year's Eve.
[01:59:17.210 --> 01:59:19.090]  [ALEXURBELS]: He talked to me about it so many times.
[01:59:19.190 --> 01:59:20.050]  [ALEXURBELS]: It meant so much to him.
[01:59:20.170 --> 01:59:24.310]  [ALEXURBELS]: So I just ask everybody to keep Tony in their hearts.
[01:59:25.010 --> 01:59:25.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[01:59:25.270 --> 01:59:26.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: I remember him.
[01:59:26.350 --> 01:59:27.950]  [EVILCORLEY]: I only talked once, but I do remember that.
[01:59:28.110 --> 01:59:29.090]  [EVILCORLEY]: It made quite an impression.
[01:59:29.970 --> 01:59:30.250]  [EVILCORLEY]: Good man.
[01:59:30.250 --> 01:59:30.850]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[01:59:30.990 --> 01:59:32.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: Thanks, everybody, for listening.
[01:59:32.430 --> 01:59:36.570]  [EVILCORLEY]: And we will see you next week on Off The Hook, 7 p.m. on WBAI.
[01:59:38.770 --> 01:59:42.310]  [EVILCORLEY]: And 8 o'clock on YouTube on Channel2600 for Overtime.