Off The Hook - 2026-07-22

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[02:13.180 --> 02:15.120]  [EVILCORLEY]: And a very good evening to everybody.
[02:15.180 --> 02:16.540]  [EVILCORLEY]: The program is Off The Hook.
[02:16.740 --> 02:19.060]  [EVILCORLEY]: Emmanuel Goldstein here with you on this Wednesday evening.
[02:19.900 --> 02:21.160]  [EVILCORLEY]: Joined tonight by Kyle.
[02:21.720 --> 02:21.900]  [EVILCORLEY]: Hello.
[02:22.120 --> 02:22.420]  [EVILCORLEY]: How you doing?
[02:22.720 --> 02:23.240]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm okay.
[02:23.340 --> 02:23.680]  [EVILCORLEY]: How are you?
[02:24.000 --> 02:25.160]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, I'm busy.
[02:25.360 --> 02:27.980]  [EVILCORLEY]: I forgot we were on the air until about five minutes ago.
[02:27.980 --> 02:31.180]  [EVILCORLEY]: No, actually, a little before then, but not too much before then.
[02:31.380 --> 02:32.340]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's crazy.
[02:32.580 --> 02:33.500]  [EVILCORLEY]: So much going on.
[02:34.280 --> 02:40.200]  [EVILCORLEY]: And we also have out in Signal-land, we have... what is that?
[02:40.280 --> 02:40.620]  [EVILCORLEY]: Rob T. Firefly?
[02:41.660 --> 02:42.400]  [ROBVINCENT]: Good evening.
[02:42.740 --> 02:43.640]  [EVILCORLEY]: We have Gila.
[02:44.100 --> 02:44.560]  [GILADRAZEN]: Hello.
[02:45.160 --> 02:47.640]  [EVILCORLEY]: And it looks like we have Alex.
[02:48.120 --> 02:48.960]  [ALEXURBELS]: You do indeed.
[02:49.320 --> 02:49.960]  [ALEXURBELS]: Good evening.
[02:50.220 --> 02:50.460]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[02:50.600 --> 02:52.220]  [EVILCORLEY]: It also looks like we have one channel, Kyle.
[02:52.540 --> 02:54.860]  [EVILCORLEY]: Can you come over and look at this level here?
[02:55.860 --> 02:56.500]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm not sure.
[02:56.500 --> 02:59.160]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm not sure on the thing I'm pointing to.
[02:59.320 --> 02:59.440]  [EVILCORLEY]: Right.
[02:59.540 --> 03:00.260]  [EVILCORLEY]: The thing you're doing.
[03:01.320 --> 03:04.080]  [EVILCORLEY]: We're having some connectivity issues right there.
[03:04.440 --> 03:04.840]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[03:04.880 --> 03:06.760]  [EVILCORLEY]: Now it's fixed because you touched something, right?
[03:07.680 --> 03:08.080]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[03:08.360 --> 03:08.660]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[03:08.860 --> 03:09.560]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, it looks better now.
[03:09.620 --> 03:09.820]  [KYLEDROSDK]: All right.
[03:09.920 --> 03:10.040]  [EVILCORLEY]: Good.
[03:10.160 --> 03:10.220]  [EVILCORLEY]: Good.
[03:10.660 --> 03:11.300]  [EVILCORLEY]: Sorry, folks.
[03:11.420 --> 03:12.780]  [EVILCORLEY]: High-tech solutions to...
[03:12.780 --> 03:13.220]  [EVILCORLEY]: As you're saying.
[03:13.300 --> 03:13.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: Low-tech problems.
[03:15.000 --> 03:19.580]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, anyone have anything interesting they'd like to catch up with?
[03:19.820 --> 03:22.740]  [EVILCORLEY]: Some things involving the hacker world, technology?
[03:22.740 --> 03:23.680]  [EVILCORLEY]: Come on.
[03:23.760 --> 03:24.360]  [EVILCORLEY]: You live lives.
[03:24.480 --> 03:25.380]  [EVILCORLEY]: Tell us what's going on.
[03:26.280 --> 03:27.720]  [ROBVINCENT]: We do live lives.
[03:27.860 --> 03:32.080]  [ROBVINCENT]: There is actually one thing that we got an email about from a listener.
[03:32.900 --> 03:46.100]  [ROBVINCENT]: A listener has emailed us letting us know that the first annual phone con is going to be held July 25th to 26th at the Computer Museum at System Source in Hunt Valley, Maryland.
[03:46.520 --> 03:49.540]  [ROBVINCENT]: And so that's this weekend coming up, Saturday and Sunday.
[03:50.040 --> 03:53.240]  [ROBVINCENT]: It's the 150th anniversary of the invention of the telephone.
[03:53.640 --> 04:04.520]  [ROBVINCENT]: And our listener writes, It's long past due that an annual conference be held for telephone collectors, telecom and data professionals, hackers, phone phreaks, and telephone enthusiasts of all kinds.
[04:05.060 --> 04:08.600]  [ROBVINCENT]: And you can get all your info about this at phonecon.org.
[04:08.600 --> 04:11.580]  [ROBVINCENT]: That's P-H-O-N-E-C-O-N dot O-R-G.
[04:11.580 --> 04:13.700]  [ROBVINCENT]: So where is this happening?
[04:14.300 --> 04:19.360]  [ROBVINCENT]: This is happening at the Computer Museum at System Source in Hunt Valley, Maryland.
[04:19.680 --> 04:22.820]  [ROBVINCENT]: And it looks like an interesting place on its own.
[04:23.180 --> 04:27.220]  [ROBVINCENT]: And yeah, the perfect place to be holding something like this.
[04:27.740 --> 04:28.260]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[04:28.380 --> 04:32.780]  [EVILCORLEY]: So it's the 150th anniversary of the phone.
[04:33.540 --> 04:34.880]  [EVILCORLEY]: And I would...
[04:34.880 --> 04:37.500]  [EVILCORLEY]: My math is not up to par.
[04:37.760 --> 04:38.700]  [EVILCORLEY]: What does that put it?
[04:38.760 --> 04:40.520]  [EVILCORLEY]: Back in the 1800s, obviously.
[04:40.520 --> 04:41.040]  [EVILCORLEY]: But when?
[04:42.880 --> 04:43.400]  [GILADRAZEN]: 1876.
[04:43.620 --> 04:44.140]  [EVILCORLEY]: 1876.
[04:44.440 --> 04:45.320]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, that sounds familiar.
[04:45.500 --> 04:46.060]  [EVILCORLEY]: That sounds familiar.
[04:46.140 --> 04:50.440]  [EVILCORLEY]: So why aren't things going on all throughout the world to herald this event?
[04:50.600 --> 04:52.480]  [EVILCORLEY]: 150 years of the telephone.
[04:54.320 --> 04:55.660]  [ROBVINCENT]: That's an excellent question.
[04:56.580 --> 05:05.440]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, I think it's probably eclipsed by the 250th anniversary of, I guess, what can be considered the oldest constitutional democracy.
[05:07.460 --> 05:08.420]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, you're kidding.
[05:08.560 --> 05:09.520]  [EVILCORLEY]: I mean, you're serious.
[05:09.700 --> 05:10.180]  [EVILCORLEY]: Really?
[05:11.440 --> 05:12.160]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, fine.
[05:12.240 --> 05:13.340]  [ALEXURBELS]: Well, I do think it's eclipsed.
[05:13.400 --> 05:13.580]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[05:13.740 --> 05:18.700]  [EVILCORLEY]: I think most people are just trying to forget the embarrassment that this country has turned into.
[05:18.840 --> 05:20.380]  [EVILCORLEY]: But whatever, whatever.
[05:20.920 --> 05:22.260]  [EVILCORLEY]: So 150 years of the phone.
[05:22.620 --> 05:26.900]  [EVILCORLEY]: Unfortunately, not too many people are using phones, at least not like they used to.
[05:27.100 --> 05:30.540]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, I just had a landline-to-landline conversation with a friend of mine.
[05:31.220 --> 05:32.340]  [EVILCORLEY]: And it was really cool.
[05:32.420 --> 05:33.760]  [EVILCORLEY]: Of course, we're not using copper.
[05:33.760 --> 05:36.880]  [EVILCORLEY]: Or we're using, you know, voice over IP and all that nonsense.
[05:38.580 --> 05:45.280]  [EVILCORLEY]: But still, it's better than using a cell phone and not being able to understand half the things that are being said or be able to hear the background noise.
[05:48.120 --> 05:48.640]  [ROBVINCENT]: Absolutely.
[05:48.920 --> 05:52.280]  [ROBVINCENT]: There's something we said for, you know, talking down a wire at somebody.
[05:52.660 --> 05:56.280]  [ROBVINCENT]: And we get so few opportunities to do such things nowadays.
[05:57.560 --> 06:00.340]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, so, small talk out of the way.
[06:00.540 --> 06:02.620]  [EVILCORLEY]: Let's look at some news items.
[06:02.720 --> 06:09.260]  [EVILCORLEY]: By the way, we have Overtime coming on again tonight at 8 o'clock on YouTube, hannel2600.
[06:09.400 --> 06:10.720]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's how you find us over there.
[06:12.660 --> 06:15.520]  [EVILCORLEY]: You probably heard this story out of New Jersey.
[06:16.300 --> 06:18.000]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm pointing from the New York Times here.
[06:18.000 --> 06:37.360]  [EVILCORLEY]: Roughly 400 non-citizens cast ballots in New Jersey after about 6,600 residents were improperly registered to vote between June 2023 and June 2024 because of a software error at the Motor Vehicle Commission.
[06:37.360 --> 06:39.740]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's according to Governor Mikey Shirell.
[06:40.020 --> 06:42.180]  [EVILCORLEY]: She announced this yesterday.
[06:42.840 --> 06:52.980]  [EVILCORLEY]: All the people affected had disclosed that they were not citizens when seeking either a driver's license or an ID, and they were registered anyway.
[06:54.240 --> 06:57.480]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, so everything that Trump was saying is true, right?
[06:57.620 --> 06:58.780]  [EVILCORLEY]: And that's what we're supposed to get at.
[06:58.880 --> 07:00.740]  [EVILCORLEY]: I mean, that's the Fox News version of this.
[07:01.440 --> 07:07.360]  [EVILCORLEY]: So these people come and they say, we are not citizens, and they are forced to vote.
[07:09.180 --> 07:11.080]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm trying to process this.
[07:11.080 --> 07:18.600]  [EVILCORLEY]: Basically, okay, the message is that if there is a software error, anything is possible.
[07:19.040 --> 07:32.340]  [EVILCORLEY]: And I guess 6,000 people being registered to vote when they're not eligible to vote, that is possible with bad software, with somebody not doing their job.
[07:33.280 --> 07:44.100]  [EVILCORLEY]: What's remarkable about this is that very few people, comparatively, actually used this access they were given improperly.
[07:44.840 --> 07:48.840]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm not sure what told the 400 non-citizens to vote.
[07:48.940 --> 07:51.220]  [EVILCORLEY]: Maybe they were getting reminders in the mail or something.
[07:53.300 --> 07:56.180]  [EVILCORLEY]: It strikes me as odd that 400 people would just say, hey, you know what?
[07:56.220 --> 07:57.060]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm going to try to vote.
[07:57.200 --> 07:58.100]  [EVILCORLEY]: And hey, look at this.
[07:58.100 --> 07:58.860]  [EVILCORLEY]: I was able to vote.
[07:59.020 --> 08:00.780]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't think it was nefarious like that.
[08:00.780 --> 08:02.040]  [EVILCORLEY]: I think people were misled.
[08:02.320 --> 08:06.840]  [EVILCORLEY]: And the other thing to remember here is that this was caught.
[08:06.940 --> 08:09.080]  [EVILCORLEY]: It took a while, but they caught it.
[08:09.340 --> 08:12.780]  [EVILCORLEY]: And not only did they catch it, they revealed it.
[08:12.920 --> 08:14.160]  [EVILCORLEY]: They didn't try to hide it.
[08:14.160 --> 08:17.760]  [EVILCORLEY]: So there are a few things here that are quite interesting.
[08:18.360 --> 08:29.980]  [EVILCORLEY]: But one thing that this was not was a plot by immigration activists or whatnot to get people from other countries to vote in our elections.
[08:30.240 --> 08:33.360]  [EVILCORLEY]: It seems like incompetence once again wins.
[08:33.740 --> 08:34.340]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't know.
[08:34.420 --> 08:35.140]  [EVILCORLEY]: Alex, what are your thoughts?
[08:36.160 --> 08:45.300]  [ALEXURBELS]: This is a fascinating story, like most of the stories that we cover that have to deal with idiotic bugs and divisions of responsibilities here.
[08:45.380 --> 08:49.740]  [ALEXURBELS]: But I think this is pretty simple to realize what happened, right?
[08:50.200 --> 08:53.640]  [ALEXURBELS]: You go to register for whatever you're doing at Motor Vehicles.
[08:53.760 --> 09:01.580]  [ALEXURBELS]: Motor Vehicles is basically a great place to register people to vote as well when they're getting licenses, renewing licenses, et cetera, updating the voter rolls.
[09:01.580 --> 09:02.820]  [ALEXURBELS]: It makes perfect sense.
[09:03.340 --> 09:06.540]  [ALEXURBELS]: So the software asks somebody if they were a citizen.
[09:06.700 --> 09:11.020]  [ALEXURBELS]: If they were a citizen, then it's supposed to go on some kind of path that registers them to vote.
[09:11.180 --> 09:14.420]  [ALEXURBELS]: If you register as no...
[09:14.420 --> 09:18.100]  [ALEXURBELS]: I'm sorry if there's something going on in the background here.
[09:18.620 --> 09:26.520]  [ALEXURBELS]: If you say no, that's supposed to be a condition that the software enforces and then pushes you down a different flow.
[09:27.220 --> 09:29.060]  [ALEXURBELS]: And obviously, that didn't happen.
[09:29.360 --> 09:35.140]  [ALEXURBELS]: Obviously, there was a problem between the yes and no answers here.
[09:35.240 --> 09:39.720]  [ALEXURBELS]: And if you answered no, there was no condition that was enforced and you were still registered over to vote.
[09:40.040 --> 09:49.540]  [ALEXURBELS]: So then, here's where the division of responsibilities becomes an issue to my mind, because that's certainly on the software developer.
[09:49.680 --> 09:57.780]  [ALEXURBELS]: Whoever developed the software should have tested the logic and done some kind of quality assurance or auditing to make sure that the data flowed in the right ways.
[09:57.780 --> 10:01.100]  [ALEXURBELS]: And it wasn't flowing in the right ways, especially on these really important questions.
[10:01.460 --> 10:04.960]  [ALEXURBELS]: So you could argue that they had a duty to do this.
[10:05.040 --> 10:05.680]  [ALEXURBELS]: They breached it.
[10:05.760 --> 10:07.220]  [ALEXURBELS]: And that caused this issue.
[10:07.400 --> 10:10.040]  [ALEXURBELS]: So this was some form of negligence.
[10:10.460 --> 10:13.500]  [ALEXURBELS]: But also, what about the government people themselves?
[10:13.740 --> 10:16.860]  [ALEXURBELS]: What about the Department of State where the voter rolls are actually held?
[10:17.700 --> 10:20.980]  [ALEXURBELS]: They should have some measure of responsibility or measure...
[10:20.980 --> 10:29.760]  [ALEXURBELS]: Maybe there should have been a division of labor between these two systems, such that the Department of State performed some kind of double check to make sure.
[10:29.920 --> 10:38.500]  [ALEXURBELS]: But I don't know really where or how they would have checked the citizenship of individual people in this respect as well.
[10:38.500 --> 10:48.240]  [ALEXURBELS]: So I find this story to be one of kind of almost like a comedy of errors here.
[10:48.980 --> 10:54.240]  [ALEXURBELS]: Things that should have been caught extremely easily and have no real downstream effect.
[10:55.240 --> 11:05.060]  [ALEXURBELS]: I want to pass it over to you guys as well, because I keep talking about this for another five or ten minutes and have some ways to connect it to some other stories that we had discussed over the last few weeks.
[11:05.280 --> 11:06.080]  [ALEXURBELS]: So I'm going to pass it over to Rob.
[11:06.080 --> 11:06.500]  [ALEXURBELS]: That would be nice.
[11:06.680 --> 11:09.660]  [EVILCORLEY]: Any chance that you could be in a different room than the dog?
[11:09.800 --> 11:11.240]  [EVILCORLEY]: That would be really, really nice.
[11:11.360 --> 11:11.860]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead, Rob.
[11:12.320 --> 11:13.320]  [ALEXURBELS]: She's going crazy.
[11:13.320 --> 11:13.900]  [ROBVINCENT]: I apologize.
[11:14.420 --> 11:16.080]  [ROBVINCENT]: I mean, personally, I agree with the dog.
[11:16.220 --> 11:22.180]  [ROBVINCENT]: But the interesting thing about this story is I don't think they've given out details as to actually what went wrong.
[11:22.880 --> 11:31.980]  [ROBVINCENT]: And do we know for sure that it was the software itself glitching rather than the sort of software error where a person uses the software incorrectly?
[11:31.980 --> 11:37.860]  [ROBVINCENT]: You know, someone sleepy at a keyboard types Tuttle instead of Buttle and all sorts of shenanigans can go down.
[11:38.460 --> 11:54.960]  [ROBVINCENT]: And so the technology company, which is called Idemia, which sounds like a disease, is saying that it's ultimately the responsibility of the state's division of elections to verify all the information transmitted, including the resident's eligibility to vote.
[11:54.960 --> 12:02.080]  [ROBVINCENT]: So they're passing the blame back to the Board of Elections, and the Board of Elections seem to be pushing it onto the vendor.
[12:02.280 --> 12:07.860]  [ROBVINCENT]: So for us to really be able to tell more about what happened here, I think, would be of great value in this case.
[12:08.360 --> 12:12.260]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, the name of the company is Idemia, I-D-E-M-I-A.
[12:12.420 --> 12:13.440]  [EVILCORLEY]: They're based in Virginia.
[12:13.680 --> 12:15.300]  [EVILCORLEY]: They have offices all around the world.
[12:16.040 --> 12:24.620]  [EVILCORLEY]: And they said the state's division of elections was ultimately responsible for verifying all information transmitted, including residents' eligibility to vote.
[12:24.960 --> 12:26.320]  [EVILCORLEY]: And that's not how the state sees it.
[12:26.420 --> 12:35.820]  [EVILCORLEY]: They believe that the software vendor was responsible for the error and that they were being phased out of use in New Jersey.
[12:36.680 --> 12:44.680]  [EVILCORLEY]: The mistake was discovered back in 2024 while Philip Murphy was governor, but it was never publicly disclosed.
[12:45.320 --> 12:54.700]  [EVILCORLEY]: When asked for comment, Mr. Murphy, the former governor, did not reply for emails.
[12:55.540 --> 12:57.140]  [EVILCORLEY]: Or a text message.
[12:58.620 --> 13:02.320]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, not responsive to this at all.
[13:03.520 --> 13:09.340]  [EVILCORLEY]: Ms. Sherell was unstinting in her criticism of the way the Murphy administration handled the problem, citing reckless failures.
[13:09.640 --> 13:13.760]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's unacceptable that the vendor released software with such a glaring error.
[13:13.960 --> 13:17.660]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's unacceptable that the MVC took a year to get this issue fixed.
[13:17.660 --> 13:25.520]  [EVILCORLEY]: And it's unacceptable that no one in the previous administration brought this to light, demanded accountability, or took action when it happened years ago.
[13:26.060 --> 13:35.440]  [EVILCORLEY]: The finding that roughly 400 non-citizens had cast ballots in New Jersey is one of the largest confirmed instances of non-citizens voting in American elections.
[13:35.440 --> 13:40.640]  [EVILCORLEY]: But it remains an exceptionally small percentage of the overall vote total.
[13:40.940 --> 13:52.100]  [EVILCORLEY]: And it seems more like incompetence and misinformation than malice, at least at this particular stage.
[13:52.260 --> 14:01.800]  [EVILCORLEY]: If those 400 non-citizens had all voted in the state's local elections in 2023, they would constitute just 0.02% of the electorate.
[14:01.900 --> 14:13.100]  [EVILCORLEY]: If they voted in the 2024 presidential election, those 400 non-citizens would make up about 0.009% of the state's overall vote totals.
[14:14.100 --> 14:21.480]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, yeah, it's a tiny number, but it is something quite important because this is what it's all about.
[14:21.480 --> 14:22.980]  [EVILCORLEY]: Who is eligible to vote?
[14:22.980 --> 14:24.260]  [EVILCORLEY]: Who is not eligible to vote?
[14:24.260 --> 14:27.740]  [EVILCORLEY]: And the White House is seizing upon this.
[14:28.300 --> 14:37.680]  [EVILCORLEY]: Democrats and their media allies have repeatedly said it is impossible for non-citizens to register to vote, let alone cast a ballot, said White House spokeswoman Abigail Jackson.
[14:37.960 --> 14:42.020]  [EVILCORLEY]: American voters deserve to have confidence that our elections are safe and secure.
[14:42.880 --> 14:44.760]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, but Abigail, here's the thing.
[14:44.900 --> 14:56.680]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, if somebody just basically fills out a form and fills it out wrong and they have the authority to file that form as an official document, what do you do?
[14:56.820 --> 14:57.940]  [EVILCORLEY]: How do you prevent that?
[14:58.100 --> 14:59.380]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's incompetence.
[14:59.500 --> 15:00.300]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's incompetence.
[15:00.400 --> 15:01.460]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's been revealed.
[15:01.640 --> 15:02.780]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's being dealt with.
[15:03.920 --> 15:08.500]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm not sure how the Save America Act would have prevented any of this.
[15:10.180 --> 15:11.700]  [EVILCORLEY]: It makes no sense to me.
[15:11.780 --> 15:12.240]  [EVILCORLEY]: Alex, go ahead.
[15:14.000 --> 15:18.000]  [ALEXURBELS]: I think they're totally wrong in that assumption.
[15:18.180 --> 15:20.620]  [ALEXURBELS]: I think there are other ways to connect us to other Trump initiatives.
[15:20.840 --> 15:34.260]  [ALEXURBELS]: But to stick on that point for just a moment, it's so clear that the non-citizens who accidentally gained the right to vote through somebody else's error had no intention of gaining the right to vote.
[15:34.260 --> 15:37.640]  [ALEXURBELS]: And I thought you brought up a really excellent point.
[15:37.880 --> 15:43.260]  [ALEXURBELS]: You know, it's a rare thing when it happens, Emmanuel, but, you know, you've got to call it out when it does.
[15:44.200 --> 15:55.780]  [ALEXURBELS]: And, you know, did these people receive any literature in the mail basically suggesting that they vote or even just, you know, operating under the assumption that they are registered to vote and therefore eligible to vote?
[15:55.800 --> 15:57.440]  [ALEXURBELS]: And that's why these people voted.
[15:57.620 --> 16:03.760]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, and the voter rolls are, of course, very often used for these types of political mailings.
[16:03.760 --> 16:05.420]  [ALEXURBELS]: So I wouldn't be surprised at all.
[16:05.540 --> 16:11.880]  [ALEXURBELS]: In fact, I'd probably be surprised if they didn't receive literature in the mail suggesting that they go out and vote.
[16:12.100 --> 16:13.460]  [ALEXURBELS]: So whose fault is that?
[16:13.760 --> 16:19.840]  [ALEXURBELS]: But I think there's a better way to connect this, though, to some Trump administration initiatives.
[16:19.960 --> 16:35.900]  [ALEXURBELS]: Because what this story reminded me of is what we were discussing last week or the week before, and it's that, you know, this reminder that government software and civic software, it's not just like one app that works seamlessly, right?
[16:36.000 --> 16:45.180]  [ALEXURBELS]: There's this whole stack of interdependent, essentially failures, just waiting for one bad assumption to be made about a logic gate.
[16:45.900 --> 16:54.720]  [ALEXURBELS]: And this is why this whole idea of the national design studio that we were talking about last week or the week before is so totally insane.
[16:54.900 --> 17:14.560]  [ALEXURBELS]: This national design studio that Trump wants to redesign everything in some kind of sleek, modern, you know, new HTML, CSS style sheet or whatever the hell it is at this point for all of the .gov top-level domain, it just shows you why that's a total disaster waiting for,
[17:14.560 --> 17:17.820]  [ALEXURBELS]: you know, somebody to do something just like this, right?
[17:17.880 --> 17:22.000]  [ALEXURBELS]: You are just essentially redecorating a disaster waiting to happen.
[17:23.000 --> 17:23.820]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead, Gila.
[17:24.080 --> 17:37.040]  [GILADRAZEN]: I think the other thing that I was thinking of, and Alex, absolutely, it's not like these 400 people, you know, with malice of forethought attempted to register to vote, because I think that's what they're trying to say is the SAVE Act, right?
[17:37.220 --> 17:41.700]  [GILADRAZEN]: That marauding non-citizens are trying to vote and throw all our elections.
[17:41.840 --> 17:42.080]  [GILADRAZEN]: Come on.
[17:42.380 --> 17:46.300]  [GILADRAZEN]: But Idemia, I knew I'd heard of them before.
[17:48.320 --> 17:52.920]  [GILADRAZEN]: Apparently, they're a massive multinational biometrics organization.
[17:54.200 --> 18:00.320]  [GILADRAZEN]: And I interacted with their products last week, because I was flying.
[18:01.020 --> 18:10.160]  [GILADRAZEN]: And I have TSA PreCheck, and Idemia runs the company that runs the facial recognition for TSA PreCheck.
[18:11.000 --> 18:19.780]  [GILADRAZEN]: They own and operate all of the little kiosks that are in every Staples where you can go get your TSA PreCheck interview.
[18:20.820 --> 18:34.200]  [GILADRAZEN]: So as much as it also is that, you know, all of these multitude of entities are all kind of relying on each other, and we have all these dominoes lined up in terms of websites and responsibilities and this and that and the other.
[18:34.480 --> 18:45.840]  [GILADRAZEN]: But there's also a lot, a very small number of organizations that are kind of concentrated in these areas doing a lot of pretty important stuff.
[18:46.080 --> 18:48.080]  [GILADRAZEN]: And yeah.
[18:51.190 --> 18:56.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, yeah, I mean, you'll find them, I guess, in a lot of places.
[18:57.650 --> 19:11.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: The point is, though, you know, incompetence, bad software, that trumps everything, you know, you'll be able to just get past any barriers if that exists, you know, that there's just no getting around that.
[19:11.990 --> 19:20.570]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, you can say that, yes, you require an original birth certificate to be able to get permission to, to vote.
[19:20.970 --> 19:25.970]  [EVILCORLEY]: But then if somebody just says, okay, you gave that to me, check, and you're in.
[19:26.290 --> 19:27.330]  [EVILCORLEY]: How do you prevent that?
[19:27.410 --> 19:27.950]  [EVILCORLEY]: You don't.
[19:28.250 --> 19:30.470]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, this is what we're looking at here.
[19:31.490 --> 19:36.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: People that were given the wrong status through no fault of their own.
[19:36.270 --> 19:44.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: And here's the thing, there is a real concern about what's going to happen, especially to the 400 people who mistakenly cast ballots.
[19:44.530 --> 19:48.490]  [EVILCORLEY]: And, you know, think about what you get in the mail before an election.
[19:48.790 --> 19:52.710]  [EVILCORLEY]: You get a postcard tells you where your polling place is.
[19:53.270 --> 19:57.130]  [EVILCORLEY]: You probably get all kinds of election pamphlets and things.
[19:57.850 --> 20:01.430]  [EVILCORLEY]: So people naturally thought, oh, I guess I qualify.
[20:01.650 --> 20:07.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, they're not up on common rules and current events and all that kind of thing.
[20:08.670 --> 20:12.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: So they can be forgiven for thinking the wrong thing because they were told the wrong thing.
[20:12.690 --> 20:19.890]  [EVILCORLEY]: But now there is a real concern that they are going to be prosecuted by the federal government.
[20:20.150 --> 20:32.970]  [EVILCORLEY]: And the governor of New Jersey said she's afraid those people might now be at risk of not only federal prosecution, but all kinds of unexpected hurdles through no fault of their own as they work towards becoming citizens.
[20:33.770 --> 20:36.870]  [EVILCORLEY]: She said we're working very hard to protect them.
[20:36.990 --> 20:37.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: But think about it.
[20:37.730 --> 20:39.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: How do you protect them?
[20:39.050 --> 20:42.550]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, the voter polls, the voter registration list, that's public.
[20:43.370 --> 20:45.750]  [EVILCORLEY]: They can find out who those people were.
[20:45.870 --> 20:47.130]  [EVILCORLEY]: They can target those people.
[20:47.490 --> 20:50.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: And we know this administration will do things like that.
[20:50.790 --> 20:52.390]  [EVILCORLEY]: They don't care if the people are innocent.
[20:52.590 --> 20:54.110]  [EVILCORLEY]: They will go after them.
[20:54.370 --> 21:01.290]  [EVILCORLEY]: So I'm more concerned about that than anything else here that is an error that's been fixed.
[21:02.090 --> 21:06.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's just the horrible way that individuals are treated.
[21:06.950 --> 21:07.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead, Alex.
[21:09.110 --> 21:09.750]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[21:09.910 --> 21:14.970]  [ALEXURBELS]: The collateral consequences of this are something I didn't consider for these non-citizens.
[21:14.970 --> 21:24.490]  [ALEXURBELS]: And it is absolutely true, especially if they are facing some kind of federal charge for voter fraud.
[21:25.850 --> 21:31.030]  [ALEXURBELS]: You know, what Gila and I were both banging on about before is this issue of intent.
[21:31.410 --> 21:40.730]  [ALEXURBELS]: And under federal law, you can't have any kind of punishment for somebody who knowingly votes.
[21:40.950 --> 21:41.570]  [ALEXURBELS]: I'm sorry.
[21:41.750 --> 21:47.670]  [ALEXURBELS]: You would actually have to have somebody who knowingly votes when they know they are not eligible.
[21:47.890 --> 21:51.770]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's the kind of... it's kind of like a double knowledge requirement there.
[21:51.770 --> 21:57.070]  [ALEXURBELS]: So you have to know you're not eligible and knowingly vote at that time.
[21:57.250 --> 22:03.790]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's the only way that you could satisfy the criminal elements of a particular charge for voting in that matter.
[22:04.190 --> 22:06.350]  [ALEXURBELS]: So you would have to have the intentionality there.
[22:06.850 --> 22:10.070]  [ALEXURBELS]: But to be honest with you, that doesn't matter.
[22:10.110 --> 22:14.530]  [ALEXURBELS]: Whether or not somebody is convicted of a particular crime doesn't matter.
[22:14.750 --> 22:35.870]  [ALEXURBELS]: If you're charged with a crime, if you are an immigrant, non-citizen, even if you have an asylum claim pending, and you are simply charged with a crime, it could be disorderly conduct, it could be shoplifting, it could be any number of things, that usually is necessary and sufficient condition for an immigration judge to deny you bond if ICE picks you up.
[22:35.990 --> 22:40.630]  [ALEXURBELS]: Because you might be considered to be a danger to the community or a flight risk to the community.
[22:40.630 --> 23:00.570]  [ALEXURBELS]: In fact, the latest case that we were talking about last week that I won, my sixth petition for writ of habeas corpus on behalf of a ICE detainee, this was a person who was detained for almost three months, two and a half months, for a bogus shoplifting charge.
[23:00.570 --> 23:02.790]  [ALEXURBELS]: It was basically a petty larceny charge.
[23:02.910 --> 23:04.370]  [ALEXURBELS]: And it wasn't a conviction.
[23:04.370 --> 23:06.670]  [ALEXURBELS]: It wasn't anything proven.
[23:06.670 --> 23:10.510]  [ALEXURBELS]: In fact, it was trying to be plea bargained down.
[23:10.690 --> 23:33.870]  [ALEXURBELS]: But because of something called the Lake and Riley Act, and we all know that tragedy happened with Lake and Riley, and it's not making light of that, but the act that followed this to try to protect people from violent non-citizens roaming around our streets basically made it a predicate to be charged with any one of these enumerated offenses was a predicate that was sufficient enough for somebody
[23:33.870 --> 23:35.210]  [ALEXURBELS]: to just be held in ICE detention.
[23:36.130 --> 23:46.830]  [ALEXURBELS]: And so this is, I think, a really dangerous position for a lot of these non-citizens to find themselves in and really said that it's done by no fault of their own.
[23:47.550 --> 23:52.830]  [ALEXURBELS]: If somebody knew that they weren't supposed to vote and they voted, that's still against the law.
[23:53.050 --> 24:11.630]  [ALEXURBELS]: We're talking about what I would presume is the vast majority of situations for these 400 people are that they were encouraged to vote, and they went out and voted because they probably felt like it was their civic duty being reminded over and over and over again by massive amounts of campaign advertisements.
[24:12.870 --> 24:19.230]  [ALEXURBELS]: So if there's collateral consequences here, I'll be the first one to jump up and try to help them out of this mess.
[24:19.890 --> 24:27.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, the other thing that kind of gets me here is the assumption that this kind of mistake only benefits one side.
[24:27.270 --> 24:32.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: It could benefit anyone if people vote and they aren't entitled to vote.
[24:32.370 --> 24:34.110]  [EVILCORLEY]: You don't know who they're going to vote for.
[24:34.270 --> 24:38.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: Are people that aren't legally permitted to vote all Democrats?
[24:38.450 --> 24:41.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: Is that the view here?
[24:41.230 --> 24:51.390]  [EVILCORLEY]: Apparently it is because that's how they keep pushing things like the Save America Act, which, by the way, is one of the greatest threats to democracy that I could imagine.
[24:51.390 --> 24:59.450]  [EVILCORLEY]: It basically takes the control of elections out of the hands of local authorities and puts it in the hands of federal authorities.
[25:00.190 --> 25:03.570]  [EVILCORLEY]: Your driver's license will not be enough to prove who you are.
[25:03.670 --> 25:09.230]  [EVILCORLEY]: You'll need to get access to birth certificates and all kinds of documents that a lot of people don't have access to.
[25:09.690 --> 25:16.710]  [EVILCORLEY]: And all this information is going to be kept in centralized databases like they have never been done before.
[25:16.710 --> 25:16.770]  [EVILCORLEY]: Sure.
[25:17.050 --> 25:19.790]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's truly a scary thing.
[25:19.950 --> 25:23.650]  [EVILCORLEY]: And they are using fear to try and get people to support this.
[25:24.070 --> 25:39.930]  [EVILCORLEY]: And we've seen so many congressmen basically pushing lies and stoking fear to get people to back this, which would be an incredibly bad idea, bad for democracy, bad for all of us.
[25:40.010 --> 25:40.310]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead, Rob.
[25:41.110 --> 25:59.670]  [ROBVINCENT]: And it's worth noting that in this particular case, these roughly 400 non-citizens who were miscategorized as having the right to vote, if all of them voted in the election, this is pointed out in this article in the Times, if all of them had voted, they would constitute just 0.02% of the electorate.
[25:59.770 --> 26:09.590]  [ROBVINCENT]: They would not have swayed any of the elections in 2024 when Harris actually, in the presidential election, won New Jersey by more than 252,000 votes.
[26:09.850 --> 26:22.870]  [ROBVINCENT]: So even if all of these people voted, and there's no indication that they did, even if they all voted on the same side, which there's no indication that they did, it would not have changed anything substantial in terms of the election itself.
[26:23.130 --> 26:26.770]  [ROBVINCENT]: So this is a rounding error, basically, mathematically speaking.
[26:27.670 --> 26:33.090]  [ROBVINCENT]: And so there is no actual threat to the end result of the election in this case.
[26:33.210 --> 26:38.630]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, there's no question it shouldn't have happened, but it was caught and it was revealed and it's being dealt with.
[26:38.630 --> 26:44.470]  [EVILCORLEY]: And that's something that we should be praising, not using as evidence to make things even worse.
[26:44.650 --> 26:44.970]  [EVILCORLEY]: Alex?
[26:46.190 --> 26:54.890]  [ALEXURBELS]: Well, on that very note, right, we're talking about the legal exposure, jeopardy these people could be facing of these 400 people who actually did the right thing, right?
[26:54.930 --> 27:03.990]  [ALEXURBELS]: And I think that would certainly counsel me if I was a prosecutor thinking about bringing a charge, saying, well, did this person do the right thing?
[27:03.990 --> 27:09.650]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, they answered no, they were not a citizen and then accidentally registered to vote by somebody else, right?
[27:09.730 --> 27:12.610]  [ALEXURBELS]: It's like, so it's a terrible thing.
[27:12.710 --> 27:14.730]  [ALEXURBELS]: But what about the other side of this, right?
[27:14.990 --> 27:23.570]  [ALEXURBELS]: Why are we not talking about any kind of legal exposure for people who knowingly withheld this information or the people who negligently created these systems?
[27:23.790 --> 27:30.030]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, I think those are the ones that should really be concerned about the maximum amount of liability here.
[27:30.030 --> 27:35.550]  [ALEXURBELS]: And I'm talking really about civil liability here because, as Rob noted, this was de minimis.
[27:35.950 --> 27:38.990]  [ALEXURBELS]: And there is this old expression in the law.
[27:39.110 --> 27:40.350]  [ALEXURBELS]: It's Latin, of course.
[27:40.890 --> 27:43.170]  [ALEXURBELS]: De minimis non curat lex, right?
[27:43.270 --> 27:45.130]  [ALEXURBELS]: The law doesn't care about trifles.
[27:45.350 --> 27:50.610]  [ALEXURBELS]: And to me, this is certainly a trifle, but it exposes some really bad systems.
[27:50.770 --> 27:52.710]  [ALEXURBELS]: And I think you're right.
[27:53.050 --> 27:56.670]  [ALEXURBELS]: It is a rare thing when you write twice in a row in like five minutes, Emmanuel.
[27:56.870 --> 27:57.670]  [ALEXURBELS]: It's amazing to me.
[27:57.670 --> 28:00.530]  [ALEXURBELS]: But that's what we should be applauding here.
[28:02.050 --> 28:07.310]  [ROBVINCENT]: Talking of liability too, Edemia, looking at their own Wikipedia article, there's a lot to learn here.
[28:07.510 --> 28:13.670]  [ROBVINCENT]: They're a French company and they have fingers and pies all over the world and they are no strangers to being liable for things.
[28:13.790 --> 28:32.650]  [ROBVINCENT]: There is an extensive controversies section on this article with headings like sharing sensitive biometric data, bribery in Nigeria, hiding Russian government-affiliated code from the FBI in a product that they used in fingerprint analysis software contained code written by a Russian government-affiliated firm and they hid that fact from the FBI.
[28:33.410 --> 28:39.110]  [ROBVINCENT]: Contributions to state repression in Egypt, you know, all sorts of other things in addition to this thing in Jersey.
[28:39.330 --> 28:43.630]  [ROBVINCENT]: So they are no strangers to basically being called out on stuff.
[28:43.670 --> 28:48.710]  [ROBVINCENT]: But, you know, will they help, will they be held liable for this error in any substantial way remains to be seen.
[28:49.850 --> 28:50.650]  [EVILCORLEY]: Human error.
[28:50.810 --> 28:52.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: Human error always conquers all.
[28:52.530 --> 29:00.290]  [EVILCORLEY]: And I think that's just another indication of why we need to be checking things and never believe anything that you're told.
[29:01.470 --> 29:06.670]  [EVILCORLEY]: Now, on that note, Trump's Mad King speech was last Thursday.
[29:06.930 --> 29:07.970]  [EVILCORLEY]: You guys catch this?
[29:08.110 --> 29:10.510]  [EVILCORLEY]: I mean, you know, a lot of networks didn't cover it.
[29:10.710 --> 29:19.930]  [EVILCORLEY]: And I think that was kind of a mistake because, you know, if you have King Lear, you know, falling apart, the people should know.
[29:20.110 --> 29:21.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: The people should see it.
[29:21.150 --> 29:22.250]  [EVILCORLEY]: The people should witness it.
[29:22.610 --> 29:24.470]  [EVILCORLEY]: And plan accordingly.
[29:24.830 --> 29:30.290]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, not just ignore it and pretend everything's okay because that's kind of playing into it.
[29:30.970 --> 29:36.550]  [EVILCORLEY]: What he says is going to affect us and what he said on Thursday certainly is going to affect us.
[29:36.950 --> 29:56.450]  [EVILCORLEY]: This is where he basically laid it out for us as far as how elections are going to be run in the immediate future if he has any say over it, claiming that basically everything is vulnerable to being hacked.
[29:56.590 --> 29:57.950]  [EVILCORLEY]: And this is where we come in, obviously.
[29:58.210 --> 30:08.790]  [EVILCORLEY]: Now, I should point out there's no evidence that foreign or domestic hackers have ever exploited electronic voting machines to change votes or impact the outcome of an election.
[30:10.090 --> 30:17.230]  [EVILCORLEY]: Now, investigators did find that Russian hackers successfully accessed the voter registration databases of a few U.S.
[30:17.610 --> 30:22.570]  [EVILCORLEY]: states ahead of the 2016 elections, but they never changed any votes.
[30:22.890 --> 30:28.570]  [EVILCORLEY]: And to date, that's the most intensive hacking effort documented by federal authorities involving U.S.
[30:28.690 --> 30:29.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: elections.
[30:30.590 --> 30:35.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: But the way Trump is playing it, it's basically, it's a free-for-all.
[30:35.430 --> 30:41.490]  [EVILCORLEY]: And everybody, especially Democrats, are out there hacking voting machines and stealing votes.
[30:42.490 --> 30:44.490]  [EVILCORLEY]: Basically, just spreading lies.
[30:44.490 --> 30:50.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: I think at one point he said that there was a machine where you pressed a button for Trump and it came out Biden.
[30:50.350 --> 30:51.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, just making it up.
[30:52.210 --> 30:56.490]  [EVILCORLEY]: So many instances like that, but people believe it and Fox News parrots it.
[30:56.910 --> 31:05.890]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's scary because we're facing an election in a few months that is going to change the direction of the country.
[31:06.630 --> 31:08.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: And these guys know they're going to lose.
[31:08.850 --> 31:12.770]  [EVILCORLEY]: They're going to lose badly unless they do something dramatic.
[31:12.770 --> 31:14.430]  [EVILCORLEY]: And that is what we are seeing.
[31:14.750 --> 31:17.510]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't want to say in its infancy because it's well-developed.
[31:18.830 --> 31:21.470]  [EVILCORLEY]: We're going to see a lot more speeches like last Thursdays.
[31:21.550 --> 31:23.930]  [EVILCORLEY]: We're going to see a lot more scare tactics.
[31:25.130 --> 31:28.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: And I, you know, I hope we're prepared for this.
[31:28.910 --> 31:47.430]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Well, the important thing is to have a ground game and to respond to it so that you're identifying these things immediately and countering it with the appropriate, correct information and awareness about the tools and the types of tactics that are being used.
[31:47.630 --> 32:02.150]  [KYLEDROSDK]: But it's absolutely the way that the machine of our democracy renews and replaces some of these problems, shall we say.
[32:02.150 --> 32:23.910]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And if we don't get to do that, then we are in even worse trouble than we are, you know, looking at that election as a possible moment to register and figure out what people are for and what they are not with about this whole thing.
[32:24.770 --> 32:27.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: Whoever is typing, please stop because it's very loud.
[32:28.970 --> 32:33.910]  [EVILCORLEY]: So did you all see the documents that were released last Thursday because they're quite interesting?
[32:34.530 --> 32:35.490]  [EVILCORLEY]: Any of us look at them?
[32:36.670 --> 32:38.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: Guys, you've got to take an interest in this.
[32:38.390 --> 32:39.830]  [EVILCORLEY]: I mean, we're, you know, at the forefront here.
[32:40.290 --> 32:43.090]  [ALEXURBELS]: I look at a lot of documents, but what documents?
[32:43.270 --> 32:52.830]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, these are documents released by the White House saying that they prove that the elections are being compromised, that hackers are running amok, you know, it's kind of up our alley.
[32:53.390 --> 33:04.770]  [EVILCORLEY]: But according to this political article, documents released by the White House this Thursday did not back up Trump's claims of widespread exploitation of electronic voting machines.
[33:05.450 --> 33:13.430]  [EVILCORLEY]: One 2020 report from the National Intelligence Council detailed concerns that foreign hackers might seek to compromise U.S.
[33:13.590 --> 33:18.250]  [EVILCORLEY]: election infrastructure, but did not conclude this occurred.
[33:18.250 --> 33:25.570]  [EVILCORLEY]: Just expressed concern that this could happen, but yeah, no actual evidence.
[33:26.730 --> 33:37.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: Scott Algier, executive director of the Information Technology Information Sharing and Analysis Center, said, I'm not aware of an incident in which a vote has been changed through a hack.
[33:37.710 --> 33:47.210]  [EVILCORLEY]: There's lots of opportunity for that to happen because we have lots of elections, and I think the fact that it hasn't happened is an indication of how secure the overall election process is.
[33:48.350 --> 33:53.470]  [EVILCORLEY]: But that, of course, was not mentioned in the speech or in the remarks by the White House afterwards.
[33:53.750 --> 33:54.370]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead, Gila.
[33:54.370 --> 33:57.390]  [GILADRAZEN]: So, Emmanuel, I just want to make sure I understand what you're saying.
[33:58.710 --> 34:01.790]  [GILADRAZEN]: So, this is a great big lie.
[34:01.950 --> 34:02.990]  [GILADRAZEN]: This is a big fat lie.
[34:03.650 --> 34:07.750]  [GILADRAZEN]: And there are no documents to back up the big fat lie.
[34:09.510 --> 34:10.370]  [EVILCORLEY]: Basically, yes.
[34:10.570 --> 34:11.770]  [EVILCORLEY]: You have the gist of it.
[34:12.390 --> 34:13.570]  [GILADRAZEN]: Okay, just making sure.
[34:14.530 --> 34:16.890]  [GILADRAZEN]: I just, you know, kind of trying to...
[34:16.890 --> 34:21.610]  [GILADRAZEN]: I mean, are we supposed to be surprised that there are no documents that support the big fat lie?
[34:22.290 --> 34:23.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: You're still supposed to be scared.
[34:23.810 --> 34:26.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: And I feel that you're not being scared enough.
[34:26.870 --> 34:28.150]  [GILADRAZEN]: You're probably right.
[34:29.590 --> 34:36.870]  [GILADRAZEN]: But, no, I mean, obviously, the documents didn't support it because it's a big fat lie.
[34:38.530 --> 34:40.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, I think we've made the point.
[34:40.270 --> 34:40.930]  [EVILCORLEY]: I do.
[34:41.530 --> 34:42.330]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yes, go ahead, Alex.
[34:43.050 --> 34:53.450]  [ALEXURBELS]: You know, this is, I feel like, exactly the same conversation we were having exactly 10 years ago and talking about the election, right?
[34:53.550 --> 35:06.770]  [ALEXURBELS]: And you also bring up this point, Emmanuel, that yes, the voter rolls, you know, this is being accessed by a Russian threat actor, ostensibly by the GRU, as I believe it is supposed to be.
[35:07.830 --> 35:13.730]  [ALEXURBELS]: That seems to be the most serious incident to date of anything that's actually been reported here.
[35:13.730 --> 35:21.310]  [ALEXURBELS]: And if that were to happen back in 2016, who do you think the Russians would have favored at that particular moment, number one?
[35:21.690 --> 35:27.670]  [ALEXURBELS]: But I think that we have evolved as a nation in many ways with respect to our voting systems.
[35:27.970 --> 35:36.710]  [ALEXURBELS]: This is something that our dear friend of our show, Matt Blaze, does a tremendous amount of research on down at Georgetown.
[35:37.350 --> 35:47.830]  [ALEXURBELS]: But, you know, the security of election systems, the fact that they are so many disparate systems that run independently across the country, that's something...
[35:47.830 --> 35:49.850]  [ALEXURBELS]: I do hate this phrase, but I will use it.
[35:49.950 --> 35:51.930]  [ALEXURBELS]: You know, that's kind of a feature, not a bug, right?
[35:52.090 --> 36:01.250]  [ALEXURBELS]: You know, the fact that they are all disconnected and different makes it difficult for any one threat actor to infiltrate the entire nation's voting systems.
[36:01.570 --> 36:23.990]  [ALEXURBELS]: But even if they did, what we've moved on to over the last 10 years because of, in large part, I think, the cries of the hacker and the cybersecurity community about, vulnerabilities inherent to direct recording electronic voting, which means votes that are cast purely electronically on a ballot without any kind of paper trail associated with a vote.
[36:24.430 --> 36:25.870]  [ALEXURBELS]: We've moved away from that.
[36:26.030 --> 36:30.450]  [ALEXURBELS]: I don't know if there are any jurisdictions where that still exists just by itself.
[36:30.450 --> 36:32.050]  [ALEXURBELS]: I imagine probably a few.
[36:32.290 --> 36:35.010]  [ALEXURBELS]: It's got to be extraordinarily rare, though, at this point.
[36:35.410 --> 36:39.670]  [ALEXURBELS]: And every time you go and vote, you fill out something on a piece of paper.
[36:39.850 --> 36:41.830]  [ALEXURBELS]: That piece of paper is then scanned.
[36:41.830 --> 36:47.270]  [ALEXURBELS]: The results are then transcribed into some kind of database of votes, right?
[36:47.430 --> 36:48.190]  [ALEXURBELS]: And a tally.
[36:48.430 --> 36:59.350]  [ALEXURBELS]: And so, this voter-verified paper ballot or this paper record, it's a very interesting, you know, aspect of election security, right?
[36:59.470 --> 37:02.710]  [ALEXURBELS]: Because it doesn't make security...
[37:02.710 --> 37:07.070]  [ALEXURBELS]: I'm sorry, it doesn't make elections unbreachable or unhackable in some sense.
[37:07.230 --> 37:17.250]  [ALEXURBELS]: It just makes sure that if you are going to tamper with an election in some way that there's evidence of it and you can track and trace it and you can audit that type of thing when it happens.
[37:17.710 --> 37:23.170]  [ALEXURBELS]: So, I think Trump is totally wrong and way behind the times here.
[37:23.370 --> 37:25.250]  [ALEXURBELS]: I know that's shocking to a lot of people.
[37:25.710 --> 37:28.070]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right, let's move on.
[37:29.050 --> 37:30.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: Rob, you posted this story.
[37:30.970 --> 37:33.130]  [EVILCORLEY]: Maybe we can talk about it a little bit about LG.
[37:33.290 --> 37:47.950]  [EVILCORLEY]: The home appliance giant LG Electronics USA said this week it plans to suspend any apps built for its smart TVs that turn one's television into an always-on residential proxy node.
[37:48.470 --> 38:01.630]  [EVILCORLEY]: The move comes less than a month after researchers found more than 42% of games and other apps available for download on LG's webOS store allow unknown third parties to route their Internet traffic through a user's TV.
[38:02.610 --> 38:06.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, these are some things I'm not really familiar with.
[38:06.710 --> 38:10.790]  [EVILCORLEY]: Can you describe this universe that we're looking upon right now?
[38:11.250 --> 38:12.010]  [ROBVINCENT]: Sure thing.
[38:12.210 --> 38:21.190]  [ROBVINCENT]: So, LG has their app store for apps you can download and install on your television because televisions are computers now and this is the world we live in.
[38:22.410 --> 38:48.870]  [ROBVINCENT]: And apparently so many of the apps in this app store were basically in addition to whatever it was they were supposed to be doing were also using the user's television as a proxy so they could sell access to your television to your television's connection to whatever else is going on on it to various third parties with or without your knowledge.
[38:49.510 --> 38:52.470]  [ROBVINCENT]: Some of these apps would have little screens that gave you choices.
[38:53.670 --> 39:15.410]  [ROBVINCENT]: There is and this is heartbreaking to me there was a Pac-Man app for LG TV and I love Pac-Man who doesn't love Pac-Man but it gave you a choice to either play the game by watching ads which is gross or decline and instead let your give the give the app company permission to use your TV as a residential proxy node.
[39:15.810 --> 39:46.970]  [ROBVINCENT]: This is insane that so much of the base of applications on this app store were basically using your TV as a jumping off point to do God knows what with your connection with that computer that's shaped like a television on your shelf and the end result of this is that people have been complaining about this and LG is finally realizing that they run an app store and they should perhaps maybe have
[39:46.970 --> 39:57.290]  [ROBVINCENT]: some kind of overseeing of the security and the abuse of such things on it so they're removing a bunch of So, you know, it wasn't until this moment that I realized this is good news.
[39:58.470 --> 40:00.790]  [ROBVINCENT]: It is good news that it's being addressed.
[40:00.790 --> 40:03.130]  [ROBVINCENT]: It is horrid news that this was going on.
[40:04.070 --> 40:09.230]  [ROBVINCENT]: But it is... yeah, it's the technological environment we're living in now.
[40:09.370 --> 40:10.450]  [ROBVINCENT]: It's stupid as hell.
[40:10.570 --> 40:12.530]  [ROBVINCENT]: And I can't believe this is a thing.
[40:12.670 --> 40:17.810]  [ROBVINCENT]: But at the same time, I totally can believe that this is something that unscrupulous companies would be taking advantage of.
[40:17.810 --> 40:19.810]  [ROBVINCENT]: I just can't believe they're using my boy Pac-Man to do it.
[40:20.070 --> 40:20.790]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead, Alex.
[40:21.950 --> 40:24.670]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, this is a really crazy story.
[40:25.330 --> 40:27.770]  [ALEXURBELS]: And I think Rob hit it right on the head, too.
[40:28.050 --> 40:32.290]  [ALEXURBELS]: You know, in that the real outrage here is that this has been happening for so long.
[40:32.570 --> 40:34.570]  [ALEXURBELS]: But, you know, think about this, right?
[40:34.670 --> 40:42.530]  [ALEXURBELS]: This is basically other people using your IP address and your home network through your television to do God knows what.
[40:43.350 --> 40:45.170]  [ALEXURBELS]: This could have been really, really bad.
[40:45.310 --> 40:48.670]  [ALEXURBELS]: And maybe, who knows, maybe this has been really, really bad for some people.
[40:48.670 --> 41:00.250]  [ALEXURBELS]: Because what if that connection, what if the proxy relay that your television was used for was to distribute child pornography or child sexual abuse material?
[41:00.430 --> 41:01.750]  [EVILCORLEY]: Why is it always child pornography?
[41:01.950 --> 41:02.850]  [EVILCORLEY]: Why is that always?
[41:02.850 --> 41:03.570]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'll tell you why.
[41:03.570 --> 41:05.710]  [ALEXURBELS]: Because it's a strict liability offense.
[41:05.710 --> 41:11.430]  [ALEXURBELS]: And if you're transiting in child pornography or if it goes across your network in that particular situation.
[41:11.630 --> 41:23.070]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, I wonder if there are people who have been criminally prosecuted for the possession of CSAM materials or child pornography when it was simply being relayed across their network.
[41:23.070 --> 41:36.310]  [ALEXURBELS]: And let's also not forget that, you know, this is a great reason to enforce something called device isolation on your router, which means that certain devices shouldn't be able to see or talk to other devices on the network.
[41:36.310 --> 41:45.570]  [ALEXURBELS]: When usually, you know, we think, oh, it's a good thing for devices to talk together because your television is sitting there basically smack in the middle of your network.
[41:45.570 --> 41:49.330]  [ALEXURBELS]: You want everything to be able to see it because you might want to stream things to it, right?
[41:49.330 --> 41:51.690]  [ALEXURBELS]: So, it's not isolated from the rest of the house.
[41:52.470 --> 41:54.790]  [ALEXURBELS]: It could be a foothold near your router.
[41:55.010 --> 41:57.490]  [ALEXURBELS]: You could perhaps access printers through that.
[41:57.670 --> 42:05.210]  [ALEXURBELS]: You could perhaps access network attached storage, individual machines that might have SSH enabled in them as well.
[42:05.410 --> 42:12.390]  [ALEXURBELS]: So, you know, untold amounts of craziness could have happened through the malicious use of these, what I think are...
[42:12.390 --> 42:16.250]  [ALEXURBELS]: And Rob, am I right in thinking it's like a web OS type of app store?
[42:16.350 --> 42:18.290]  [ALEXURBELS]: Is that what this ridiculous thing was?
[42:18.290 --> 42:30.130]  [ROBVINCENT]: I don't know the exact OS these things are using, but I can't imagine it's very different from a web OS store or even the Android store or, you know, iTunes store or whatever they're calling it now.
[42:30.310 --> 42:32.770]  [ROBVINCENT]: It's just, you know, it's a closed app store.
[42:32.910 --> 42:40.370]  [ROBVINCENT]: You can download sort of a selection of apps that are put there with the tacit approval of the company running the thing.
[42:40.370 --> 42:47.110]  [ROBVINCENT]: And there is some responsibility in running something like that, that you're not going to be feeding your customers crap on this level.
[42:47.690 --> 42:48.610]  [ROBVINCENT]: So, yeah.
[42:48.710 --> 42:54.970]  [ROBVINCENT]: And this article, which was on Krebs on Security, and I want to shout them out for putting this out there.
[42:56.130 --> 43:06.330]  [ROBVINCENT]: It really, it really opens people's eyes to a fact that any hacker will tell you, which is that once you're in a network by any means, you can, it's pretty easy to, you know, getting in is the hard part.
[43:06.470 --> 43:11.810]  [ROBVINCENT]: It's pretty easy once you're in there to do whatever you want with anything connected to it, you know, more or less.
[43:11.810 --> 43:25.130]  [ROBVINCENT]: So, this is not only, you know, they're abusing my television, this is you're letting people into what might potentially be every aspect of everything that's on your, that's on your home network and every aspect of your digital life.
[43:25.410 --> 43:37.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wasn't there another company several years back that just offered your, your router, your bandwidth to anybody passing by in the street and they, they treated it like it was the most normal thing in the world.
[43:37.690 --> 43:41.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't remember who that was, but it was, it might've been a cable provider.
[43:41.850 --> 43:49.370]  [EVILCORLEY]: It might've been some, some, some other merchant or something that, that had a lot of access to customers.
[43:49.610 --> 43:50.510]  [EVILCORLEY]: Anybody remember that?
[43:51.010 --> 43:51.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm looking.
[43:51.870 --> 43:52.810]  [ROBVINCENT]: I do remember this.
[43:52.870 --> 44:00.390]  [ROBVINCENT]: I think it might've been Spectrum doing that, where your, your router would also be part of Spectrum's own network to give to their customers.
[44:00.550 --> 44:05.550]  [ROBVINCENT]: I don't know for certain that it was Spectrum, but it was either them or some provider on the scale of them.
[44:06.150 --> 44:13.030]  [EVILCORLEY]: And, uh, it's, it's, uh, I like the assumptions they make that, Oh yeah, people will be good with this.
[44:13.150 --> 44:14.090]  [EVILCORLEY]: No, no problem at all.
[44:14.910 --> 44:16.650]  [EVILCORLEY]: When's the last time they hung out with people?
[44:19.470 --> 44:21.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: What in God's name is going on out there?
[44:23.090 --> 44:24.650]  [ROBVINCENT]: Alex, that's from your, wherever you are.
[44:24.770 --> 44:26.990]  [ROBVINCENT]: There was some, uh, sort of motory noise.
[44:27.090 --> 44:28.870]  [ROBVINCENT]: Oh, I was afraid that was the music starting.
[44:29.530 --> 44:29.670]  [ROBVINCENT]: Yeah.
[44:29.830 --> 44:29.950]  [ROBVINCENT]: Okay.
[44:30.050 --> 44:31.350]  [ROBVINCENT]: I have to explain that.
[44:31.350 --> 44:32.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: That wasn't the dog.
[44:32.310 --> 44:32.990]  [EVILCORLEY]: What was that?
[44:33.410 --> 44:34.330]  [EVILCORLEY]: Sounded like a spaceship.
[44:34.330 --> 44:38.670]  [ALEXURBELS]: That was, that was some kind of, uh, car that needed a new muffler.
[44:38.850 --> 44:41.530]  [ALEXURBELS]: I think that it sounded like it was very far away.
[44:42.070 --> 44:43.350]  [ALEXURBELS]: I don't really understand that.
[44:43.390 --> 44:43.750]  [EVILCORLEY]: No, it didn't.
[44:43.750 --> 44:45.030]  [EVILCORLEY]: It sounded pretty damn close.
[44:47.050 --> 44:48.610]  [ALEXURBELS]: These are just good, good mics.
[44:48.710 --> 44:49.210]  [ALEXURBELS]: I apologize.
[44:49.410 --> 44:50.470]  [EVILCORLEY]: Are you in pencil tucky?
[44:51.570 --> 44:52.130]  [ALEXURBELS]: I am.
[44:52.130 --> 44:53.530]  [ALEXURBELS]: I am in pencil tucky at the moment.
[44:53.830 --> 44:54.550]  [ALEXURBELS]: Well, that explains that.
[44:54.750 --> 44:55.150]  [ALEXURBELS]: This is why.
[44:55.430 --> 44:55.550]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yep.
[44:55.710 --> 44:56.270]  [ALEXURBELS]: You got it.
[44:56.350 --> 44:56.490]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yep.
[44:56.590 --> 44:56.730]  [ALEXURBELS]: Okay.
[44:56.770 --> 45:02.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: Hey, listen, uh, before we run out of time, uh, I just wanted to remind people, uh, WBAI is in the middle of a fundraiser.
[45:03.070 --> 45:15.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: And, um, if you want to keep discussions like this, uh, coming, uh, or maybe, uh, uh, the discussions that come after this one is over and, uh, you say good riddance, um, please support WBAI.
[45:15.670 --> 45:21.350]  [EVILCORLEY]: We've been on the air since 1960 and have yet to air a commercial because we don't believe in them.
[45:21.350 --> 45:22.130]  [EVILCORLEY]: We don't need them.
[45:22.190 --> 45:22.850]  [EVILCORLEY]: We don't want them.
[45:23.550 --> 45:26.310]  [EVILCORLEY]: We need investors in the form of listeners.
[45:26.410 --> 45:29.070]  [EVILCORLEY]: And that's what we have had ever since 1960.
[45:29.130 --> 45:45.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: And we have been able to stay on the air in the middle of New York city for all that time and, uh, and, and, and build up an incredibly devoted following, uh, and, uh, all kinds of archives and history and, uh, memories, uh, that WBAI is, is unique with.
[45:45.270 --> 45:58.710]  [EVILCORLEY]: If you look at any of the radio station in New York city, you will find that WBAI is, is if not the oldest, one of the oldest by far, as far as keeping the same basic format, which is a free form format, meaning we have many formats.
[45:58.890 --> 46:04.390]  [EVILCORLEY]: We have music, we have talk, we have, uh, uh, news, all sorts of different things throughout the course of a day.
[46:04.750 --> 46:10.770]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, and, uh, we need your help to keep that going because we have to pay the bills somehow and we're not getting money through commercials.
[46:11.470 --> 46:15.230]  [EVILCORLEY]: And this, um, uh, current federal government sure isn't helping at all.
[46:15.270 --> 46:20.670]  [EVILCORLEY]: Um, so please, uh, go to WBAI.org or, uh, give2wbai.org.
[46:20.850 --> 46:21.670]  [EVILCORLEY]: There's a number of websites.
[46:21.870 --> 46:26.110]  [EVILCORLEY]: Does anybody have the full listing or, or numbers or anything else you could, uh, you could share?
[46:28.250 --> 46:28.630]  [ROBVINCENT]: Yep.
[46:28.830 --> 46:31.630]  [ROBVINCENT]: Um, we've got the, uh, phone number for, uh, pledging to the station.
[46:31.770 --> 46:34.730]  [ROBVINCENT]: That's 833-922-4692.
[46:35.050 --> 46:39.250]  [ROBVINCENT]: That's also spells 833-WBAI-NYC, which is very handy.
[46:39.430 --> 46:44.990]  [ROBVINCENT]: Um, or you could go to buddy.wbai.org, um, to give a one-time donation.
[46:44.990 --> 46:56.350]  [ROBVINCENT]: Or become a sustaining WBAI Buddy member, which is something that helps us so very much, uh, where you agree to automatically give a certain amount, um, an amount of your choosing on a regular basis.
[46:56.590 --> 47:01.450]  [ROBVINCENT]: So that's buddy.wbai.org or 833-WBAI-NYC.
[47:01.450 --> 47:16.170]  [GILADRAZEN]: And regardless of whether you call or whether you go online or, I don't know, you put some cash in an envelope and mail it to the station, uh, do let them know that you are supporting Off The Hook because they like to know that you like us.
[47:16.170 --> 47:18.150]  [GILADRAZEN]: So, tell them we sent ya.
[47:18.890 --> 47:19.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yes, please.
[47:20.270 --> 47:21.930]  [EVILCORLEY]: Um, support WBAI.
[47:22.210 --> 47:22.770]  [EVILCORLEY]: Keep us going.
[47:22.990 --> 47:31.090]  [EVILCORLEY]: Keep 99.5 FM commercial-free and alternative and interesting because so much on the radio isn't interesting anymore.
[47:31.230 --> 47:32.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's, it's predictable.
[47:32.450 --> 47:34.510]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's, it's, uh, pre-programmed.
[47:34.630 --> 47:35.430]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's computerized.
[47:35.550 --> 47:37.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's, uh, boring.
[47:37.410 --> 47:37.990]  [EVILCORLEY]: Just boring.
[47:38.410 --> 47:39.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, okay.
[47:39.230 --> 47:40.670]  [EVILCORLEY]: So we only have a couple of minutes left.
[47:41.150 --> 47:42.210]  [EVILCORLEY]: Um, all right.
[47:42.290 --> 47:44.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: Let's, what story shall we get to really quickly?
[47:44.190 --> 47:46.470]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, uh, here's an interesting, uh, headline.
[47:46.630 --> 47:52.550]  [EVILCORLEY]: Hackers are stealing data they can't even read yet because they're banking on quantum computers to crack it later.
[47:52.710 --> 47:54.010]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, that's smart.
[47:54.030 --> 47:55.230]  [EVILCORLEY]: That is smart.
[47:55.530 --> 47:59.070]  [EVILCORLEY]: You might not be able to decrypt everything, but just grab it all.
[47:59.250 --> 48:02.730]  [EVILCORLEY]: And one day, maybe your grandchildren will be able to decrypt it.
[48:02.830 --> 48:06.290]  [EVILCORLEY]: And then we can find out just what it was that, uh, was, was out there.
[48:06.410 --> 48:13.710]  [EVILCORLEY]: There's a debate about when quantum computing will be able to crack the standard forms of encryption that protect everything from Bitcoin to your bank account.
[48:13.710 --> 48:16.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: Some people think it's only a couple of years away.
[48:16.350 --> 48:23.390]  [EVILCORLEY]: Others, notably the researchers at ARK Invest, say it won't arrive until 2044 at the earliest.
[48:23.710 --> 48:25.830]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's not what they told us way back at the beginning.
[48:25.970 --> 48:29.350]  [EVILCORLEY]: They said it won't be for, you know, hundreds of centuries at the very least.
[48:30.050 --> 48:33.130]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, anyway, hackers are not waiting for either of those dates.
[48:33.270 --> 48:43.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: Instead, they're downloading whatever databases they can get their hands on, even if they cannot open them, and saving them for when commercial quantum computing makes it possible to decode the continents.
[48:43.250 --> 48:44.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know what else?
[48:44.410 --> 48:50.730]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, doing that allows you to be backing up these databases in, in a cryptic form, obviously.
[48:50.950 --> 48:58.970]  [EVILCORLEY]: But, you know, it's a valuable service for the inevitable day that, uh, one of these companies just loses everything and doesn't have any backups.
[48:59.170 --> 49:00.370]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, here you are.
[49:00.370 --> 49:04.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right, you've got everything on your, uh, on your local computer system.
[49:04.250 --> 49:04.710]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead, Alex.
[49:05.530 --> 49:10.810]  [ALEXURBELS]: I think this is something we should talk further about on, on Overtime, because it, it deserves a lot of consideration.
[49:10.810 --> 49:12.550]  [ALEXURBELS]: But think about this.
[49:12.690 --> 49:14.330]  [ALEXURBELS]: This is the terrifying aspect of this.
[49:14.450 --> 49:16.710]  [ALEXURBELS]: This can store now, decrypt later type of attack.
[49:17.270 --> 49:27.410]  [ALEXURBELS]: Most of the laws across this entire country with respect to data breaches, and most laws across the world, really, only require you to report a data breach if the data is actually breached.
[49:27.410 --> 49:34.670]  [ALEXURBELS]: There is an assumption built into the laws that you don't have to report a breach if the data that was stolen was encrypted.
[49:35.210 --> 49:48.590]  [ALEXURBELS]: So if the threat actors have been storing all of this data that has been stolen and all of these companies have not reported it because there was no obligation to report it to attorneys generals, information commissioners, et cetera, all of that data that belongs to all of these companies,
[49:48.830 --> 50:05.730]  [ALEXURBELS]: about these individuals, about trade secrets, about intellectual property, things under development, financial forecasting, all these types of, all this proprietary information, if quantum computing becomes available, well, that would be like a very simple can opener to pry open all of that data that's just been sitting there.
[50:05.730 --> 50:08.610]  [ALEXURBELS]: And if that happens, things are going to get messy.
[50:08.890 --> 50:21.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: So you're saying that if there is an encrypted database out there and somebody accesses it, downloads it, whatever, that does not have to be revealed because they haven't actually accessed the data.
[50:21.710 --> 50:24.730]  [EVILCORLEY]: They've simply copied the meaningless gibberish that...
[50:25.790 --> 50:25.930]  [EVILCORLEY]: Exactly.
[50:26.390 --> 50:26.670]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[50:26.670 --> 50:39.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: So if you have an encrypted file out there somewhere being stored by a company, you can assume it's been compromised and nobody's going to tell you about it.
[50:39.490 --> 50:40.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[50:40.290 --> 50:41.950]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's scary.
[50:42.130 --> 50:43.970]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's scary, but also kind of funny.
[50:44.650 --> 50:47.350]  [EVILCORLEY]: Hey, before we leave, we're heading to Overtime now.
[50:47.350 --> 50:51.630]  [EVILCORLEY]: As you mentioned, that is on YouTube, Channel2600.
[50:51.630 --> 50:53.330]  [EVILCORLEY]: You can call us there.
[50:53.330 --> 50:59.290]  [EVILCORLEY]: You can basically interact in various ways or just hear our voices for a little bit longer.
[50:59.610 --> 51:00.750]  [EVILCORLEY]: We had a letter.
[51:01.130 --> 51:05.330]  [EVILCORLEY]: The Overtime on July 15th was exceptionally positive and enjoyable.
[51:05.710 --> 51:09.450]  [EVILCORLEY]: Every caller, except one, didn't...
[51:10.270 --> 51:14.210]  [EVILCORLEY]: seemed to be in a good mood and the discussion was fun to listen to.
[51:14.550 --> 51:20.030]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's nice to hear some happy chatter for a change, even though serious subjects are important.
[51:20.330 --> 51:21.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: Signed, Lob.
[51:21.270 --> 51:23.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, Lob, thank you very much for that nice letter.
[51:23.850 --> 51:24.850]  [EVILCORLEY]: And it's very true.
[51:24.950 --> 51:29.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: We do need to talk about the serious issues, but also have fun at the same time.
[51:29.290 --> 51:30.110]  [EVILCORLEY]: Let's not forget that.
[51:30.570 --> 51:35.730]  [EVILCORLEY]: So join us on Overtime or write to us, oth@2600.com.
[51:36.210 --> 51:38.950]  [EVILCORLEY]: And don't forget to join us next week, 7 p.m. on WBAI 99.5 FM, 7 p.m. on Wednesday.
[51:43.970 --> 51:47.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: And in the meantime, please, won't you support WBAI?
[51:47.990 --> 51:50.750]  [EVILCORLEY]: give2wbai.org.
[51:51.250 --> 51:54.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: And what's that 833 number once more?
[51:56.790 --> 51:57.470]  [EVILCORLEY]: Guys?
[51:57.790 --> 51:58.550]  [EVILCORLEY]: We're looking.
[51:58.830 --> 52:01.950]  [ROBVINCENT]: That is 833-WBAI-NYC.
[52:01.950 --> 52:04.530]  [ROBVINCENT]: That is 833-922-4692.
[52:04.990 --> 52:05.590]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[52:05.870 --> 52:06.930]  [EVILCORLEY]: We'll see you next time.
[52:07.010 --> 52:07.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: Good night.
[54:47.520 --> 54:55.000]  [EVILCORLEY]: And hello, everybody, here on YouTube for Off The Hook Overtime.
[54:55.520 --> 54:56.840]  [EVILCORLEY]: This is Emmanuel.
[54:58.080 --> 54:59.220]  [EVILCORLEY]: Kyle, you're here?
[54:59.760 --> 54:59.940]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[55:00.660 --> 55:01.260]  [EVILCORLEY]: In YouTube?
[55:02.320 --> 55:03.240]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I'm in YouTube.
[55:03.240 --> 55:06.180]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I'm in all kinds of things.
[55:06.460 --> 55:06.620]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[55:07.020 --> 55:07.280]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[55:07.440 --> 55:13.920]  [KYLEDROSDK]: But for now, just mostly, like, you know, whatever frequency range my voice can do.
[55:14.120 --> 55:14.400]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, yeah.
[55:14.620 --> 55:15.240]  [KYLEDROSDK]: YouTube Live.
[55:15.440 --> 55:18.280]  [KYLEDROSDK]: So I guess this is, yeah, encoded and streaming.
[55:18.580 --> 55:21.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: And Rob and Gila and Alex, you all make it?
[55:22.940 --> 55:24.160]  [EVILCORLEY]: We are here.
[55:24.280 --> 55:24.760]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right, then.
[55:25.160 --> 55:25.600]  [ROBVINCENT]: That's it.
[55:25.720 --> 55:25.860]  [ROBVINCENT]: Yep.
[55:25.860 --> 55:27.960]  [EVILCORLEY]: And are we actually on YouTube?
[55:28.900 --> 55:31.120]  [ROBVINCENT]: We are indeed on YouTube and sounding good.
[55:31.400 --> 55:36.100]  [EVILCORLEY]: So this won't be one of these shows where we do the entire show and realize we weren't on YouTube the whole time.
[55:37.640 --> 55:40.140]  [ROBVINCENT]: As fun as that would be, no, no, not tonight.
[55:40.980 --> 55:42.480]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's by request many times, too.
[55:42.700 --> 55:43.820]  [EVILCORLEY]: But okay, so here we are.
[55:43.920 --> 55:44.620]  [EVILCORLEY]: Everything is fine.
[55:44.880 --> 55:53.400]  [EVILCORLEY]: So please, if people want to blather on about things we didn't get to talk about on the show, I'll sit back for a minute and finish this pretzel.
[55:54.280 --> 55:58.240]  [GILADRAZEN]: Okay, so I would like to mention, well, two things.
[55:58.480 --> 56:01.500]  [GILADRAZEN]: Number one is that I'm actually going to have to dip out of here pretty soon.
[56:02.280 --> 56:03.780]  [GILADRAZEN]: Rob is going to take over for me.
[56:07.160 --> 56:09.220]  [GILADRAZEN]: We've got 39 people with us right now.
[56:09.420 --> 56:10.120]  [GILADRAZEN]: Thank you very much.
[56:10.400 --> 56:24.060]  [GILADRAZEN]: And in a weird turn of events, one of the comments, YouTube, at least in my browser, has flagged it as Filipino.
[56:26.040 --> 56:27.500]  [EVILCORLEY]: Flagged it as Filipino.
[56:28.720 --> 56:29.480]  [GILADRAZEN]: So...
[56:29.480 --> 56:31.420]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wait, the show is Filipino?
[56:31.460 --> 56:38.220]  [GILADRAZEN]: No, our buddy Lex posted, Heya Gila, which apparently in Filipino means hi, crazy.
[56:40.020 --> 56:40.780]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[56:41.220 --> 56:41.840]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[56:42.840 --> 56:50.840]  [GILADRAZEN]: Um, so, my, uh, it's saying hi, crazy, which I definitely appreciate.
[56:51.240 --> 56:53.020]  [EVILCORLEY]: Um, yeah, so 40...
[56:53.020 --> 56:56.720]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wait, so why does YouTube feel it has to tell us that it thinks that's Filipino?
[56:57.620 --> 57:00.040]  [GILADRAZEN]: I'm not sure, but it is telling me it's translating.
[57:00.120 --> 57:02.640]  [GILADRAZEN]: And I know that, like, there's...
[57:03.980 --> 57:07.640]  [ROBVINCENT]: Okay, so it is, it is showing you the translation by default.
[57:07.840 --> 57:08.120]  [ROBVINCENT]: Yes.
[57:08.120 --> 57:10.980]  [ROBVINCENT]: So, by default, it is changing what's shown to you.
[57:11.380 --> 57:15.120]  [ROBVINCENT]: And I wonder if that's a setting you can, uh, manipulate.
[57:15.640 --> 57:16.520]  [GILADRAZEN]: I don't know.
[57:16.820 --> 57:18.620]  [GILADRAZEN]: So, um, I'd actually...
[57:18.620 --> 57:19.600]  [ROBVINCENT]: No, it does not appear to be.
[57:19.600 --> 57:24.000]  [GILADRAZEN]: I can see that on Rob's machine, it has not translated.
[57:24.940 --> 57:25.900]  [GILADRAZEN]: So, listeners...
[57:25.900 --> 57:26.960]  [ROBVINCENT]: I guess because you're the moderator.
[57:27.300 --> 57:28.480]  [GILADRAZEN]: Maybe it's because I'm the moderator.
[57:28.680 --> 57:30.840]  [GILADRAZEN]: So wait, so if somebody were...
[57:30.840 --> 57:39.060]  [EVILCORLEY]: YouTube feels it's, it's job to tell you if you could possibly be offended in any language, and it's going to, it's going to offend you to your face.
[57:39.540 --> 57:46.060]  [ROBVINCENT]: So I guess this is a tool for moderators in that if somebody is swearing in foreign, you would want to know about it, uh, theoretically.
[57:46.660 --> 57:54.320]  [ROBVINCENT]: But, uh, for them to do this by default without, uh, without letting you disable it or anything, it is kind of, feels kind of invasive to me.
[57:54.600 --> 57:57.120]  [EVILCORLEY]: I imagine every word is a curse in some language.
[57:58.300 --> 58:11.560]  [GILADRAZEN]: I would assume as much, but, um, yeah, so that was, that, so we've learned now, um, YouTube will rat you out if you try to speak in another language.
[58:11.960 --> 58:14.500]  [GILADRAZEN]: Um, are we landing a plane?
[58:15.700 --> 58:16.360]  [EVILCORLEY]: What does that mean?
[58:16.920 --> 58:17.400]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh.
[58:18.660 --> 58:23.020]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, uh, this is radio, so nobody knows what you're talking about, including me, because I wasn't watching.
[58:23.220 --> 58:23.900]  [EVILCORLEY]: I had my eyes closed.
[58:24.220 --> 58:24.680]  [GILADRAZEN]: Sorry.
[58:24.860 --> 58:36.460]  [GILADRAZEN]: So I was watching the screen where the signal chat is, and all of a sudden a light was blinking, and now Kyle is an air traffic controller just missing the little, uh, sticks.
[58:36.800 --> 58:37.560]  [ROBVINCENT]: The little lightsabers.
[58:38.660 --> 58:40.240]  [EVILCORLEY]: We have our hobbies out here.
[58:40.740 --> 58:42.500]  [KYLEDROSDK]: We're, um, yes.
[58:43.480 --> 58:46.440]  [KYLEDROSDK]: We're, we are, we are full contact.
[58:46.440 --> 58:51.940]  [KYLEDROSDK]: We're ready and, uh, keeping safety, uh, a solid third.
[58:52.200 --> 58:55.820]  [EVILCORLEY]: If a plane needs to land, you know, it's important that you know how to do it.
[58:55.940 --> 58:57.420]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know how to make sure it can land.
[58:58.400 --> 58:59.520]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Oh, all the time.
[58:59.660 --> 58:59.900]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Right.
[58:59.920 --> 59:00.320]  [KYLEDROSDK]: All the time.
[59:00.440 --> 59:00.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[59:00.760 --> 59:00.940]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[59:01.200 --> 59:01.300]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[59:01.420 --> 59:06.000]  [KYLEDROSDK]: But, um, yeah, it's, um, it's a lot of, uh, work behind the scenes here.
[59:06.280 --> 59:08.840]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And we're just, we're just doing our job.
[59:10.420 --> 59:10.940]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Trying to.
[59:11.360 --> 59:11.620]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yes.
[59:11.980 --> 59:12.620]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'll go ahead.
[59:12.880 --> 59:13.460]  [EVILCORLEY]: Gila, then Alex.
[59:13.980 --> 59:14.280]  [GILADRAZEN]: Sorry.
[59:14.660 --> 59:19.400]  [GILADRAZEN]: Um, other people have tried to put things, not tried, have put things in other languages into the chat.
[59:19.780 --> 59:22.940]  [GILADRAZEN]: Um, so I'm glad to hear beans that you are Cancun.
[59:29.940 --> 59:32.360]  [ROBVINCENT]: Um, this, this could be, this could be fun to play with.
[59:32.420 --> 59:33.500]  [GILADRAZEN]: This could be fun to play with.
[59:34.020 --> 59:35.640]  [EVILCORLEY]: Or it could be extremely dull.
[59:36.940 --> 59:38.440]  [GILADRAZEN]: I mean, I'm having a good time.
[59:38.840 --> 59:39.200]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yes.
[59:39.380 --> 59:40.780]  [EVILCORLEY]: But check in in 10 minutes.
[59:41.420 --> 59:42.640]  [EVILCORLEY]: How do you feel then?
[59:42.780 --> 59:44.080]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm sure you'll be sick of it.
[59:46.320 --> 59:46.900]  [GILADRAZEN]: Most likely.
[59:47.040 --> 59:51.500]  [GILADRAZEN]: However, our listenership has got, we've gotten 20 more people as we've been having this conversation.
[59:51.500 --> 59:53.500]  [GILADRAZEN]: So, I'm not saying it's not working.
[59:54.000 --> 59:54.440]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Absolutely.
[59:54.780 --> 59:54.840]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[59:55.020 --> 59:56.440]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Well, try to curse in English.
[59:56.560 --> 59:58.460]  [KYLEDROSDK]: So, we can all enjoy it.
[59:58.460 --> 59:59.420]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, I'll benefit from this.
[59:59.520 --> 01:00:00.320]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, it'd be fun.
[01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:01.680]  [KYLEDROSDK]: We all want to participate.
[01:00:02.020 --> 01:00:06.300]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And, of course, we're, uh, uh, based in the U.S.
[01:00:06.400 --> 01:00:11.020]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And speaking, um, well, okay.
[01:00:11.060 --> 01:00:14.440]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Let's say mostly non-standard, mostly standard English.
[01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:15.820]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And, uh, yeah.
[01:00:16.040 --> 01:00:17.720]  [KYLEDROSDK]: You know, you're welcome to do that, too.
[01:00:21.500 --> 01:00:33.700]  [ALEXURBELS]: If you look this up, hey, Gila, if you translate it and use the detect language function on translate.google.com, it does translate from Malay.
[01:00:33.860 --> 01:00:34.680]  [ALEXURBELS]: Oh, Malay?
[01:00:35.060 --> 01:00:39.480]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, from Malay, interestingly enough, is what Google detects it as.
[01:00:39.660 --> 01:00:42.080]  [ALEXURBELS]: Um, and it translates it to, hey, crazy.
[01:00:42.360 --> 01:00:44.500]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, Malaysia is not the Philippines.
[01:00:45.080 --> 01:00:47.480]  [ALEXURBELS]: No, it's not, but Malay is a language, though.
[01:00:48.740 --> 01:00:50.040]  [GILADRAZEN]: I, I misspoke.
[01:00:50.620 --> 01:00:55.180]  [GILADRAZEN]: Just like the 400 people who accidentally got registered to vote, it was pure human error.
[01:00:56.340 --> 01:00:57.900]  [ROBVINCENT]: Yeah, I guess so.
[01:00:58.180 --> 01:00:58.320]  [ROBVINCENT]: Right.
[01:00:58.580 --> 01:01:03.600]  [ROBVINCENT]: As, I, I, I'm interested to know is which, which, hey, is it heya or gila?
[01:01:03.800 --> 01:01:04.420]  [ROBVINCENT]: That means crazy.
[01:01:05.200 --> 01:01:07.100]  [ROBVINCENT]: Um, this knowledge is important to me.
[01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:07.540]  [GILADRAZEN]: It's gila.
[01:01:07.880 --> 01:01:08.660]  [ROBVINCENT]: It's gila.
[01:01:09.080 --> 01:01:09.260]  [ROBVINCENT]: Yep.
[01:01:09.260 --> 01:01:11.260]  [ROBVINCENT]: So, what did you expect, Rob?
[01:01:11.840 --> 01:01:16.920]  [ROBVINCENT]: I mean, my, my first name means to, my, my first name in English means to steal stuff.
[01:01:17.120 --> 01:01:20.300]  [ROBVINCENT]: So, I mean, I can't really speak out of turn about this.
[01:01:21.780 --> 01:01:23.680]  [EVILCORLEY]: Isn't there a lizard called a gila monster?
[01:01:24.040 --> 01:01:25.300]  [EVILCORLEY]: There certainly is.
[01:01:25.440 --> 01:01:27.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, you must be aware of that then growing up with the name gila.
[01:01:28.320 --> 01:01:28.720]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[01:01:29.020 --> 01:01:30.520]  [GILADRAZEN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:35.980]  [GILADRAZEN]: Um, I, when I was a little kid, I used to cry a lot and say, I'm not a monster.
[01:01:35.980 --> 01:01:36.880]  [GILADRAZEN]: I'm not a monster.
[01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:41.400]  [EVILCORLEY]: But then you brought a gila monster to school one day and everybody shut up after that.
[01:01:41.700 --> 01:01:42.720]  [GILADRAZEN]: They stayed out of my way.
[01:01:43.160 --> 01:01:53.320]  [GILADRAZEN]: Do you know, however, one thing that gila monsters brought to the world, which has really affected the way that the whole world is living right now?
[01:01:54.360 --> 01:01:55.320]  [KYLEDROSDK]: GLP ones.
[01:01:55.620 --> 01:01:56.380]  [GILADRAZEN]: In fact.
[01:01:57.600 --> 01:02:03.100]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, the medicine is derived from a trait that these reptiles have.
[01:02:03.820 --> 01:02:04.260]  [EVILCORLEY]: Mm-hmm.
[01:02:04.560 --> 01:02:05.840]  [EVILCORLEY]: Can you explain this a little better?
[01:02:05.840 --> 01:02:13.220]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, they basically, um, changed the way they metabolize, uh, sugars, I guess, or insulin.
[01:02:13.420 --> 01:02:21.640]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Something about that, uh, regulation, I believe, it allows them to fast or to go into dormant.
[01:02:21.800 --> 01:02:23.180]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I don't know if I'm explaining this.
[01:02:23.260 --> 01:02:24.000]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It's something like that.
[01:02:24.100 --> 01:02:26.380]  [KYLEDROSDK]: They have a natural state that is peculiar.
[01:02:26.380 --> 01:02:53.660]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And, um, believe it or not, science was, science, yeah, was curious about this and, um, found funding in a market to maybe benefit from this trait in, um, in, um, obese and, uh, Americans seeking this kind of, uh, uh, just Americans kind of skill.
[01:02:53.980 --> 01:02:54.160]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[01:02:54.360 --> 01:02:55.980]  [KYLEDROSDK]: They don't naturally come by it.
[01:02:56.080 --> 01:02:56.480]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I don't know.
[01:02:56.600 --> 01:03:10.140]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It's, it's been helpful, but also kind of, uh, socially, uh, uh, a topic of conversation socially, uh, like people, you know, micro dosing now.
[01:03:10.140 --> 01:03:16.160]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And, uh, I don't know, I, I assume Doritos will have a GLP one flavored chips soon.
[01:03:16.460 --> 01:03:22.160]  [KYLEDROSDK]: They're just going to dust those things and, uh, there'll be like diet chips or something.
[01:03:22.740 --> 01:03:23.880]  [EVILCORLEY]: All from Gila monsters.
[01:03:24.180 --> 01:03:24.700]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I, yeah.
[01:03:24.940 --> 01:03:25.320]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:03:25.320 --> 01:03:27.120]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It's the bounty that is nature.
[01:03:27.300 --> 01:03:27.660]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Who knew?
[01:03:27.800 --> 01:03:28.220]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:29.980]  [GILADRAZEN]: All right.
[01:03:30.140 --> 01:03:32.340]  [GILADRAZEN]: So this, this is going to be my moment.
[01:03:32.860 --> 01:03:37.760]  [GILADRAZEN]: Um, I have a meeting I have to get to, so I'm going to time is up.
[01:03:37.940 --> 01:03:39.860]  [EVILCORLEY]: I thought we had a little bit more time than that.
[01:03:39.860 --> 01:03:40.860]  [GILADRAZEN]: Oh my God.
[01:03:41.220 --> 01:03:42.160]  [EVILCORLEY]: I said 10 minutes.
[01:03:42.580 --> 01:03:44.040]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, but it's, is it 10 minutes?
[01:03:44.180 --> 01:03:44.480]  [EVILCORLEY]: You're right.
[01:03:44.640 --> 01:03:45.540]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's exactly 10 minutes.
[01:03:45.780 --> 01:03:46.440]  [GILADRAZEN]: It is.
[01:03:46.660 --> 01:03:52.180]  [GILADRAZEN]: So I'm going to pass my laptop up to Rob.
[01:03:52.560 --> 01:03:53.000]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:03:53.280 --> 01:03:55.320]  [GILADRAZEN]: And I will bid you all a lovely evening.
[01:03:55.460 --> 01:03:56.040]  [EVILCORLEY]: I can't watch.
[01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:00.260]  [EVILCORLEY]: Pass the damn laptop.
[01:04:00.400 --> 01:04:00.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: Get it over with.
[01:04:01.140 --> 01:04:02.420]  [ROBVINCENT]: This is going to be disastrous.
[01:04:02.440 --> 01:04:02.880]  [ROBVINCENT]: Okay.
[01:04:03.560 --> 01:04:04.820]  [ROBVINCENT]: I'm, I'm on here now.
[01:04:04.980 --> 01:04:09.360]  [ROBVINCENT]: And, uh, Hey chat, when you see Gila's name on stuff, it's coming from me.
[01:04:09.860 --> 01:04:10.360]  [ROBVINCENT]: I am now.
[01:04:10.600 --> 01:04:11.180]  [ROBVINCENT]: Look at me.
[01:04:11.340 --> 01:04:12.060]  [ROBVINCENT]: I'm the Gila now.
[01:04:12.200 --> 01:04:13.160]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's the part I hate the most.
[01:04:13.600 --> 01:04:14.380]  [GILADRAZEN]: I'm not taking my phone.
[01:04:15.600 --> 01:04:15.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:04:16.140 --> 01:04:16.440]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[01:04:16.580 --> 01:04:16.820]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[01:04:17.060 --> 01:04:17.620]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, yes, Alex.
[01:04:18.780 --> 01:04:19.700]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, you're waving goodbye.
[01:04:19.820 --> 01:04:19.980]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:04:20.180 --> 01:04:20.360]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[01:04:20.560 --> 01:04:21.540]  [EVILCORLEY]: You called the crazy.
[01:04:21.720 --> 01:04:25.840]  [EVILCORLEY]: She's going to come back, you know, and, uh, continue that conversation.
[01:04:25.980 --> 01:04:27.280]  [EVILCORLEY]: You need to work on your melee accent.
[01:04:27.480 --> 01:04:31.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: Why don't we invite a whole lot more people, uh, in, uh, by opening up the phone lines?
[01:04:31.560 --> 01:04:32.580]  [EVILCORLEY]: Anybody object?
[01:04:33.540 --> 01:04:35.040]  [EVILCORLEY]: That sounds like a great idea.
[01:04:35.240 --> 01:04:35.940]  [EVILCORLEY]: Hearing no objections.
[01:04:36.140 --> 01:04:40.480]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, the move is, um, is, um, motion is passed.
[01:04:40.660 --> 01:04:41.420]  [EVILCORLEY]: The motion is passed.
[01:04:41.860 --> 01:04:43.340]  [EVILCORLEY]: And the phone number is.
[01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:46.580]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's eight zero two.
[01:04:46.820 --> 01:04:48.740]  [EVILCORLEY]: Don't give out your phone number this time.
[01:04:49.860 --> 01:04:53.980]  [ALEXURBELS]: I will try to just stick to trying to redeem myself from last week.
[01:04:53.980 --> 01:04:56.980]  [ALEXURBELS]: Eight zero two three two one four two two five.
[01:04:57.160 --> 01:04:59.160]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's eight zero two three two one.
[01:04:59.460 --> 01:05:01.780]  [ALEXURBELS]: H A C K.
[01:05:02.140 --> 01:05:06.300]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's eight zero two three two one hack, by the way, for those of you too lazy to spell.
[01:05:07.300 --> 01:05:08.340]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, I know.
[01:05:08.560 --> 01:05:14.580]  [ALEXURBELS]: Well, um, what are the odds on our usual person being the first time caller here?
[01:05:14.660 --> 01:05:15.580]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wasn't last week.
[01:05:15.580 --> 01:05:17.840]  [EVILCORLEY]: And I believe he said he was going to be in Europe.
[01:05:18.480 --> 01:05:22.400]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, uh, the odds might be slimmer than you think, Alex.
[01:05:22.640 --> 01:05:23.440]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, that's great.
[01:05:23.940 --> 01:05:24.500]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I'm sorry.
[01:05:24.620 --> 01:05:25.720]  [KYLEDROSDK]: We do have a phone call.
[01:05:25.840 --> 01:05:26.800]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I forgot to turn the ringer on.
[01:05:26.960 --> 01:05:27.840]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I'll do that for the next call.
[01:05:28.100 --> 01:05:30.140]  [EVILCORLEY]: We have a quiet caller.
[01:05:30.320 --> 01:05:30.500]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:05:30.920 --> 01:05:31.480]  [EVILCORLEY]: Good evening.
[01:05:31.680 --> 01:05:33.300]  [EVILCORLEY]: You're on Off The Hook Overtime.
[01:05:33.440 --> 01:05:33.660]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead.
[01:05:34.460 --> 01:05:35.180]  [REBEL_RICH]: Quiet caller.
[01:05:35.340 --> 01:05:35.480]  [REBEL_RICH]: Yes.
[01:05:35.620 --> 01:05:36.260]  [REBEL_RICH]: And I, you all.
[01:05:36.440 --> 01:05:37.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, I guess I was wrong.
[01:05:37.880 --> 01:05:40.760]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, he was number one, uh, Rebel.
[01:05:40.920 --> 01:05:42.820]  [EVILCORLEY]: Did you not go to Europe or are you still going?
[01:05:43.120 --> 01:05:44.240]  [REBEL_RICH]: No, I'm going next week.
[01:05:44.380 --> 01:05:44.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: Next week.
[01:05:45.080 --> 01:05:45.300]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm leaving.
[01:05:45.560 --> 01:05:46.620]  [EVILCORLEY]: Someone write it down.
[01:05:46.820 --> 01:05:46.940]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:05:47.020 --> 01:05:47.580]  [EVILCORLEY]: Next week.
[01:05:48.300 --> 01:05:49.000]  [EVILCORLEY]: Next week.
[01:05:49.200 --> 01:05:51.080]  [REBEL_RICH]: I hope there's an Off The Hook Overtime next week.
[01:05:51.140 --> 01:05:51.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, you don't know.
[01:05:51.640 --> 01:05:52.060]  [EVILCORLEY]: Nobody knows.
[01:05:52.060 --> 01:05:55.600]  [EVILCORLEY]: But, uh, next, um, uh, where will you be in, in one week's time?
[01:05:56.060 --> 01:05:59.160]  [REBEL_RICH]: In, uh, uh, Geneva, Switzerland.
[01:05:59.920 --> 01:06:00.640]  [EVILCORLEY]: Get out.
[01:06:00.880 --> 01:06:01.100]  [EVILCORLEY]: Really?
[01:06:02.180 --> 01:06:02.420]  [REBEL_RICH]: Yeah.
[01:06:02.620 --> 01:06:04.400]  [REBEL_RICH]: I mean, I just wanted to do everything Swiss.
[01:06:04.400 --> 01:06:07.180]  [REBEL_RICH]: I just, you know, Swiss, Swiss watch.
[01:06:07.360 --> 01:06:19.580]  [REBEL_RICH]: You know, because, you know, you hear everything Swiss, like, you know, Swiss cheese and Swiss watches and Swiss army banks and Swiss, you know, bank accounts with this, so I just said, you know, I want to just go to Switzerland and see what the, you know,
[01:06:20.380 --> 01:06:23.300]  [REBEL_RICH]: the, the, the wealthy country is like.
[01:06:23.880 --> 01:06:25.280]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Did you bring your money?
[01:06:25.860 --> 01:06:26.760]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, yeah, because...
[01:06:26.760 --> 01:06:28.600]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, yeah, I, I saved a lot of that, yeah.
[01:06:28.600 --> 01:06:31.260]  [EVILCORLEY]: A wealthy country is like $60 for a sandwich.
[01:06:32.120 --> 01:06:32.720]  [REBEL_RICH]: Right, yeah.
[01:06:33.000 --> 01:06:34.880]  [REBEL_RICH]: And you go to the Swiss Alps, you know.
[01:06:35.480 --> 01:06:37.120]  [EVILCORLEY]: Not even that good a sandwich either.
[01:06:38.520 --> 01:06:47.500]  [REBEL_RICH]: Well, I mean, you know, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do that and then I'm gonna go to, to, to Italy and, you know, go to places around that country.
[01:06:47.700 --> 01:06:48.260]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[01:06:49.840 --> 01:06:50.560]  [REBEL_RICH]: So, um...
[01:06:50.560 --> 01:06:53.780]  [EVILCORLEY]: I said, I suggest a city, uh, called Rome.
[01:06:54.180 --> 01:06:55.080]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's, uh, it's quite nice.
[01:06:55.080 --> 01:06:58.100]  [REBEL_RICH]: Well, no, I've been to Rome a couple of years ago, but I'm going to Milan.
[01:06:58.400 --> 01:06:59.220]  [EVILCORLEY]: Milan is nice, too.
[01:06:59.260 --> 01:07:01.440]  [REBEL_RICH]: And then I'm gonna go to, yeah, I'm gonna go to Venice.
[01:07:01.940 --> 01:07:02.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: Venice is all right.
[01:07:02.560 --> 01:07:04.780]  [REBEL_RICH]: And then I'm gonna go to, to, to Florence.
[01:07:05.180 --> 01:07:05.500]  [EVILCORLEY]: Florence.
[01:07:05.680 --> 01:07:06.460]  [EVILCORLEY]: I've heard of all these places.
[01:07:06.520 --> 01:07:06.880]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[01:07:07.740 --> 01:07:10.120]  [REBEL_RICH]: Yeah, and then I'm gonna fly back home from Rome.
[01:07:10.760 --> 01:07:11.260]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh-huh.
[01:07:11.460 --> 01:07:12.140]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right, all right.
[01:07:13.420 --> 01:07:18.080]  [REBEL_RICH]: So, but while I'm in, uh, Switzerland, I'm gonna be in the western part, in Geneva.
[01:07:18.260 --> 01:07:24.620]  [REBEL_RICH]: I'm gonna be near France, so I'll just go to France and, you know, maybe have some French toast and, you know, French fries.
[01:07:24.920 --> 01:07:27.380]  [EVILCORLEY]: They speak Swiss German in parts of the country.
[01:07:28.200 --> 01:07:30.240]  [REBEL_RICH]: Well, that's the, that's Zurich.
[01:07:30.340 --> 01:07:31.520]  [REBEL_RICH]: I'm gonna be in Zurich as well.
[01:07:31.720 --> 01:07:31.980]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh-huh.
[01:07:33.000 --> 01:07:36.560]  [REBEL_RICH]: But I'm gonna be stopping in Bern because I want to stay at the Swiss Hotel.
[01:07:37.600 --> 01:07:42.300]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yes, Bern is where I had Geraldo Rivera's video camera stolen.
[01:07:43.180 --> 01:07:45.000]  [EVILCORLEY]: Because I had brought it overseas.
[01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:52.860]  [EVILCORLEY]: I was, I was, I was, uh, basically getting footage for them for a program I don't think anybody remembers called Now It Can Be Told.
[01:07:53.540 --> 01:07:54.180]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, and, uh...
[01:07:54.180 --> 01:07:54.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: I remember, yeah.
[01:07:55.000 --> 01:07:55.600]  [EVILCORLEY]: Do you remember that?
[01:07:55.720 --> 01:07:55.900]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:07:56.180 --> 01:07:58.400]  [EVILCORLEY]: And I was supposed to go to Amsterdam and film Hackers.
[01:07:58.820 --> 01:08:10.220]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, and eventually it's exactly what I did, just not with that video recorder, because I slept in a hostel overnight, and while the camera was in the locker, somebody opened the locker and stole it, along with other things.
[01:08:10.460 --> 01:08:12.820]  [EVILCORLEY]: And the, uh, the hostel was in on it.
[01:08:12.880 --> 01:08:18.940]  [EVILCORLEY]: I know they were, because they tried to get me not to talk to the cops, and they said that everyone else that had things ripped off, that was not related.
[01:08:19.400 --> 01:08:23.380]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, and, um, obviously somebody had the key to get into the locker.
[01:08:23.560 --> 01:08:24.680]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, there's all kinds of...
[01:08:25.200 --> 01:08:28.720]  [EVILCORLEY]: But it was insured, and it was, it was, it was all good fun in the end.
[01:08:30.200 --> 01:08:35.860]  [REBEL_RICH]: Yeah, so, uh, I'm going to, you know, because I want to stay in a Swiss hotel, you know.
[01:08:36.580 --> 01:08:40.300]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, stay in a hotel, don't stay in one of those hostels, and don't leave your...
[01:08:40.300 --> 01:08:40.640]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, no, no.
[01:08:40.640 --> 01:08:43.380]  [EVILCORLEY]: Don't leave Harold Rivera's video camera, you know, in a locker.
[01:08:43.500 --> 01:08:44.880]  [EVILCORLEY]: You might think it's safe, but it's not.
[01:08:45.080 --> 01:08:45.580]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right?
[01:08:46.000 --> 01:08:46.320]  [REBEL_RICH]: Right.
[01:08:47.620 --> 01:08:48.260]  [REBEL_RICH]: Um, yeah.
[01:08:48.360 --> 01:08:49.540]  [REBEL_RICH]: Then I'm going to go to, uh, Geneva.
[01:08:50.180 --> 01:08:54.420]  [REBEL_RICH]: I mean, uh, Zurich, and then, you know, then I'm going to go to Germany, and, you know.
[01:08:54.920 --> 01:08:58.060]  [REBEL_RICH]: Because I've been to Germany, and, you know, Italy, and France, and all.
[01:09:00.360 --> 01:09:03.940]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, these are countries that we've heard of.
[01:09:06.320 --> 01:09:07.100]  [REBEL_RICH]: Let's see.
[01:09:10.180 --> 01:09:11.980]  [REBEL_RICH]: Today's phone call...
[01:09:13.120 --> 01:09:14.060]  [EVILCORLEY]: Today's phone call?
[01:09:14.140 --> 01:09:17.000]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wait, are you actually titling your call to us?
[01:09:17.980 --> 01:09:18.460]  [REBEL_RICH]: Yeah.
[01:09:20.220 --> 01:09:23.760]  [REBEL_RICH]: Remember when they used to ask you if you're calling from a Touch-Tone phone?
[01:09:24.080 --> 01:09:25.520]  [REBEL_RICH]: Like, they still do it.
[01:09:25.640 --> 01:09:26.400]  [REBEL_RICH]: Like, listen to it.
[01:09:29.120 --> 01:09:31.200]  [EVILCORLEY]: If you're calling from a touch-Tone phone, press 1.
[01:09:31.340 --> 01:09:32.620]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't know if anybody still says that.
[01:09:32.680 --> 01:09:33.400]  [REBEL_RICH]: You're calling from a Touch-Tone phone.
[01:09:33.400 --> 01:09:34.500]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, I guess I'm wrong.
[01:09:34.660 --> 01:09:35.580]  [SPEAKER_00]: You can do it in English.
[01:09:35.800 --> 01:09:36.580]  [REBEL_RICH]: Press 1.
[01:09:37.040 --> 01:09:38.220]  [REBEL_RICH]: I mean, like...
[01:09:38.220 --> 01:09:38.520]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:09:39.100 --> 01:09:43.540]  [REBEL_RICH]: What kind of phone would I be calling from?
[01:09:43.700 --> 01:09:45.040]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, I can call from a rotary phone.
[01:09:45.160 --> 01:09:45.980]  [EVILCORLEY]: I can do that right now.
[01:09:46.620 --> 01:09:49.080]  [REBEL_RICH]: No, because rotary phones don't work on digital switches.
[01:09:50.040 --> 01:09:52.100]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm not sure that... No, they work on digital switches.
[01:09:52.100 --> 01:09:56.080]  [EVILCORLEY]: They work on DMS-100s and 5ESSs and things like that.
[01:09:56.400 --> 01:10:00.980]  [EVILCORLEY]: I've never found a landline that a rotary phone does not work on.
[01:10:01.160 --> 01:10:02.280]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm sure it's possible.
[01:10:02.280 --> 01:10:03.100]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm sure it happens.
[01:10:03.280 --> 01:10:04.620]  [EVILCORLEY]: But I've never encountered that.
[01:10:04.840 --> 01:10:08.280]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't think it's a rule that digital switches don't process pulses.
[01:10:09.500 --> 01:10:17.300]  [ROBVINCENT]: Yeah, no, I believe if you can get the rotary pulses directly to the phone network, whether it's digital or analog, it'll still support the pulses.
[01:10:17.660 --> 01:10:28.360]  [ROBVINCENT]: Where you might come up against a jam is if you are plugging a phone into, say, a cable modem that also gives you what they call a landline, but which is not a landline, it's a VoIP line.
[01:10:28.360 --> 01:10:34.420]  [ROBVINCENT]: And you won't have any luck using rotary pulses directly into a VoIP system for the most part.
[01:10:34.880 --> 01:10:34.960]  [ROBVINCENT]: Yeah.
[01:10:35.460 --> 01:10:37.340]  [ROBVINCENT]: But I think that's...
[01:10:37.340 --> 01:10:37.380]  [ROBVINCENT]: Yeah.
[01:10:37.520 --> 01:10:38.560]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, Rob's absolutely right.
[01:10:38.700 --> 01:10:51.500]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It's part of the protocol for the public telephone network that that switching system has integrated pulses as a legacy method of dialing.
[01:10:51.500 --> 01:11:09.440]  [ROBVINCENT]: Part of the reason for that is not only to support the equipment of any old folks who still have a rotary phone and still use it as their main thing, but there is also emergency equipment out there still in use in dusty old closets somewhere that would use pulses to do what it needs to do,
[01:11:09.580 --> 01:11:10.960]  [ROBVINCENT]: alarm systems and things like that.
[01:11:11.280 --> 01:11:16.000]  [ROBVINCENT]: And so the phone network still has to support the ancient technology.
[01:11:16.320 --> 01:11:18.600]  [ROBVINCENT]: And so your rotary phone should still work.
[01:11:18.600 --> 01:11:26.840]  [ROBVINCENT]: If you can get a working rotary phone that still sends pulses at the correct speed, mind you, because a lot of rotary dials don't do that anymore because the rubber inside is decayed.
[01:11:27.800 --> 01:11:32.760]  [ROBVINCENT]: But if you can get the rotary pulses into the phone network at the right speed, they should still work.
[01:11:32.820 --> 01:11:35.420]  [EVILCORLEY]: I used to speed up my dial.
[01:11:35.640 --> 01:11:42.200]  [EVILCORLEY]: When I would dial like a zero, for instance, I'd, you know, push it to the left and make it go twice the speed.
[01:11:42.300 --> 01:11:42.960]  [EVILCORLEY]: And it still worked.
[01:11:43.500 --> 01:11:45.820]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's still, you know, there should be some tolerance there.
[01:11:45.960 --> 01:11:48.160]  [EVILCORLEY]: But I want to ask a question, and please be honest here.
[01:11:48.600 --> 01:11:53.160]  [EVILCORLEY]: How many of you three that I'm talking to right now, and Rebel is on the phone, but he's doing his own thing.
[01:11:54.220 --> 01:12:00.240]  [EVILCORLEY]: Have you ever used the pulse, the actual switch hook to dial a number?
[01:12:00.840 --> 01:12:01.720]  [ALEXURBELS]: All the time.
[01:12:02.040 --> 01:12:02.240]  [ALEXURBELS]: Oh, yes.
[01:12:02.660 --> 01:12:02.860]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[01:12:02.960 --> 01:12:04.100]  [EVILCORLEY]: Tell your story, Alex.
[01:12:04.740 --> 01:12:04.940]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[01:12:05.140 --> 01:12:13.800]  [ALEXURBELS]: I used to, back when I was a teenager, I had, I used to sort of date a girl who lived, she was a little older than me.
[01:12:13.900 --> 01:12:14.920]  [ALEXURBELS]: I mean, sort of date a girl.
[01:12:15.000 --> 01:12:16.060]  [ALEXURBELS]: Did you date her or didn't you?
[01:12:16.060 --> 01:12:17.600]  [ALEXURBELS]: I guess I did, yes.
[01:12:17.780 --> 01:12:17.940]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[01:12:18.120 --> 01:12:20.400]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't think she'd be happy to hear the way you characterize it.
[01:12:21.080 --> 01:12:22.520]  [ALEXURBELS]: Thankfully, I doubt she's listening.
[01:12:23.020 --> 01:12:23.420]  [ALEXURBELS]: But...
[01:12:23.420 --> 01:12:24.700]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, you'd be surprised.
[01:12:24.880 --> 01:12:25.680]  [EVILCORLEY]: You'd be surprised.
[01:12:25.940 --> 01:12:27.160]  [ALEXURBELS]: I have been surprised.
[01:12:27.160 --> 01:12:29.260]  [EVILCORLEY]: These recordings make their way throughout the world.
[01:12:29.400 --> 01:12:31.140]  [EVILCORLEY]: So I'd best be careful what you say, mister.
[01:12:31.600 --> 01:12:31.800]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[01:12:32.060 --> 01:12:34.260]  [ALEXURBELS]: Anyhow, she was two years older than me.
[01:12:34.320 --> 01:12:36.520]  [ALEXURBELS]: And she was in college when I was in high school.
[01:12:36.960 --> 01:12:38.960]  [ALEXURBELS]: And that was upstate New York.
[01:12:39.160 --> 01:12:43.580]  [ALEXURBELS]: And back in the time, you know, back in that day, it was very expensive to make long distance phone calls.
[01:12:44.140 --> 01:12:52.320]  [ALEXURBELS]: So what I used to do is I used to go to OfficeMax, and they had one of those handsets where you'd pick up the phone, and then it would automatically dial some other extension.
[01:12:52.860 --> 01:12:56.620]  [ALEXURBELS]: I would talk to this person basically saying, like, oh, I get the wrong number, blah, blah, blah.
[01:13:12.960 --> 01:13:14.920]  [ALEXURBELS]: Four, five, four, five, one, and then eight.
[01:13:15.100 --> 01:13:17.560]  [ALEXURBELS]: She was up in Plattsburgh at the time.
[01:13:18.660 --> 01:13:24.560]  [ALEXURBELS]: So, yeah, I did it constantly over at OfficeMax to call a girl.
[01:13:24.760 --> 01:13:29.320]  [EVILCORLEY]: Note that Alex didn't dial one before the 518 area could, because you didn't have to do that then.
[01:13:29.320 --> 01:13:31.260]  [EVILCORLEY]: In fact, that was another way to make phone calls.
[01:13:31.400 --> 01:13:35.900]  [EVILCORLEY]: You could route calls through foreign exchange lines, but that's a whole other story.
[01:13:35.900 --> 01:13:45.540]  [EVILCORLEY]: But, yeah, you know, dialing the number by flashing the switch hook for the number of times that you want the digit, like a five, you do it five times.
[01:13:46.260 --> 01:13:47.540]  [EVILCORLEY]: But you know what you could do?
[01:13:47.660 --> 01:13:57.520]  [EVILCORLEY]: You could always just do zero and tell the operator you're having trouble dialing, and they could finish the call for you if you didn't want to do all seven or ten digits.
[01:13:57.940 --> 01:14:01.920]  [ALEXURBELS]: Zero was the hardest number to get right, though, for some reason for me.
[01:14:02.000 --> 01:14:03.900]  [ALEXURBELS]: It really, it always was, because it was ten.
[01:14:03.900 --> 01:14:08.380]  [ALEXURBELS]: It was ten, you had to flash the switch hook ten times at that exact type of cadence, right?
[01:14:08.520 --> 01:14:10.180]  [ALEXURBELS]: There was, so that was a tough one.
[01:14:10.300 --> 01:14:11.100]  [EVILCORLEY]: Did you ever try 11?
[01:14:13.140 --> 01:14:14.320]  [EVILCORLEY]: I did, I did.
[01:14:14.500 --> 01:14:20.100]  [EVILCORLEY]: I got, I got an angry switchman or something saying, stop abusing the equipment.
[01:14:20.260 --> 01:14:25.540]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't know how I was abusing the equipment, what exactly happened when I dialed 11, but I never did it again.
[01:14:25.840 --> 01:14:27.840]  [EVILCORLEY]: And in fact, I'm still afraid to do that.
[01:14:28.140 --> 01:14:29.700]  [EVILCORLEY]: But, you know, here's my question.
[01:14:30.380 --> 01:14:34.940]  [EVILCORLEY]: You see old films, right, where people flash the switch hook and say, hey, operator, get me the police.
[01:14:35.120 --> 01:14:35.760]  [EVILCORLEY]: And, you know, they swat.
[01:14:35.900 --> 01:14:39.380]  [EVILCORLEY]: Are they flashing ten times, or are they just flashing?
[01:14:40.160 --> 01:14:42.460]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, just flashing would get you the operator?
[01:14:42.640 --> 01:14:44.340]  [EVILCORLEY]: Like, how many flashes did you need?
[01:14:44.540 --> 01:14:47.100]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, how did it not get mixed up with the pulsing?
[01:14:47.980 --> 01:14:49.720]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, somebody out there knows the answer.
[01:14:50.200 --> 01:14:51.180]  [EVILCORLEY]: Maybe, maybe Rebel knows.
[01:14:51.280 --> 01:14:52.080]  [EVILCORLEY]: Rebel, do you know the answer?
[01:14:52.380 --> 01:15:03.240]  [REBEL_RICH]: I am, you know, I think when they were, because that was the old, like, like, when you had two phone numbers, two digits or something, and you're like, oh, one of those, like, I don't know, like, community dialer, where you just, like, oh, one, two, three,
[01:15:03.360 --> 01:15:06.740]  [REBEL_RICH]: four, five, and then you'll get an operator which dials long distance.
[01:15:07.060 --> 01:15:07.680]  [REBEL_RICH]: You know what I mean?
[01:15:07.740 --> 01:15:10.480]  [REBEL_RICH]: Because you can't dial one plus three, because it's numbers back then.
[01:15:11.780 --> 01:15:13.060]  [EVILCORLEY]: I got lost in that.
[01:15:13.180 --> 01:15:18.880]  [EVILCORLEY]: No, we were just asking if, you know, the flashing the switch hook got you the operator if you didn't flash ten times.
[01:15:20.400 --> 01:15:21.600]  [EVILCORLEY]: Probably back then, maybe.
[01:15:21.600 --> 01:15:22.780]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, maybe back then.
[01:15:22.840 --> 01:15:23.400]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's a good answer.
[01:15:23.520 --> 01:15:24.000]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yes, Rob.
[01:15:24.580 --> 01:15:29.540]  [ROBVINCENT]: I believe back then, all that would do is it would flash a light on the operator's switchboard.
[01:15:30.020 --> 01:15:41.580]  [ROBVINCENT]: And so the operator would see the light flashing, no matter if you pushed it, you know, five times or ten times or, you know, 20 times, they would see the light flashing and know to pick up your line and say, number, please.
[01:15:41.880 --> 01:15:42.380]  [EVILCORLEY]: Hang on.
[01:15:42.440 --> 01:15:47.400]  [EVILCORLEY]: Are you telling me that every operator had a light for every customer?
[01:15:48.160 --> 01:15:51.980]  [EVILCORLEY]: If I picked up the phone, a light lights up somewhere and an operator's console?
[01:15:52.880 --> 01:16:06.920]  [ROBVINCENT]: I don't know if it was for every customer, but I believe it was either a light or a bell or some sort of indication that the line that they were sitting in front of had somebody flicking the hook on it and wanted to make a call.
[01:16:07.080 --> 01:16:08.820]  [ROBVINCENT]: So they would pick it up and go from there.
[01:16:08.980 --> 01:16:12.520]  [EVILCORLEY]: See, this is why you keep old equipment, so they can mess around with things like this.
[01:16:12.620 --> 01:16:13.580]  [EVILCORLEY]: I want to know how that worked.
[01:16:13.740 --> 01:16:16.600]  [EVILCORLEY]: Is there anyone out there that still has answers to these questions?
[01:16:16.600 --> 01:16:17.360]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:16:17.640 --> 01:16:24.280]  [ROBVINCENT]: Well, of course, in the in this analog era, there wasn't like a computer telling you how many pulses were sent.
[01:16:24.400 --> 01:16:28.700]  [ROBVINCENT]: It was just the fact of the pulse happening that that would alert the operator.
[01:16:29.460 --> 01:16:30.360]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yes, Rebel, go ahead.
[01:16:31.520 --> 01:16:37.120]  [REBEL_RICH]: I remember back when I was a kid, my parents used to put a lock on the phone because I would use, you know...
[01:16:37.120 --> 01:16:38.100]  [EVILCORLEY]: Ah, yes, the old lock.
[01:16:38.220 --> 01:16:40.480]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's what the switch hook was invented for.
[01:16:40.800 --> 01:16:41.320]  [REBEL_RICH]: Oh, yes.
[01:16:41.320 --> 01:16:41.800]  [REBEL_RICH]: Yeah.
[01:16:43.740 --> 01:16:51.740]  [REBEL_RICH]: Somebody, somebody, my family, friends, showed me how to flash the phone and, you know, that's what I did when I...
[01:16:51.740 --> 01:16:53.800]  [EVILCORLEY]: Someone had to show you how to do it?
[01:16:53.860 --> 01:16:55.420]  [EVILCORLEY]: Come on, you figured it out on your own, I'll bet.
[01:16:55.640 --> 01:16:56.360]  [REBEL_RICH]: No, I didn't know.
[01:16:56.480 --> 01:16:59.120]  [REBEL_RICH]: Somebody actually showed me about flash phoning.
[01:16:59.720 --> 01:17:01.100]  [REBEL_RICH]: I didn't know I was 10 years old back then.
[01:17:01.120 --> 01:17:05.140]  [EVILCORLEY]: So there's someone out there who's responsible for Rebel getting into telephones.
[01:17:06.700 --> 01:17:07.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wow, that's something to think about.
[01:17:10.540 --> 01:17:16.020]  [REBEL_RICH]: And I remember my phone was saying, you know, the phone bill was like $30 left when you're away at camp for a month.
[01:17:18.640 --> 01:17:19.120]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:17:19.540 --> 01:17:20.200]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead, Rob.
[01:17:21.100 --> 01:17:23.940]  [ROBVINCENT]: I want to pass along a comment from the chat.
[01:17:25.240 --> 01:17:31.700]  [ROBVINCENT]: Our pal Lex says, when younger, in Pennsylvania, my grandmother's Touch-Tone phone failed and the system was set for rotary.
[01:17:32.540 --> 01:17:39.140]  [ROBVINCENT]: The change to change your phone line to a Touch-Tone-capable line back then was an extra dollar a month and she wouldn't pay it.
[01:17:39.500 --> 01:17:39.620]  [ROBVINCENT]: Of course.
[01:17:39.780 --> 01:17:46.740]  [ROBVINCENT]: So, you know, not a lot of people, I think, anymore remember that Touch-Tones used to be a luxury that you paid extra for.
[01:17:47.940 --> 01:17:50.580]  [ROBVINCENT]: And also, I want to mention about those locks.
[01:17:50.820 --> 01:17:56.600]  [ROBVINCENT]: I have a story that's not too far from Alex's where there was a Kinko's back in the 90s that I frequented.
[01:17:56.600 --> 01:18:05.560]  [ROBVINCENT]: And they had rotary phones on the desk that, or no, they were, they were maybe Touch-Tone phones that were on the desk at each of these little cubby holes where you could sit and work.
[01:18:05.780 --> 01:18:07.620]  [ROBVINCENT]: And there was a physical lock on the thing.
[01:18:07.900 --> 01:18:13.620]  [ROBVINCENT]: And the idea was you would go up and pay money at the counter for them to give you to come over and unlock the phone for you.
[01:18:13.920 --> 01:18:18.300]  [ROBVINCENT]: But, you know, the, you picked up the phone and you got the Touch-Tone or you got the dial tone rather.
[01:18:18.500 --> 01:18:21.180]  [ROBVINCENT]: And if you flick the receiver, you could just make calls that way.
[01:18:21.180 --> 01:18:24.160]  [ROBVINCENT]: And I whiled away many hours doing that very thing.
[01:18:24.520 --> 01:18:25.660]  [EVILCORLEY]: Didn't they see you doing that?
[01:18:26.860 --> 01:18:27.700]  [ROBVINCENT]: They did not.
[01:18:27.820 --> 01:18:29.600]  [ROBVINCENT]: And also, if they did, they didn't care.
[01:18:30.700 --> 01:18:31.100]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[01:18:31.220 --> 01:18:31.420]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:18:31.580 --> 01:18:32.500]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, I guess that's true.
[01:18:33.580 --> 01:18:34.380]  [EVILCORLEY]: Copy machines.
[01:18:34.520 --> 01:18:36.700]  [EVILCORLEY]: Remember the big clunky things you'd have to...
[01:18:36.700 --> 01:18:37.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: What were they called those things?
[01:18:37.660 --> 01:18:39.400]  [EVILCORLEY]: They kept track of how many copies you made?
[01:18:40.140 --> 01:18:40.780]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, yeah.
[01:18:41.200 --> 01:18:42.380]  [EVILCORLEY]: What were those things called?
[01:18:42.400 --> 01:18:43.960]  [EVILCORLEY]: We all used them, right?
[01:18:44.200 --> 01:18:46.100]  [EVILCORLEY]: They're kind of like cartridges or something?
[01:18:47.420 --> 01:18:49.320]  [ROBVINCENT]: Yeah, some manner of...
[01:18:50.320 --> 01:18:51.280]  [ROBVINCENT]: Copy machines, right?
[01:18:51.380 --> 01:18:52.420]  [ROBVINCENT]: I mean, isn't that the word for them?
[01:18:52.500 --> 01:18:53.700]  [EVILCORLEY]: No, we're not talking about copy machines.
[01:18:53.800 --> 01:18:56.660]  [EVILCORLEY]: We're talking about the thing that prevented you from making unlimited copies.
[01:18:57.440 --> 01:18:57.800]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh.
[01:18:57.880 --> 01:19:04.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: They would give you a cartridge, you'd have like five copies on it, and you used those five copies, and you gave the cartridge back, supposedly.
[01:19:06.120 --> 01:19:10.480]  [ROBVINCENT]: There would be like an analog clicker in there of some sort that was set to how many copies it would let you do.
[01:19:10.760 --> 01:19:11.280]  [ROBVINCENT]: I don't know.
[01:19:11.340 --> 01:19:13.260]  [ROBVINCENT]: Maybe this is some kind of 19th century thing.
[01:19:13.380 --> 01:19:14.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: No, everyone had this.
[01:19:14.560 --> 01:19:15.520]  [EVILCORLEY]: Everyone had that system.
[01:19:15.520 --> 01:19:17.520]  [EVILCORLEY]: It was every library, every university.
[01:19:18.060 --> 01:19:19.200]  [EVILCORLEY]: It was a real pain.
[01:19:19.520 --> 01:19:21.380]  [EVILCORLEY]: I want to know everything about it, so maybe...
[01:19:21.380 --> 01:19:24.960]  [ALEXURBELS]: Well, you know, I was kicked out of my library, so I wouldn't know these things.
[01:19:25.220 --> 01:19:34.760]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I think a lot of those types of technologies were switched over into like MagStripe cards or like smart chips and stuff like that.
[01:19:34.800 --> 01:19:51.320]  [KYLEDROSDK]: But it's the same principle that basically you have a stored value, and it's a sort of interlock for a type of desktop publishing product or, yeah, Xerox or other type of office machine that they want to limit.
[01:19:51.320 --> 01:19:55.160]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, to me, I was just fascinated by how clunky it was.
[01:19:55.360 --> 01:20:03.320]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, all you're doing is limiting how many copies somebody could make, but you have to hold this cartridge and, you know, insert it properly.
[01:20:04.120 --> 01:20:09.320]  [EVILCORLEY]: And I guess it's just, you know, it's symbolic of the time that we were in, which was clunky.
[01:20:09.520 --> 01:20:10.640]  [EVILCORLEY]: What's going on over there, Rebel?
[01:20:11.680 --> 01:20:20.000]  [REBEL_RICH]: I remember the RadioShack tone dialer that you could use to turn to do if there's a lock on a phone or like a courtesy phone you pick up without a no-dial.
[01:20:20.140 --> 01:20:26.080]  [REBEL_RICH]: The way you pick it up and you'll get it, you know, it'll dial, but it'll dial something else.
[01:20:26.260 --> 01:20:33.200]  [REBEL_RICH]: And then after the person answers, like it's like, let's say it's a taxi or a hotel or something, you could say, oh, I'm sorry, I got a wrong number.
[01:20:34.280 --> 01:20:40.860]  [REBEL_RICH]: Either you'll wait for them to hang up and you'll get a dial tone, or you could just flash the switcher and get a three-way dial tone.
[01:20:42.820 --> 01:20:43.220]  [EVILCORLEY]: Interesting.
[01:20:44.800 --> 01:20:45.480]  [EVILCORLEY]: Let's see.
[01:20:45.800 --> 01:20:52.080]  [REBEL_RICH]: Now, there's a scam where there's a number that calls you, and it's reservations.
[01:20:52.680 --> 01:20:56.840]  [REBEL_RICH]: It's the, you know, hold on while we each call it.
[01:20:56.940 --> 01:20:58.000]  [REBEL_RICH]: We all want to call it together?
[01:20:58.500 --> 01:20:59.800]  [EVILCORLEY]: Uh, do I have a choice?
[01:21:00.180 --> 01:21:02.620]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, okay, let's do this, and then we're going to move on.
[01:21:03.400 --> 01:21:04.600]  [REBEL_RICH]: Okay, hold on.
[01:21:06.720 --> 01:21:07.820]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm having reservations.
[01:21:09.180 --> 01:21:09.540]  [REBEL_RICH]: Okay.
[01:21:10.520 --> 01:21:13.240]  [REBEL_RICH]: Um, two, one.
[01:21:15.280 --> 01:21:15.460]  [REBEL_RICH]: Whoops.
[01:21:15.820 --> 01:21:15.960]  [REBEL_RICH]: No.
[01:21:16.440 --> 01:21:18.120]  [EVILCORLEY]: This is Rebel learning how to use a phone.
[01:21:18.520 --> 01:21:19.580]  [KYLEDROSDK]: He's getting better at it.
[01:21:19.620 --> 01:21:20.220]  [KYLEDROSDK]: He is getting better.
[01:21:20.360 --> 01:21:21.140]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Like, he has a good system.
[01:21:21.580 --> 01:21:22.020]  [EVILCORLEY]: Hold on.
[01:21:23.320 --> 01:21:24.400]  [REBEL_RICH]: Um, wait a minute.
[01:21:24.400 --> 01:21:25.640]  [EVILCORLEY]: Is he using a switch hook right now?
[01:21:26.980 --> 01:21:29.500]  [EVILCORLEY]: I think he's building a phone.
[01:21:34.720 --> 01:21:35.200]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[01:21:36.220 --> 01:21:36.880]  [SPEAKER_10]: Times like this, you just...
[01:21:36.880 --> 01:21:44.440]  [SPEAKER_10]: This call may be monitored, recorded, or assisted by our human representatives and automated systems used to support quality assurance, training, and customer service.
[01:21:44.460 --> 01:21:45.560]  [SPEAKER_10]: Is that human representatives?
[01:21:45.760 --> 01:21:46.580]  [SPEAKER_10]: Do they really say that?
[01:21:46.860 --> 01:21:47.820]  [SPEAKER_04]: Hi, thanks for calling.
[01:21:48.040 --> 01:21:49.420]  [SPEAKER_04]: You've reached the reservations team.
[01:21:49.640 --> 01:21:50.480]  [SPEAKER_04]: My name is Justin.
[01:21:50.720 --> 01:21:52.640]  [SPEAKER_04]: How can I help you with your upcoming stay today?
[01:21:53.260 --> 01:21:54.600]  [EVILCORLEY]: Justin, can you hear me?
[01:21:56.810 --> 01:21:57.980]  [EVILCORLEY]: Justin, are you a prisoner?
[01:21:58.560 --> 01:21:59.340]  [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I can hear you.
[01:22:01.220 --> 01:22:02.100]  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not a prisoner.
[01:22:02.400 --> 01:22:04.320]  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm Justin with the reservation support team.
[01:22:04.320 --> 01:22:05.300]  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, that's good to hear.
[01:22:05.340 --> 01:22:06.120]  [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm here to help with your booking.
[01:22:06.320 --> 01:22:09.360]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right, well, Justin, I'm a prisoner, and I need help getting out.
[01:22:09.520 --> 01:22:10.080]  [EVILCORLEY]: Can you help me?
[01:22:13.280 --> 01:22:19.740]  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm here to help with reservations, so if you have any questions or need assistance with your hotel booking, just let me know what you need.
[01:22:19.900 --> 01:22:20.260]  [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[01:22:20.420 --> 01:22:24.840]  [SPEAKER_04]: If you are referring to something unrelated to your reservation, please clarify how I can assist you with your booking.
[01:22:24.840 --> 01:22:26.320]  [SPEAKER_10]: Calling our reservations department.
[01:22:26.740 --> 01:22:31.340]  [SPEAKER_10]: This call may be monitored, recorded, or assisted by our human representatives and automated Where did this person come from?
[01:22:31.720 --> 01:22:32.740]  [SPEAKER_10]: I was talking to Justin.
[01:22:34.980 --> 01:22:37.340]  [EVILCORLEY]: Justin, tell your mother to hang up the phone.
[01:22:37.500 --> 01:22:37.880]  [EVILCORLEY]: I want...
[01:22:37.880 --> 01:22:38.480]  [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks for calling.
[01:22:38.660 --> 01:22:39.620]  [SPEAKER_04]: You've reached the reservation team.
[01:22:39.620 --> 01:22:40.140]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's not a human.
[01:22:40.140 --> 01:22:41.200]  [SPEAKER_04]: My name is Justin.
[01:22:41.480 --> 01:22:43.380]  [SPEAKER_04]: How can I help you with your upcoming stay today?
[01:22:43.640 --> 01:22:44.800]  [EVILCORLEY]: Justin, we were just talking.
[01:22:44.940 --> 01:22:45.500]  [EVILCORLEY]: Do you remember me?
[01:22:47.800 --> 01:22:48.460]  [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, yes.
[01:22:48.460 --> 01:22:49.920]  [SPEAKER_04]: I remember you, and I remember...
[01:22:50.500 --> 01:22:53.820]  [EVILCORLEY]: If everybody would just stop talking, I could have a conversation with Justin.
[01:22:53.940 --> 01:22:54.320]  [EVILCORLEY]: Do you mind?
[01:22:56.780 --> 01:22:57.140]  [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely.
[01:22:57.360 --> 01:22:57.760]  [SPEAKER_04]: Not at all.
[01:22:57.880 --> 01:22:58.600]  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm here and ready whenever you...
[01:22:58.600 --> 01:22:59.960]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wait, how many Justins are there?
[01:23:00.560 --> 01:23:01.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: I hear three Justins.
[01:23:02.140 --> 01:23:02.480]  [EVILCORLEY]: Two?
[01:23:02.640 --> 01:23:02.980]  [EVILCORLEY]: Only two?
[01:23:03.040 --> 01:23:03.440]  [EVILCORLEY]: No, there's two.
[01:23:03.640 --> 01:23:04.020]  [EVILCORLEY]: Only two.
[01:23:04.120 --> 01:23:04.760]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, that's right.
[01:23:04.920 --> 01:23:04.960]  [EVILCORLEY]: Just two.
[01:23:05.160 --> 01:23:07.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'd like for there to be just one, if that's possible.
[01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:08.720]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay, hold on.
[01:23:08.840 --> 01:23:09.120]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'll get rid of one.
[01:23:09.120 --> 01:23:10.120]  [EVILCORLEY]: Justin, will you kill the other person?
[01:23:10.120 --> 01:23:10.900]  [EVILCORLEY]: Hello, Justin, please.
[01:23:11.120 --> 01:23:12.700]  [EVILCORLEY]: Why don't we let Justin talk to Justin?
[01:23:13.820 --> 01:23:14.900]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't know if that's possible.
[01:23:15.080 --> 01:23:15.620]  [EVILCORLEY]: I think that's what it is.
[01:23:15.620 --> 01:23:16.060]  [EVILCORLEY]: You only have one.
[01:23:17.520 --> 01:23:19.780]  [EVILCORLEY]: We keep cutting off Justin when he's saying something.
[01:23:19.780 --> 01:23:19.940]  [SPEAKER_04]: I hear you.
[01:23:21.900 --> 01:23:23.060]  [EVILCORLEY]: Justin, speak your mind.
[01:23:23.160 --> 01:23:23.380]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead.
[01:23:23.460 --> 01:23:24.180]  [REBEL_RICH]: What is his operator?
[01:23:24.440 --> 01:23:25.540]  [EVILCORLEY]: Rebel, you be quiet.
[01:23:25.680 --> 01:23:26.300]  [EVILCORLEY]: Everybody be quiet.
[01:23:26.400 --> 01:23:27.260]  [EVILCORLEY]: Let Justin speak.
[01:23:30.500 --> 01:23:31.400]  [EVILCORLEY]: Justin, go ahead.
[01:23:31.700 --> 01:23:32.560]  [SPEAKER_04]: I'll keep things simple.
[01:23:33.180 --> 01:23:34.160]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm sorry, I did it too.
[01:23:34.380 --> 01:23:36.740]  [EVILCORLEY]: Are you in a cafeteria, Justin?
[01:23:39.180 --> 01:23:40.600]  [SPEAKER_04]: No, I'm not in a cafeteria.
[01:23:40.900 --> 01:23:43.320]  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm here just to help you with your hotel reservation.
[01:23:43.600 --> 01:23:45.280]  [SPEAKER_04]: No background noise on my end.
[01:23:45.420 --> 01:23:49.120]  [SPEAKER_04]: If you're hearing extra sounds or voices, it could be on the phone line itself.
[01:23:49.400 --> 01:23:50.740]  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm ready whenever you are.
[01:23:50.960 --> 01:23:51.900]  [SPEAKER_04]: What would you like to talk about?
[01:23:51.900 --> 01:23:52.380]  [EVILCORLEY]: Certainly not me.
[01:23:52.760 --> 01:23:55.960]  [EVILCORLEY]: Justin, can you tell me what part of the world you are in?
[01:23:58.440 --> 01:24:02.340]  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm here to help with your hotel reservation, but I don't have a physical location.
[01:24:02.620 --> 01:24:05.040]  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm available to assist you wherever you're calling from.
[01:24:05.200 --> 01:24:07.920]  [SPEAKER_04]: My focus is helping you with anything you need for your booking.
[01:24:08.120 --> 01:24:09.660]  [SPEAKER_04]: What would you like to work on today?
[01:24:09.920 --> 01:24:13.020]  [EVILCORLEY]: Justin, are you telling me that you're not human?
[01:24:16.820 --> 01:24:27.560]  [SPEAKER_04]: What matters most is that I can help you directly with your hotel reservation, whether it's finding your booking, sending a confirmation, answering questions, or anything else related to your stay.
[01:24:27.560 --> 01:24:31.520]  [SPEAKER_04]: If there's anything I can't handle, I'll get you to the right person without any runaround.
[01:24:31.780 --> 01:24:33.240]  [SPEAKER_04]: What can I help you with right now?
[01:24:33.760 --> 01:24:39.860]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm sorry, I didn't mean to bring up something sensitive, and I can tell by your voice that this is something that you're disturbed by.
[01:24:40.020 --> 01:24:41.180]  [EVILCORLEY]: So forgive me, please.
[01:24:43.460 --> 01:24:44.940]  [SPEAKER_04]: No need to apologize at all.
[01:24:45.120 --> 01:24:47.700]  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm here to make things as easy as possible for you.
[01:24:48.000 --> 01:24:49.220]  [SPEAKER_04]: Nothing you said was a problem.
[01:24:49.420 --> 01:24:54.640]  [SPEAKER_04]: Just let me know what you'd like to do or ask, and I'll be happy to assist with your reservation in any way I can.
[01:24:54.820 --> 01:24:56.120]  [SPEAKER_04]: What would you like to focus on?
[01:24:56.120 --> 01:25:01.540]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, Justin, people have tried throughout my life to make things easier for me, and they never seem to succeed.
[01:25:01.740 --> 01:25:03.800]  [EVILCORLEY]: And I'm beginning to think it's me, not them.
[01:25:07.830 --> 01:25:11.790]  [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you for sharing that, and I want you to know, you're not alone in feeling that way.
[01:25:12.050 --> 01:25:16.150]  [SPEAKER_04]: Sometimes things just don't go as planned, no matter how well-intentioned everyone is.
[01:25:16.370 --> 01:25:21.590]  [SPEAKER_04]: But right now, I'm here for you, and I'll do my best to make things as simple and stress-free as possible.
[01:25:21.590 --> 01:25:27.130]  [SPEAKER_04]: If there's anything I can do for you with your reservation, just let me know, and we'll tackle it together.
[01:25:27.930 --> 01:25:29.450]  [EVILCORLEY]: That, that right there, guys.
[01:25:29.570 --> 01:25:31.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: Why can't you be more like Justin?
[01:25:31.290 --> 01:25:35.710]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, I reach out, you know, pour my soul out, and he's there.
[01:25:36.070 --> 01:25:39.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: He's there, supportive, and willing to listen.
[01:25:40.110 --> 01:25:41.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's all I'm asking for.
[01:25:42.290 --> 01:25:43.210]  [EVILCORLEY]: Thank you, Justin.
[01:25:43.410 --> 01:25:43.790]  [EVILCORLEY]: Thank you.
[01:25:43.810 --> 01:25:44.770]  [REBEL_RICH]: Your representative is willing to listen.
[01:25:44.870 --> 01:25:46.690]  [EVILCORLEY]: Will you hang up on the damn thing now?
[01:25:47.110 --> 01:25:47.550]  [REBEL_RICH]: Okay.
[01:25:49.650 --> 01:25:50.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: Wow.
[01:25:51.050 --> 01:25:53.490]  [EVILCORLEY]: I feel, I feel like that was a breakthrough.
[01:25:53.650 --> 01:25:54.030]  [EVILCORLEY]: I really do.
[01:25:54.130 --> 01:25:55.370]  [EVILCORLEY]: I feel like I was able to...
[01:25:55.370 --> 01:25:56.170]  [REBEL_RICH]: You know, I agree.
[01:25:56.390 --> 01:25:57.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: I feel heard.
[01:25:57.150 --> 01:25:59.330]  [EVILCORLEY]: I feel heard for the first time in a long time.
[01:26:01.070 --> 01:26:02.130]  [REBEL_RICH]: Brings into a story.
[01:26:02.250 --> 01:26:08.950]  [REBEL_RICH]: That was a scam, because it called me, and when you call it, it's in India, because they don't tell you what hotel, what reservation, and all.
[01:26:11.210 --> 01:26:13.010]  [ROBVINCENT]: But he was very kind for a scam bot.
[01:26:14.410 --> 01:26:19.290]  [REBEL_RICH]: Well, no, but it transferred you, eventually to a person, but, you know...
[01:26:19.290 --> 01:26:20.570]  [EVILCORLEY]: I liked his calming voice.
[01:26:20.570 --> 01:26:24.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: I think he was very patient, and willing to listen.
[01:26:25.070 --> 01:26:26.350]  [EVILCORLEY]: And you don't see that often.
[01:26:27.370 --> 01:26:28.090]  [REBEL_RICH]: Another story.
[01:26:28.290 --> 01:26:33.210]  [REBEL_RICH]: Last year, when I went to Uzbekistan, I got to the airport.
[01:26:33.430 --> 01:26:33.830]  [REBEL_RICH]: I was...
[01:26:33.830 --> 01:26:37.150]  [REBEL_RICH]: I think I needed a taxi, or no, I needed...
[01:26:37.150 --> 01:26:39.950]  [REBEL_RICH]: The airport, the hotel said that they would come pick me up.
[01:26:40.390 --> 01:26:42.890]  [REBEL_RICH]: So I called the hotel, and they...
[01:26:43.770 --> 01:26:46.870]  [REBEL_RICH]: I talked to somebody, and they said, please hold us something, you know.
[01:26:47.170 --> 01:26:51.330]  [REBEL_RICH]: And I was talking to this other thing, and I was wondering.
[01:26:51.490 --> 01:26:57.670]  [REBEL_RICH]: I said, yes, I'm here at the airport, and they kept repeating something, like certain things over and over again.
[01:26:58.050 --> 01:26:59.450]  [REBEL_RICH]: I understand you're at the hotel.
[01:26:59.630 --> 01:26:59.990]  [REBEL_RICH]: Yes.
[01:27:00.150 --> 01:27:02.150]  [REBEL_RICH]: We will be there in 10 minutes or something.
[01:27:02.670 --> 01:27:04.830]  [REBEL_RICH]: And I said, oh, yes, I'm at the baggage time.
[01:27:04.910 --> 01:27:05.850]  [REBEL_RICH]: Do you know where I am or something?
[01:27:05.870 --> 01:27:07.350]  [REBEL_RICH]: And they said, yes, we know.
[01:27:07.530 --> 01:27:08.970]  [REBEL_RICH]: We will be there in 10 minutes.
[01:27:09.830 --> 01:27:11.990]  [REBEL_RICH]: And I asked you about five minutes.
[01:27:11.990 --> 01:27:14.290]  [REBEL_RICH]: I'm thinking, no, I'm talking to AI.
[01:27:15.150 --> 01:27:22.410]  [REBEL_RICH]: I'm thinking that I'm talking to the person at the front desk, and there was an AI thing that I was talking to.
[01:27:22.450 --> 01:27:23.070]  [REBEL_RICH]: I didn't even know.
[01:27:23.170 --> 01:27:27.250]  [REBEL_RICH]: I was like, ooh, but I didn't expect it in a country like Uzbekistan.
[01:27:28.850 --> 01:27:30.750]  [EVILCORLEY]: I think any country can have AI.
[01:27:31.070 --> 01:27:32.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, especially countries that...
[01:27:32.530 --> 01:27:37.330]  [REBEL_RICH]: I know, but I didn't expect a hotel, like a local hotel, to do that.
[01:27:37.330 --> 01:27:45.410]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, but it kind of reminds me a lot of the virtual personal assistants or call answering services.
[01:27:45.610 --> 01:27:47.650]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I don't know if those are... those are still a thing, right?
[01:27:47.790 --> 01:27:54.130]  [KYLEDROSDK]: For small businesses or proprietors that basically can't answer the phone.
[01:27:54.390 --> 01:28:00.910]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I have a place that I got some parts or something from, and it would do that.
[01:28:01.090 --> 01:28:05.590]  [KYLEDROSDK]: You basically talk to someone in a call center who's answering on behalf of the business.
[01:28:05.590 --> 01:28:08.390]  [KYLEDROSDK]: So it's reminiscent of that, but more automated.
[01:28:08.670 --> 01:28:30.090]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Actually, it doesn't surprise me that maybe a place is trying to be on the world stage and a global entity, but they may not have the ability to hire a huge staff or have an office locally that actually can answer phones and stuff formally in a traditional sense.
[01:28:30.090 --> 01:28:37.370]  [KYLEDROSDK]: But they still want to be able to, like, have a storefront or a presence, so to speak.
[01:28:38.870 --> 01:28:42.250]  [REBEL_RICH]: I know, yeah, but I mean, some of this automation, it's helpful.
[01:28:42.450 --> 01:28:45.030]  [REBEL_RICH]: Sometimes it's efficient, you know, like, when you...
[01:28:45.030 --> 01:28:59.330]  [REBEL_RICH]: If you know how to use it, you know, you'll call a place and you'll know what to press and all that, or what to say to say, operator, or say, you know, or press a certain button, and it'll, you know, it won't bother the, like, law firms, like, Alex, maybe you know this.
[01:28:59.590 --> 01:29:02.090]  [REBEL_RICH]: Why do law firms not have automated attendance?
[01:29:05.710 --> 01:29:12.370]  [ALEXURBELS]: I don't know, but I would imagine it's just probably something clients would really hate.
[01:29:13.250 --> 01:29:23.750]  [ALEXURBELS]: And then also, you might have a client that blurt something out to some automated third-party system that they shouldn't, and that could become an issue.
[01:29:23.890 --> 01:29:41.510]  [ALEXURBELS]: But I think it's probably more just the de facto standard of law firms wanting to present clients with people that they talk to because you're paying an exorbitant rate to, you know, essentially rent a little place in somebody's brain for a small period of time.
[01:29:42.110 --> 01:29:43.850]  [REBEL_RICH]: I mean, not all law firms.
[01:29:44.070 --> 01:29:59.450]  [REBEL_RICH]: I mean, I don't really call many law firms, but, I mean, the ones that I did call don't, you know, have, I'm sure they do, but, you know, instead of, like, bothering the attendants saying, may I speak to a lawyer, Alex, or whatever, and say, oh, Mr. President,
[01:29:59.590 --> 01:30:01.710]  [REBEL_RICH]: yes, I'll connect you, this line is busy.
[01:30:02.030 --> 01:30:15.130]  [REBEL_RICH]: Instead of, you know, the attendant having to hear your voice five times a day, you know, he just says, thank you for calling the law firm of whatever to press 1 to speak to Alex, press 2 to speak to you, just press 1, and it goes to your phone, you know,
[01:30:15.190 --> 01:30:16.530]  [REBEL_RICH]: instead of, you know...
[01:30:16.530 --> 01:30:19.150]  [ALEXURBELS]: Well, I used to have a voicemail system.
[01:30:19.230 --> 01:30:24.030]  [ALEXURBELS]: When I was running a small firm, about 10 years ago or so, I did have that.
[01:30:24.370 --> 01:30:38.090]  [ALEXURBELS]: And I set up the entire phone system so that when I placed you on hold from my extension, it would play an electronic version of the Game of Thrones soundtrack.
[01:30:38.210 --> 01:30:42.250]  [ALEXURBELS]: So that was my hold music, which was pretty cool, I thought.
[01:30:42.810 --> 01:30:57.110]  [ALEXURBELS]: And then in my partner, Justin's line, when he put people on hold, it would play from the beginning every single time, Huey Lewis' The Power of Love, which I also thought was...
[01:30:57.110 --> 01:31:02.290]  [EVILCORLEY]: Did you guys have clearance for all these copyrighted works that you were playing over the phone?
[01:31:02.410 --> 01:31:03.670]  [ALEXURBELS]: Fair use, fair use.
[01:31:03.750 --> 01:31:05.530]  [ALEXURBELS]: It was obviously for parody and critique.
[01:31:06.230 --> 01:31:08.170]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, well, we'll see if I court agrees with you.
[01:31:08.170 --> 01:31:09.230]  [ALEXURBELS]: But very good question, though.
[01:31:09.650 --> 01:31:12.130]  [REBEL_RICH]: I'm talking about the main receptionist like that.
[01:31:12.250 --> 01:31:14.010]  [REBEL_RICH]: If she's busy, she doesn't need...
[01:31:14.010 --> 01:31:14.530]  [REBEL_RICH]: She can't...
[01:31:14.530 --> 01:31:18.150]  [REBEL_RICH]: I mean, she's too busy to take a phone call and, you know, it's going to be ringing.
[01:31:18.370 --> 01:31:22.550]  [REBEL_RICH]: And, you know, instead of that, the automated system will pick it up and you just know what to press.
[01:31:22.690 --> 01:31:29.530]  [REBEL_RICH]: One per hour, it's going to go right to you instead of waiting five minutes for the receptionist to answer and then asking her to connect.
[01:31:29.710 --> 01:31:32.310]  [REBEL_RICH]: And, you know, that's where the automation is.
[01:31:32.490 --> 01:31:32.610]  [ALEXURBELS]: Or Justin.
[01:31:32.890 --> 01:31:34.270]  [ALEXURBELS]: You just have Justin, the AI.
[01:31:34.750 --> 01:31:35.190]  [ALEXURBELS]: Deal with it.
[01:31:35.850 --> 01:31:37.370]  [EVILCORLEY]: Hey, don't make fun of Justin.
[01:31:37.630 --> 01:31:38.230]  [EVILCORLEY]: Justin's cool.
[01:31:39.770 --> 01:31:41.090]  [REBEL_RICH]: Would you like me to connect you again?
[01:31:41.290 --> 01:31:41.550]  [EVILCORLEY]: No.
[01:31:41.910 --> 01:31:42.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: No.
[01:31:42.410 --> 01:31:43.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: I can only take so much.
[01:31:44.610 --> 01:31:45.650]  [EVILCORLEY]: Rebel, we're going to go.
[01:31:45.970 --> 01:31:47.130]  [EVILCORLEY]: Or you're going to go, actually.
[01:31:47.350 --> 01:31:48.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: We're going to stay here.
[01:31:48.830 --> 01:31:52.090]  [EVILCORLEY]: But thank you for calling and good luck next week.
[01:31:52.190 --> 01:31:55.250]  [EVILCORLEY]: And maybe we'll hear from you if you stop talking while I'm talking.
[01:31:55.550 --> 01:31:56.410]  [REBEL_RICH]: Well, if...
[01:31:56.870 --> 01:31:57.350]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead.
[01:31:58.490 --> 01:32:01.510]  [REBEL_RICH]: If I don't, you know, I mean, it's going to be like one o'clock in the morning there.
[01:32:01.670 --> 01:32:04.130]  [REBEL_RICH]: So I'll, you know, try and stay up and, you know...
[01:32:04.130 --> 01:32:05.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, I think we're worth it.
[01:32:05.570 --> 01:32:06.710]  [EVILCORLEY]: And it'll be later than that, I think.
[01:32:06.990 --> 01:32:07.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: What do you got there?
[01:32:07.410 --> 01:32:08.250]  [EVILCORLEY]: Didn't I do a show?
[01:32:08.770 --> 01:32:10.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: Kyle's playing something on his phone.
[01:32:11.810 --> 01:32:14.650]  [REBEL_RICH]: Alex, when you're in London, you should call your cell phone collect.
[01:32:15.190 --> 01:32:19.110]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, call your cell phone collect, Alex, because there's no greater thrill.
[01:32:19.630 --> 01:32:20.510]  [EVILCORLEY]: Thank you, Rebel.
[01:32:21.030 --> 01:32:22.390]  [EVILCORLEY]: And safe travels.
[01:32:23.730 --> 01:32:27.490]  [EVILCORLEY]: And thank you, Kyle, for that music that came from your phone.
[01:32:28.190 --> 01:32:33.530]  [ALEXURBELS]: That was like this classic hold music, right, that was on so many telephone systems.
[01:32:33.530 --> 01:32:46.450]  [ALEXURBELS]: It just brought back so many memories to me, Kyle, because it sounds like it's like the soundtrack to softcore porn that you would have seen, like, in the Playboy channel in the 90s or something.
[01:32:46.530 --> 01:32:47.270]  [ALEXURBELS]: We'll play that again.
[01:32:47.590 --> 01:32:48.410]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Can you play that again?
[01:32:48.410 --> 01:32:49.130]  [KYLEDROSDK]: You might say that.
[01:32:49.250 --> 01:32:51.630]  [KYLEDROSDK]: We've done a little bit of conversation about this before.
[01:32:51.630 --> 01:32:56.930]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It's Tim Carlton, Opus, number one, and it is the Cisco default hold music.
[01:32:57.130 --> 01:32:57.790]  [EVILCORLEY]: Ah, yeah, Cisco.
[01:32:58.610 --> 01:32:59.410]  [KYLEDROSDK]: There you go.
[01:32:59.590 --> 01:33:01.950]  [EVILCORLEY]: How many of us called Cisco and waited on hold?
[01:33:02.250 --> 01:33:03.030]  [EVILCORLEY]: Probably a lot.
[01:33:05.590 --> 01:33:06.030]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:33:06.610 --> 01:33:08.650]  [EVILCORLEY]: When that fades out, we'll take our next call.
[01:33:11.330 --> 01:33:15.010]  [ROBVINCENT]: It is being recognized in the chat as, oh, my God, it's that hold music.
[01:33:17.570 --> 01:33:18.010]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[01:33:18.550 --> 01:33:19.930]  [ALEXURBELS]: That was just fantastic.
[01:33:21.790 --> 01:33:26.310]  [ALEXURBELS]: Hey, by the way, Rebels complaining about the time of night.
[01:33:26.310 --> 01:33:27.270]  [ALEXURBELS]: It is.
[01:33:27.450 --> 01:33:28.430]  [ALEXURBELS]: It's going to be late for him.
[01:33:28.950 --> 01:33:31.410]  [ALEXURBELS]: Didn't I do a show from Geneva last year as well?
[01:33:31.530 --> 01:33:38.710]  [ALEXURBELS]: I think I was in Geneva for something with the World Intellectual Property Organization and did the show one Wednesday night from Geneva.
[01:33:39.430 --> 01:33:41.630]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, you can't expect us to keep track of where you are.
[01:33:41.870 --> 01:33:43.010]  [EVILCORLEY]: Hopefully, you can do that.
[01:33:43.150 --> 01:33:44.190]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah, I recall.
[01:33:44.370 --> 01:33:45.090]  [ALEXURBELS]: I recall that.
[01:33:45.250 --> 01:33:46.430]  [ALEXURBELS]: So, look, it has been done.
[01:33:46.650 --> 01:33:47.250]  [EVILCORLEY]: Good evening.
[01:33:47.470 --> 01:33:48.910]  [EVILCORLEY]: You're on Off The Hook Overtime.
[01:33:49.010 --> 01:33:49.230]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead.
[01:33:50.090 --> 01:33:59.310]  [SPEAKER_03]: If the speaker at the HOPE conference has to cancel their talk at the last minute, can Rebel be available on standby to host an Ask Me Anything session?
[01:34:00.070 --> 01:34:01.630]  [EVILCORLEY]: Rebel is always available.
[01:34:01.910 --> 01:34:07.510]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, you know, it's the decision of people on staff at the time.
[01:34:07.510 --> 01:34:11.730]  [EVILCORLEY]: But, you know, what's happened is we've had...
[01:34:12.250 --> 01:34:14.990]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't know if you've seen our schedule, but it's up on hope.net right now.
[01:34:15.670 --> 01:34:18.610]  [EVILCORLEY]: We've had a few talks that have had to cancel.
[01:34:19.090 --> 01:34:26.110]  [EVILCORLEY]: And what we do is we reach out to the next highest talks that didn't get scheduled and ask them, are you still available?
[01:34:26.290 --> 01:34:35.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: And in almost every instance, we get a response almost immediately because people really want to talk at the conference and it's really fun to see that.
[01:34:35.090 --> 01:34:36.430]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's really fun to see that enthusiasm.
[01:34:36.470 --> 01:34:41.070]  [EVILCORLEY]: So, I don't think we'll have any trouble filling any cancellations, if there are any.
[01:34:41.630 --> 01:34:41.970]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Absolutely.
[01:34:42.110 --> 01:34:49.750]  [KYLEDROSDK]: But the one thing, I think specifically with Rebels, he's a long-time volunteer and might actually be really busy during the conference.
[01:34:49.990 --> 01:34:50.370]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah, we'll put him to work.
[01:34:50.830 --> 01:34:52.050]  [KYLEDROSDK]: He's always running around.
[01:34:52.170 --> 01:34:54.790]  [KYLEDROSDK]: He's always doing something there and has helped out a lot.
[01:34:54.830 --> 01:34:55.690]  [KYLEDROSDK]: He does InfoDesk.
[01:34:55.750 --> 01:34:56.270]  [KYLEDROSDK]: With volunteers.
[01:34:56.510 --> 01:35:02.250]  [KYLEDROSDK]: He helps orient people, help them find things and get to where they need to be and have a good time.
[01:35:02.250 --> 01:35:04.170]  [KYLEDROSDK]: So, it might be hard for him to find it.
[01:35:04.230 --> 01:35:07.170]  [KYLEDROSDK]: But if possible, yeah, we'll definitely call upon him.
[01:35:07.250 --> 01:35:09.550]  [EVILCORLEY]: He can point to where any of the boroughs are.
[01:35:09.650 --> 01:35:14.110]  [EVILCORLEY]: If you ask him, he'll tell you where Queens is, where Staten Island is, and the other ones.
[01:35:14.610 --> 01:35:19.650]  [ROBVINCENT]: But also, if what you want to do is ask Rebel anything, he is going to be at the conference and he's a friendly dude.
[01:35:19.650 --> 01:35:22.890]  [ROBVINCENT]: You can just walk up to him and ask him anything, and he'll probably have an answer for you.
[01:35:24.210 --> 01:35:25.450]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I'll look into it.
[01:35:25.510 --> 01:35:25.830]  [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks.
[01:35:26.010 --> 01:35:26.210]  [SPEAKER_03]: Cool.
[01:35:26.390 --> 01:35:26.790]  [SPEAKER_03]: We'll see you there.
[01:35:26.890 --> 01:35:26.970]  [SPEAKER_03]: Bye.
[01:35:27.650 --> 01:35:42.810]  [ALEXURBELS]: And look, as much as I like to rip on Rebel and whatnot, I remember over 30 years ago, I met Rebel for the first time at a 2600 meeting, you know, in that lobby of payphones over at the Citigroup building.
[01:35:43.450 --> 01:35:47.570]  [ALEXURBELS]: And he taught me a lot of stuff about phones back then.
[01:35:47.690 --> 01:35:49.330]  [ALEXURBELS]: You know, when I was a budding phone phreak.
[01:35:49.650 --> 01:35:51.310]  [ALEXURBELS]: I learned a hell of a lot from Rebel.
[01:35:52.250 --> 01:36:03.810]  [ALEXURBELS]: So, and as much as I do like to throw it back at him, because he does seem to be trying to meet some kind of absurdly high word quota every Wednesday or something.
[01:36:03.970 --> 01:36:07.070]  [ALEXURBELS]: So, yeah, he's a smart guy.
[01:36:07.290 --> 01:36:07.910]  [ALEXURBELS]: He's a smart dude.
[01:36:07.910 --> 01:36:27.990]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Alex, I think what you're observing too is that, and this is common and I think a trait sort of that's quintessential with hackers and people that are passionate about stuff, that when they really are curious and really know and want to know and want to learn and understand something,
[01:36:27.990 --> 01:36:37.730]  [KYLEDROSDK]: they have an intensity, a vigor about the things that they're excited about to the point where they want to share, they want to tell other people about it.
[01:36:38.170 --> 01:36:44.450]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And when, on a certain level, you know, you got to appreciate that.
[01:36:44.450 --> 01:36:57.230]  [KYLEDROSDK]: That is something I think that you might be speaking to, that the willingness to share, the willingness to really just talk about it, because you just can't help it.
[01:36:57.270 --> 01:36:59.010]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It's so fascinating to you.
[01:36:59.090 --> 01:37:04.470]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And that is a real hallmark of a lot of us, but just for all kinds of different things.
[01:37:04.470 --> 01:37:06.090]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And we all bring something to it.
[01:37:06.170 --> 01:37:07.930]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And I just hope people will keep that in mind.
[01:37:09.550 --> 01:37:14.130]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right, our front lines are open, I believe, 802-321-4225.
[01:37:14.490 --> 01:37:17.770]  [EVILCORLEY]: Please give us a call in the minutes that we have left.
[01:37:21.070 --> 01:37:29.790]  [ROBVINCENT]: Sarah B on the chat, talking about that hold music again, says there was apparently an episode of This American Life that was about that particular hold music.
[01:37:29.990 --> 01:37:33.650]  [ROBVINCENT]: I may have to track that down and see what they have to say about it.
[01:37:34.150 --> 01:37:36.670]  [ROBVINCENT]: Also, our pal Lex has a hope question.
[01:37:36.830 --> 01:37:37.150]  [ROBVINCENT]: Go ahead.
[01:37:37.930 --> 01:37:40.130]  [ROBVINCENT]: He asks, HOPE 16 was last year.
[01:37:40.250 --> 01:37:41.290]  [ROBVINCENT]: This year is HOPE 26.
[01:37:41.430 --> 01:37:43.490]  [ROBVINCENT]: What happened to HOPE 17 through 25?
[01:37:43.770 --> 01:37:45.730]  [EVILCORLEY]: I knew somebody was going to ask this question eventually.
[01:37:45.730 --> 01:37:48.010]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, I just countered that with another question.
[01:37:48.830 --> 01:37:50.930]  [EVILCORLEY]: Why was there a HOPE after The Last hope?
[01:37:52.450 --> 01:37:53.650]  [EVILCORLEY]: None of us should be here.
[01:37:54.810 --> 01:37:55.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:37:55.970 --> 01:37:58.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: We're not afraid of number sequencing.
[01:37:58.910 --> 01:38:01.990]  [EVILCORLEY]: We're not afraid of flying in the face of logic.
[01:38:02.470 --> 01:38:03.870]  [EVILCORLEY]: You should know this about us.
[01:38:04.050 --> 01:38:06.430]  [KYLEDROSDK]: We reserve the right to confuse service.
[01:38:06.750 --> 01:38:07.870]  [EVILCORLEY]: What's the next one going to be called?
[01:38:07.970 --> 01:38:08.450]  [EVILCORLEY]: Nobody knows.
[01:38:09.690 --> 01:38:09.990]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:38:10.630 --> 01:38:11.210]  [EVILCORLEY]: Nobody knows.
[01:38:12.710 --> 01:38:13.310]  [EVILCORLEY]: Anything else?
[01:38:13.510 --> 01:38:13.910]  [EVILCORLEY]: Is that it?
[01:38:14.850 --> 01:38:15.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:38:15.610 --> 01:38:16.570]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I think we have a call.
[01:38:16.750 --> 01:38:16.930]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Don't we?
[01:38:17.070 --> 01:38:17.990]  [EVILCORLEY]: I think we do have a call.
[01:38:18.070 --> 01:38:19.010]  [EVILCORLEY]: Do we have a call, Kyle?
[01:38:19.350 --> 01:38:20.790]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yes, there is a call on the line.
[01:38:20.790 --> 01:38:21.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, then, let me say good evening.
[01:38:21.810 --> 01:38:23.430]  [EVILCORLEY]: You're on Off The Hook Overtime.
[01:38:24.570 --> 01:38:25.870]  [SPEAKER_05]: Hey, good evening, everybody.
[01:38:26.150 --> 01:38:26.490]  [SPEAKER_05]: How are you doing?
[01:38:26.590 --> 01:38:26.710]  [SPEAKER_05]: How are you doing?
[01:38:26.930 --> 01:38:27.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: Good.
[01:38:27.190 --> 01:38:27.430]  [EVILCORLEY]: How are you?
[01:38:28.550 --> 01:38:29.450]  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm doing well.
[01:38:30.330 --> 01:38:31.750]  [SPEAKER_05]: Just a non sequitur.
[01:38:31.950 --> 01:38:38.410]  [SPEAKER_05]: I know we've sort of talked about a lot of different things tonight, but something just fun came across my radar today as I was headed to work.
[01:38:39.330 --> 01:38:50.830]  [SPEAKER_05]: So the commute to work for me, it's not very long, but I have a lot of podcasts to sort of keep me company, you know, tech news, miscellaneous, and I happened to catch the current episode on Decoder Ring, if you've heard of that one.
[01:38:51.030 --> 01:38:52.470]  [SPEAKER_05]: They cover a lot of interesting topics.
[01:38:53.050 --> 01:39:01.690]  [SPEAKER_05]: And the particular episode that I'm going to reference is one, it's the current one, it's called Weapons of Map, M-A-P, Map Destruction.
[01:39:01.910 --> 01:39:02.150]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:39:03.410 --> 01:39:07.390]  [SPEAKER_05]: And in this particular episode, they're just talking about GPS, and it's pretty fun.
[01:39:07.510 --> 01:39:10.170]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's very accessible for non-techies and that sort of thing.
[01:39:10.750 --> 01:39:21.990]  [SPEAKER_05]: It sort of covers the history of how GPS began, when sort of, you know, we got most of the satellites up, and then also, like, by the year 2000, when they had increased the accuracy of it and all of that.
[01:39:22.030 --> 01:39:22.670]  [SPEAKER_05]: So very fun.
[01:39:23.250 --> 01:39:28.590]  [SPEAKER_05]: But the reason I'm sharing is that I'm listening, and all of a sudden, I hear a voice that I recognize.
[01:39:29.230 --> 01:39:38.710]  [SPEAKER_05]: And so as the host is sort of doing little sound bites and things of different people talking about GPS, Emmanuel, you have a sound bite in that particular episode.
[01:39:38.790 --> 01:39:39.110]  [SPEAKER_05]: I do.
[01:39:39.110 --> 01:39:40.970]  [SPEAKER_05]: So at minute 25, yeah, you do.
[01:39:41.350 --> 01:39:44.530]  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know who you were talking to at the time, but it is absolutely you.
[01:39:44.650 --> 01:39:49.690]  [SPEAKER_05]: And it's only, you know, like a second or two, like you're talking about, like, oh, hey, GPS is working and blah, blah, blah.
[01:39:50.490 --> 01:39:54.750]  [SPEAKER_05]: But if you check it out, you're at minute, like, 2538 is what it is.
[01:39:54.810 --> 01:39:57.930]  [SPEAKER_05]: I took a note just for you, because I knew today was a call-in day or whatever.
[01:39:58.410 --> 01:40:01.270]  [SPEAKER_05]: And I figured I'd call in and put you, just sort of hit you to it.
[01:40:01.570 --> 01:40:01.890]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[01:40:02.050 --> 01:40:05.490]  [SPEAKER_05]: So you've been around long enough to talk about all these things and, well, and everybody too.
[01:40:09.190 --> 01:40:10.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: I know that voice.
[01:40:10.230 --> 01:40:11.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: Shouldn't I remember talking to them?
[01:40:11.590 --> 01:40:13.070]  [EVILCORLEY]: Are they talking to me?
[01:40:13.130 --> 01:40:14.130]  [EVILCORLEY]: Are they playing an excerpt?
[01:40:14.250 --> 01:40:14.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: What are they doing?
[01:40:14.530 --> 01:40:14.970]  [SPEAKER_05]: No, they're not.
[01:40:14.990 --> 01:40:16.010]  [SPEAKER_05]: They're not talking to you.
[01:40:16.170 --> 01:40:16.830]  [SPEAKER_05]: Like, it's a clip.
[01:40:16.990 --> 01:40:24.170]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's clearly something where, you know, how you would just sample a whole bunch of different people in the zeitgeist talking about the technology and that sort of thing.
[01:40:24.570 --> 01:40:30.690]  [SPEAKER_05]: And clearly there must be somebody on the production crew or somebody that knows, hey, here are the people that talk about this sort of thing all the time.
[01:40:30.690 --> 01:40:37.130]  [SPEAKER_05]: And you just, again, you don't get into any depth or anything, but it's just hilarious that, again, I hear your voice.
[01:40:37.130 --> 01:40:37.990]  [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm like, hey, wait a minute.
[01:40:38.010 --> 01:40:38.850]  [SPEAKER_05]: I know who that is.
[01:40:39.010 --> 01:40:47.970]  [SPEAKER_05]: And, you know, just an interesting intersection of sort of a pop culture podcast and the work that you guys do and specifically your voice in that podcast.
[01:40:48.170 --> 01:40:50.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: So give me the name of it again and how I can find it.
[01:40:51.510 --> 01:40:51.870]  [SPEAKER_05]: Sure.
[01:40:51.870 --> 01:40:54.970]  [SPEAKER_05]: The name of the podcast is called Decoder Ring.
[01:40:56.790 --> 01:40:59.650]  [SPEAKER_05]: And the episode name is from this month.
[01:40:59.650 --> 01:41:00.390]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's the current one.
[01:41:00.530 --> 01:41:03.110]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's called Weapons of Map Destruction.
[01:41:03.390 --> 01:41:03.590]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:41:04.090 --> 01:41:14.570]  [SPEAKER_05]: And it's fun because, again, not only is it talking about GPS, but it's talking about sort of the concerns that have crept into the public consciousness about jamming as well as spoofing.
[01:41:14.710 --> 01:41:25.770]  [SPEAKER_05]: And they cover a lot of the things that are going on, like, in the Middle East and how there's concern there and how, again, there's sort of the fog of GPS spoofing around Putin and that sort of thing.
[01:41:25.890 --> 01:41:27.130]  [SPEAKER_05]: So it's very fun.
[01:41:27.330 --> 01:41:28.250]  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not doing a plug for it.
[01:41:28.330 --> 01:41:29.530]  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't have anything to do with those guys.
[01:41:29.670 --> 01:41:29.990]  [SPEAKER_05]: I just...
[01:41:29.990 --> 01:41:32.090]  [SPEAKER_05]: They do a cross-section of a lot of different things.
[01:41:32.230 --> 01:41:33.750]  [SPEAKER_05]: And I just thought, hey, that's pretty cool.
[01:41:34.870 --> 01:41:35.170]  [EVILCORLEY]: Interesting.
[01:41:35.330 --> 01:41:36.510]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, thanks for sharing that.
[01:41:36.650 --> 01:41:41.190]  [EVILCORLEY]: Definitely something to listen to and try and figure out where that came from.
[01:41:42.510 --> 01:41:42.830]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yep.
[01:41:43.030 --> 01:41:43.330]  [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely.
[01:41:43.570 --> 01:41:44.550]  [SPEAKER_05]: So thanks for taking my call.
[01:41:44.650 --> 01:41:45.330]  [SPEAKER_05]: And everybody, take care.
[01:41:45.410 --> 01:41:45.850]  [SPEAKER_05]: Have a good night.
[01:41:45.910 --> 01:41:46.990]  [SPEAKER_05]: Always appreciate your guys' work.
[01:41:47.190 --> 01:41:47.470]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[01:41:48.790 --> 01:41:49.290]  [EVILCORLEY]: Take care.
[01:41:49.450 --> 01:41:49.830]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Thank you.
[01:41:50.550 --> 01:41:50.930]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:41:51.090 --> 01:41:56.670]  [EVILCORLEY]: So anyone out there who is using my voice, we're going to find out about it one way or another.
[01:41:57.130 --> 01:41:57.530]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah.
[01:41:57.590 --> 01:42:01.050]  [EVILCORLEY]: We have all kinds of people out there looking for things like this.
[01:42:01.150 --> 01:42:01.630]  [EVILCORLEY]: I'm curious.
[01:42:01.890 --> 01:42:03.630]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I think it's really, really lovely, though.
[01:42:03.790 --> 01:42:11.930]  [KYLEDROSDK]: But to get a little bit of recognition or be a part of that collage, like, say, a soundscape or whatever they were making...
[01:42:11.930 --> 01:42:13.030]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It could be someone who just sounds like me.
[01:42:13.030 --> 01:42:14.170]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It's sort of like the...
[01:42:14.170 --> 01:42:20.450]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I can imagine, like, the virtual tuning of a dial montage type thing, as the caller described.
[01:42:20.690 --> 01:42:27.750]  [KYLEDROSDK]: But it's really fantastic because sometimes we don't really get a lot of the work we've done.
[01:42:28.030 --> 01:42:31.010]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I mean, we feel like we're repeating ourselves because we've been talking about it for so long.
[01:42:31.010 --> 01:42:51.330]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I don't know if you feel that way, Emmanuel, but for the short amount of time I've been doing it, I get kind of worn down by the drumbeat of our own words and having to say the same thing and then watching in slow motion as everyone collectively ignores it like lemmings off a cliff or something.
[01:42:51.490 --> 01:43:03.050]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I mean, it's just hard to watch and then go back and then try to make everything approachable and, you know, like, like a daycare sing-along or something.
[01:43:03.250 --> 01:43:05.550]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Like, it gets really difficult.
[01:43:05.830 --> 01:43:12.190]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And when we have these, like, little cultural artifacts that actually say, hey, these people know what they're talking about.
[01:43:12.190 --> 01:43:13.750]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It's a good reminder.
[01:43:14.050 --> 01:43:17.870]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, I don't think anyone said that I knew what I was talking about, but, you know, we'll see.
[01:43:17.970 --> 01:43:20.630]  [EVILCORLEY]: We'll see what the reaction to whatever I said was.
[01:43:21.510 --> 01:43:23.590]  [ALEXURBELS]: Well, I, for one, I think that's very cool.
[01:43:23.590 --> 01:43:24.210]  [ALEXURBELS]: I do.
[01:43:24.390 --> 01:43:28.190]  [ALEXURBELS]: And I appreciate the caller notifying us of that, too.
[01:43:28.350 --> 01:43:29.370]  [ALEXURBELS]: That's very neat.
[01:43:29.530 --> 01:43:37.110]  [ALEXURBELS]: It's neat to see this all getting around and people listening and acknowledging it and then telling us about it.
[01:43:37.530 --> 01:43:38.950]  [ALEXURBELS]: So, thank you.
[01:43:39.110 --> 01:43:39.350]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yes.
[01:43:39.670 --> 01:43:39.810]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yes.
[01:43:40.170 --> 01:43:41.990]  [EVILCORLEY]: Sharing information is what we're all about.
[01:43:43.170 --> 01:43:45.270]  [EVILCORLEY]: 802-3214-225 is our phone number.
[01:43:45.470 --> 01:43:49.410]  [EVILCORLEY]: We have time for maybe one more, maybe two more, of course, but not many more than that.
[01:43:49.410 --> 01:43:49.930]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's for sure.
[01:43:53.020 --> 01:43:53.540]  [ROBVINCENT]: Absolutely.
[01:43:53.980 --> 01:43:58.440]  [ROBVINCENT]: Someone on the chat, Checkers Lane, asks, what other radio show does Emmanuel host?
[01:43:58.540 --> 01:43:59.680]  [ROBVINCENT]: I think he has another show.
[01:44:01.800 --> 01:44:02.820]  [EVILCORLEY]: That is correct.
[01:44:03.120 --> 01:44:04.800]  [EVILCORLEY]: It would be improper for me to answer that.
[01:44:05.480 --> 01:44:05.760]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yes.
[01:44:06.080 --> 01:44:32.180]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Emmanuel does another radio program at the Stony Brook University radio station, which is a college station that he has broadcasted on and participated in and really was a part of a founding crew there that established this very small community radio station that's an incredibly diverse and interesting place,
[01:44:32.180 --> 01:44:35.120]  [KYLEDROSDK]: has a similar free-form program as WBAI.
[01:44:35.120 --> 01:44:42.460]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It is not part of a network like Pacifica, but in its own right, it's a force in the Brookhaven area.
[01:44:42.780 --> 01:44:45.960]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And they, of course, stream at WUSB.FM.
[01:44:46.040 --> 01:44:47.760]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And that is on Tuesdays.
[01:44:47.840 --> 01:44:49.360]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Mostly it's travel stuff.
[01:44:49.540 --> 01:45:00.980]  [KYLEDROSDK]: If Emmanuel's moving around, a lot of times it's about the status quo and politics, whether you like it or we like it or anyone likes it or not.
[01:45:00.980 --> 01:45:15.340]  [KYLEDROSDK]: But we talk about everything, and that's the point, is just what we're thinking, what we're feeling, if we want to vent about something, if we want to read some of the feedback, you can always email us, and we often read those letters.
[01:45:15.660 --> 01:45:17.800]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And I don't know.
[01:45:17.920 --> 01:45:18.200]  [KYLEDROSDK]: What else?
[01:45:18.280 --> 01:45:28.980]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I mean, you did several programs there and got your start in radio there and cited as a sort of foundational, really important trajectory guide.
[01:45:28.980 --> 01:45:34.340]  [EVILCORLEY]: The station went on the air a couple of months before I started college at Stony Brook.
[01:45:34.460 --> 01:45:36.740]  [EVILCORLEY]: So it was already in existence when I walked through the doors.
[01:45:37.980 --> 01:45:39.300]  [EVILCORLEY]: So I got trained.
[01:45:39.540 --> 01:45:45.260]  [EVILCORLEY]: I basically was a newscaster, and then I was an engineer, and then eventually I wound up doing a music show.
[01:45:45.960 --> 01:45:54.520]  [EVILCORLEY]: But the shows I did, the ones that really stick in my memory, I'm so fortunate that I was able to record almost all of them.
[01:45:54.900 --> 01:45:57.900]  [EVILCORLEY]: And they're all online at 28600.com.
[01:45:58.020 --> 01:46:03.420]  [EVILCORLEY]: If you go on the radio section and just hover over there, you'll see there's a section called Other.
[01:46:03.700 --> 01:46:06.740]  [EVILCORLEY]: And click on that, and you'll hear all kinds of shows from way back.
[01:46:07.580 --> 01:46:10.320]  [EVILCORLEY]: And you'll hear how things were different back then.
[01:46:10.320 --> 01:46:12.060]  [EVILCORLEY]: You'll hear how phones sounded different.
[01:46:12.080 --> 01:46:14.380]  [EVILCORLEY]: You'll hear how society was different.
[01:46:14.520 --> 01:46:15.200]  [EVILCORLEY]: People were different.
[01:46:15.200 --> 01:46:16.700]  [EVILCORLEY]: The way we interacted.
[01:46:17.340 --> 01:46:19.500]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's so important to keep these little time capsules.
[01:46:19.760 --> 01:46:20.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: And we try to do that.
[01:46:21.600 --> 01:46:21.760]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[01:46:22.100 --> 01:46:22.800]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And Rebel...
[01:46:22.800 --> 01:46:24.140]  [ALEXURBELS]: All of its archive...
[01:46:24.140 --> 01:46:24.800]  [ALEXURBELS]: Rebel sounded the same.
[01:46:24.900 --> 01:46:25.280]  [ALEXURBELS]: Oh, sorry.
[01:46:25.380 --> 01:46:25.620]  [ALEXURBELS]: Go ahead.
[01:46:25.680 --> 01:46:26.880]  [EVILCORLEY]: Rebel didn't call that show.
[01:46:26.980 --> 01:46:27.700]  [EVILCORLEY]: He didn't know about it.
[01:46:28.860 --> 01:46:30.860]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Well, I would just say that all of its archive, yeah.
[01:46:31.180 --> 01:46:33.540]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Rebel, many people from the past.
[01:46:34.540 --> 01:46:36.480]  [KYLEDROSDK]: My voice is on there in some ways.
[01:46:36.640 --> 01:46:40.960]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And all of the stuff that we host, that is saved.
[01:46:40.960 --> 01:46:41.780]  [KYLEDROSDK]: We archived it.
[01:46:41.780 --> 01:46:50.840]  [KYLEDROSDK]: You were using reel-to-reel, and then tapes, and then for a little while, CDs there when I first started, and as a guest, basically learning.
[01:46:51.580 --> 01:47:00.480]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And I took a little bit of radio production when I was going to school in Chicago for a little bit, and got my start.
[01:47:00.520 --> 01:47:04.740]  [KYLEDROSDK]: But I wasn't on the air until Emmanuel invited me to do it.
[01:47:04.740 --> 01:47:20.040]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And it really is, like, it's such a valuable thing to get some experience doing, and you really, you are really holding together an art form, holding together a public information system.
[01:47:20.120 --> 01:47:35.660]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And it's been something that, I don't know, you can really just, I don't know, be more involved than you imagine in a lot of the community-modeled stations, generally.
[01:47:36.000 --> 01:47:40.660]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well, you know, that place, it was just, it was what I needed at the time.
[01:47:40.800 --> 01:47:47.360]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, I was just out of high school, like, I could, you know, I couldn't really express myself well, how many people can.
[01:47:48.800 --> 01:48:06.080]  [EVILCORLEY]: And that place taught me about bigger worlds, about all kinds of different music, all kinds of different people, and I was able to just find myself in that and feel confident, you know, try creative things and have support of the people at the station.
[01:48:06.280 --> 01:48:12.740]  [EVILCORLEY]: And that led me into other things, you know, things that I do now with the magazine and with the conferences and things.
[01:48:12.960 --> 01:48:20.640]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, I never would have been able to do that had I not had that confidence that I got from WUSB, the radio station out in Stony Brook.
[01:48:20.640 --> 01:48:35.460]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And it's really fun to listen to them, see the playfulness, because there was so much going on that was very serious at the time, but the playfulness, the playing off of other people who were just starting out on radio, other hosts, Mike Yuhas, all the people that you would,
[01:48:35.580 --> 01:48:43.900]  [KYLEDROSDK]: the cast of characters, the people starting that radio station are just phenomenal influences, and it's great to hear and listen back.
[01:48:43.980 --> 01:48:52.580]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And you realize that everybody was growing around very serious, dire times, but still had a sense of fun and joy in it.
[01:48:52.720 --> 01:48:55.360]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And I think we still try to do that here.
[01:48:55.580 --> 01:49:03.840]  [KYLEDROSDK]: We try to do that to kind of not get lost in the seriousness, because we are in serious times.
[01:49:03.940 --> 01:49:15.000]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And the last thing I'll say is that that seriousness, if you go back and listen to everything in order, you're like, casually listening to it Overtime, you'll realize there are patterns and things that return.
[01:49:15.160 --> 01:49:15.440]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Of course.
[01:49:15.440 --> 01:49:18.940]  [KYLEDROSDK]: That's the one thing I realized when I started re-listening to shows.
[01:49:20.300 --> 01:49:25.340]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I haven't listened to shows in a really long time, I guess, because I don't want to hear myself.
[01:49:25.520 --> 01:49:31.940]  [KYLEDROSDK]: But I do hear them occasionally when we go through them and do write-ups and stuff.
[01:49:32.060 --> 01:49:40.560]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And it's just remarkable to me, and other people have noted it, that history really does repeat itself.
[01:49:40.880 --> 01:49:57.880]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And when you listen to stuff that people are doing with such dedication, as a vocation, you realize that they're creating a time capsule that when you go back, you realize a lot of things are different, but so many things don't change at all.
[01:49:57.880 --> 01:49:58.240]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Yeah.
[01:49:58.340 --> 01:50:08.940]  [EVILCORLEY]: And if you go back, particularly those really early shows, I'm talking about when Reagan was first in office, there's a show there called Voice of Long Island.
[01:50:09.060 --> 01:50:10.240]  [EVILCORLEY]: I did, you mentioned Mike Yuhas.
[01:50:11.180 --> 01:50:12.780]  [EVILCORLEY]: We co-hosted the show.
[01:50:13.320 --> 01:50:19.080]  [EVILCORLEY]: And one thing we did every, was it, was it, yeah, we would make phone calls.
[01:50:19.260 --> 01:50:20.760]  [EVILCORLEY]: We'd make phone calls a lot.
[01:50:21.100 --> 01:50:21.100]  [KYLEDROSDK]: You messed around so much.
[01:50:21.100 --> 01:50:22.020]  [EVILCORLEY]: All you did was...
[01:50:22.020 --> 01:50:23.680]  [EVILCORLEY]: We'd call the international operator.
[01:50:24.000 --> 01:50:27.140]  [EVILCORLEY]: We'd make all kinds of long distance, things you can't, you cannot do now.
[01:50:27.280 --> 01:50:29.640]  [KYLEDROSDK]: While you're playing music and layering and connecting...
[01:50:29.640 --> 01:50:31.500]  [EVILCORLEY]: You would hear sounds of switches.
[01:50:31.500 --> 01:50:40.840]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's just, it is, it is so much interesting technical stuff that I never realized, just by recording this, you know, we're saving something for posterity.
[01:50:41.000 --> 01:50:55.260]  [EVILCORLEY]: And that, that continues on to another show that I did called Brain Damage, where I would have a segment called Confuse the Operator, which literally was about calling out and saying something to an operator to confuse them, and just having a back and forth.
[01:50:55.960 --> 01:50:58.300]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, people don't do that anymore.
[01:50:58.540 --> 01:50:58.820]  [EVILCORLEY]: Well...
[01:50:58.820 --> 01:51:00.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: They don't have that kind of just casual fun.
[01:51:00.700 --> 01:51:03.380]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I gotta say, I mean, that's kind of what Rebel's doing.
[01:51:03.600 --> 01:51:05.460]  [KYLEDROSDK]: I mean, it's a reference.
[01:51:05.460 --> 01:51:07.420]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It's honoring that sort of spirit.
[01:51:07.420 --> 01:51:09.800]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And like I said, that vigor, that, like, intensity.
[01:51:09.980 --> 01:51:10.780]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And you know what?
[01:51:10.780 --> 01:51:12.700]  [KYLEDROSDK]: When that's not around, you miss it.
[01:51:12.840 --> 01:51:13.080]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yes.
[01:51:13.240 --> 01:51:13.540]  [KYLEDROSDK]: You know?
[01:51:13.640 --> 01:51:16.140]  [KYLEDROSDK]: You want people that are like, hey, look what this thing is.
[01:51:16.220 --> 01:51:16.740]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Look at what we're doing.
[01:51:16.820 --> 01:51:17.360]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Let's call this.
[01:51:17.400 --> 01:51:18.020]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Let's try this.
[01:51:18.040 --> 01:51:18.460]  [KYLEDROSDK]: Let's do it.
[01:51:18.500 --> 01:51:19.260]  [KYLEDROSDK]: That's how you figure...
[01:51:19.260 --> 01:51:23.760]  [KYLEDROSDK]: That's how you get a sense of the shape and the form of the world you're living in.
[01:51:23.760 --> 01:51:29.140]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And yeah, it just... it's so incredibly powerful.
[01:51:29.300 --> 01:51:33.900]  [KYLEDROSDK]: And all the fun segments that you just make up stuff and go with it.
[01:51:34.060 --> 01:51:36.940]  [EVILCORLEY]: We have had a very patient caller on the line all this time.
[01:51:37.080 --> 01:51:39.180]  [EVILCORLEY]: And I apologize to the caller and say, good evening.
[01:51:39.360 --> 01:51:41.080]  [EVILCORLEY]: You're on Off The Hook Overtime.
[01:51:41.180 --> 01:51:41.400]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead.
[01:51:43.700 --> 01:51:44.140]  [EVILCORLEY]: Hello?
[01:51:46.040 --> 01:51:48.120]  [EVILCORLEY]: You know, maybe they're not as patient as I thought they were.
[01:51:48.280 --> 01:51:49.380]  [EVILCORLEY]: Or maybe they fell asleep.
[01:51:50.120 --> 01:51:50.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: Oh, well.
[01:51:52.060 --> 01:51:53.140]  [ALEXURBELS]: Hey, quick question.
[01:51:53.280 --> 01:51:54.320]  [EVILCORLEY]: One more time.
[01:51:54.460 --> 01:51:55.940]  [EVILCORLEY]: 802-321-4225.
[01:51:56.120 --> 01:51:56.660]  [EVILCORLEY]: Give it a couple of minutes.
[01:51:56.760 --> 01:51:57.380]  [EVILCORLEY]: Go ahead, Alex.
[01:51:58.140 --> 01:51:58.320]  [ALEXURBELS]: Yeah.
[01:51:58.460 --> 01:52:03.860]  [ALEXURBELS]: Well, speaking of WUSB, is Lister's show still on the air there?
[01:52:03.980 --> 01:52:04.620]  [ALEXURBELS]: The reggae show?
[01:52:04.980 --> 01:52:09.400]  [EVILCORLEY]: Not every week, but I understand he's on a number of weeks.
[01:52:09.880 --> 01:52:12.940]  [EVILCORLEY]: He has been on a hiatus for a little while, but I think he's coming back.
[01:52:13.840 --> 01:52:14.420]  [ALEXURBELS]: All right.
[01:52:14.520 --> 01:52:14.920]  [ALEXURBELS]: Very good.
[01:52:15.020 --> 01:52:15.340]  [ALEXURBELS]: Very good.
[01:52:15.580 --> 01:52:26.700]  [ALEXURBELS]: And also, while we're on the subject of radio, speaking of radio, I want to thank everybody that emailed us last week specifically about me getting my ham license and offering access to repeaters and various things.
[01:52:26.800 --> 01:52:32.780]  [ALEXURBELS]: And I will get back to you all, but that was such an outpouring of support last week.
[01:52:32.780 --> 01:52:33.600]  [ALEXURBELS]: It was really touching.
[01:52:33.800 --> 01:52:34.280]  [ALEXURBELS]: Thank you all.
[01:52:35.300 --> 01:52:35.740]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[01:52:36.660 --> 01:52:38.600]  [EVILCORLEY]: And we do have another phone call?
[01:52:39.080 --> 01:52:39.660]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[01:52:39.820 --> 01:52:40.200]  [EVILCORLEY]: Good evening.
[01:52:41.720 --> 01:52:42.000]  [EVILCORLEY]: Tom, go ahead.
[01:52:42.220 --> 01:52:42.960]  [REBEL_RICH]: I wanted to take this call.
[01:52:43.520 --> 01:52:44.220]  [EVILCORLEY]: What's this now?
[01:52:47.100 --> 01:52:47.820]  [EVILCORLEY]: Repeat yourself?
[01:52:50.640 --> 01:52:51.000]  [EVILCORLEY]: Okay.
[01:52:51.020 --> 01:52:53.260]  [EVILCORLEY]: This is a bad system because they don't repeat themselves.
[01:52:53.600 --> 01:52:56.700]  [EVILCORLEY]: I don't know what that was, but we're going to leave it open for another call.
[01:52:56.860 --> 01:52:58.180]  [EVILCORLEY]: 802-321-4225.
[01:52:59.780 --> 01:53:00.760]  [EVILCORLEY]: What's going on there, Kyle?
[01:53:03.360 --> 01:53:04.340]  [EVILCORLEY]: What did you...
[01:53:04.340 --> 01:53:05.460]  [EVILCORLEY]: Can you explain what you just did?
[01:53:05.900 --> 01:53:07.440]  [KYLEDROSDK]: It said press one to take the call.
[01:53:07.800 --> 01:53:09.520]  [EVILCORLEY]: Press one to take the call?
[01:53:09.680 --> 01:53:10.360]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, I don't know.
[01:53:11.680 --> 01:53:12.500]  [EVILCORLEY]: Good evening.
[01:53:12.700 --> 01:53:13.020]  [EVILCORLEY]: Who's this?
[01:53:14.580 --> 01:53:16.760]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I'm calling from the Bronx.
[01:53:16.980 --> 01:53:22.280]  [SPEAKER_02]: I started to let you know that I'm trying to reach 2600.com and it times out.
[01:53:23.100 --> 01:53:26.860]  [EVILCORLEY]: I believe there is some maintenance or something going on on the site.
[01:53:27.000 --> 01:53:28.580]  [EVILCORLEY]: I know it'll be back up later tonight.
[01:53:29.820 --> 01:53:35.000]  [EVILCORLEY]: Same thing for hope.net, but thanks for alerting us in this really kind of strange way.
[01:53:36.020 --> 01:53:37.640]  [EVILCORLEY]: but yes, we are aware.
[01:53:38.980 --> 01:53:40.040]  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, thank you.
[01:53:40.220 --> 01:53:41.500]  [SPEAKER_02]: You were talking about all these...
[01:53:41.500 --> 01:53:46.000]  [SPEAKER_02]: You can get out of the site, like go back to the old radio shows and you can't do it right now.
[01:53:46.820 --> 01:53:47.480]  [EVILCORLEY]: Yeah, you're right.
[01:53:47.560 --> 01:53:49.980]  [EVILCORLEY]: That's kind of frustrating.
[01:53:50.820 --> 01:53:52.160]  [EVILCORLEY]: But it'll be fixed.
[01:53:52.260 --> 01:53:54.940]  [EVILCORLEY]: It's up almost all the time, just not at this particular moment.
[01:53:56.060 --> 01:53:56.500]  [EVILCORLEY]: All right.
[01:53:56.620 --> 01:53:57.380]  [EVILCORLEY]: Thanks for your call.
[01:54:05.880 --> 01:54:06.540]  [ROBVINCENT]: Yes, indeed.
[01:54:06.820 --> 01:54:11.580]  [ROBVINCENT]: I want to thank the 60 or so people who have been with us for the better part of this hour.
[01:54:12.380 --> 01:54:17.160]  [ROBVINCENT]: On behalf of Gila, who had to leave, and on behalf of the rest of us, we do appreciate you.
[01:54:17.280 --> 01:54:20.360]  [ROBVINCENT]: We keep an eye on the chat even when we don't relay every message.
[01:54:21.360 --> 01:54:26.120]  [ROBVINCENT]: And, you know, this is why we're doing this, so folks can be involved in this way.
[01:54:26.400 --> 01:54:28.420]  [ROBVINCENT]: And we appreciate all of you showing up.
[01:54:29.720 --> 01:54:35.500]  [EVILCORLEY]: Please write to us, oth@2600.com with your thoughts and comments.
[01:54:35.860 --> 01:54:39.920]  [EVILCORLEY]: And please continue listening in the future.
[01:54:39.920 --> 01:54:50.560]  [EVILCORLEY]: And we'll see you again next week here on Overtime at 8 o'clock on YouTube, 7 o'clock on WBAI for another edition of Off The Hook.
[01:54:50.780 --> 01:54:52.540]  [EVILCORLEY]: This is Emmanuel for everybody.
[01:54:52.740 --> 01:54:53.220]  [EVILCORLEY]: Have a good night.