There is a rumor circulating the net that Cubase 4 is cracked. But haven't been released yet. Only for 'internal' use.

Anyone that can confirm or deny this?

Best regards

Rach

is our esteemed IQ really so low?

Good answer. Low because of what? For someone to confirm / deny or because of my doubts.
I don't care about the actual program, just the protection. I saw an small notice on a music site today and thought this can't be true.

Because you didn't posted in the good section ?

Which is the right one?

Rachmaninoff:

Since you frequent "music sites" perhaps you may have noticed that your username is "already in use." You should have chosen something "original", perhaps "Volfgang Amadeus Mozart" or "Fryderyk Chopin".

Or if you wanted to keep it in the "family", perhaps with a slight literary ring to it, you might have tried: "Aleksei Tolstoi", or something shorter, perhaps "Dostoyesfsky."


Regards,

Rachmaninoff died in 1943, therefore the name is free...

Explain this:
JMI Telescopes
Manufacturing Advanced Telescope Products

Java Metadata Interface
The Java Metadata Interface (JMI) Specificiation implements a dynamic, platform-neutral infrastructure

Jeunesses Musicales International

Jamia Millia Islamia

Jewish Music Institute

I'll guess i know why this is called 'Off topic'
- Switch direction, don't answer something related to the orginal question - do this in every reply!

Success!

Be careful, or you might find out the real meaning...

Just Middle-aged and Irritable


But then that covers a lot of us, doesn't it.


FWIW - I think you're getting the obtuse responses because your post smells of a thinly veiled crack request.

But thats just my $0.02, which at current exchange rates isn't worth much.

Just Mere Idiot?

Wait! You missed most of the references for "JMI", which my google listing places at 615,000. And if you fail to see the difference between "initials" and a famous composer's name, I'm afraid a can't help you further on this point.

But allow me to make amends by "responding to your original question!"

YES, IT'S TRUE! "There is a rumor circulating the net that Cubase 4 is cracked." YOU are spreading it, at least here, in hopes of gaining information about it and/or wanting a copy for "personal use."

And if it "had been cracked" and "hasn't been released yet" and "is only for internal use," why would you presume such information would be shared with "you"???

Riposte! (I knew that fencing class in college would come in handy someday!)

[EDIT:] CluelessNoob: I resent that remark! I'm well past "middle age" and well into the "senile senior citizen" stage. And just as soon as my Social Security check comes in, I'm going to buy a better concealable gun and come looking for you. ! ...

Um... I'm sorry, I've forgoten what it was I was just writing about. And I know I had something clever to say to PowerUp, but I just can't seem to recall what it was.

Regards,

JMI you should change handle to Isocrates, Plato or something that is really revealing your retorical skills.

The truth is i wanna be sure that Syncrosoft (new MCFACT4) haven't been cracked. Because i have argued with people that is NOT.
in hopes of gaining information about it
Of course i want information about it, that's sort of the point with asking a question.

A small note, I don't use Cubase, i use Reason (old version).

Have a great day.

OK! Here's a "hint" on how to "reverse" people who claim "something" is true. Ask THEM to provide the proof!

And a further "historical" note. At my age, just having another day IS "a great day" and far better than the alternative.

Second historical digression: I first started my unfinished quest towards learning something about "reverse engineering" by removing Pace copy protection on MAC music software, circa 1988 or so. I just hated the idea that I should have to "insert key disc" everytime I wanted to use software I had actually bought and paid for. The company's representatives were somewhat "surprised" when I mentioned to them at a MACWORLD convention shortly after I had accomplished the task, starting from "zero" knowledge about assembly language and/or reverse engineering, how easy it had proven after I spent a great deal of time finally learning how MAC software actually worked and what those assembly language "thingies" were actually doing when viewed in MACNosy.

Regards,

Nice story, do you have proof?

I started out with the +ORC series, w32dasm (demo) and hview. Putting crackmes and tuts on floppy discs and then spending the whole night trying to get a grasp (no, not Global and Regional Asperger Syndrome Partnership) about this strange thing called reverse engineering.

Well thanks for the replies, as they say.

There are 2 rules to being a success in life:
1. Never give out all the information.

Actually I do. I still have my "original" MAC, upgraded to a MAC+, a MAC Classic, 2 MAC AVs; and a MAC G3! I also have several reams of computer paper with the handwritten commented code printout from the debugger window as I slowly learned how to step through the code until it crashed and I then started over and learned what, where, and why it was breaking and, finally, how to prevent it from doing so. Initially, I had NO IDEA what the code was doing. I just knew that when I reached THAT instruction, the damn thing crashed.

Eventually, after reading a couple books on MAC Assembly Language Programming and studying how the MAC, at that time, transfered code into and out of memory, I figured out how it worked and how to stop it from crashing the debugger. That led to fully reversing the protections efforts at preventing me from seeing what was happening, and then, having finally stopped it from crashing the debugger, I saw what it was doing and I had to learn how to make the damn thing write the "real" unprotected code back to disc. More study, and some trial and error, eventually accomplished that task and I truely "owned" the software in "both" connotations of the word.

Essentially, it was starting with a magic phrase to encrypt the code and decrypting it on the input and recrypting it before writing back to disc. At the time MACs loaded resources, including code, into and out of memory as needed, because there really wasn't much available memory to play with. The "enhanced" MAC had 1 Meg of Ram memory. The "original" only 512K. That means alot of "swapping" for a GUI.

They used an "on the fly" checksum of the code resourses starting with the magic phrase, using the result of a previous section as the starting phrase for the next, and so on and so on. Once you could actually see the "original" code and could make it write back to disc, their "protection" was never again a factor and the software seemed much faster too.

I mainly go through the process simply being too stubborn to permit setbacks to defeat me. I literally knew "nothing" about computer operation and/or code and/or computer languages and/or programming when I started. Now I know "just a little bit." I was just both curious and determined. I had a working knowledge of DOS, but that had no real application to MAC software analysis of the time.

This is why I have often pointed out that reverse-engineering is a "journey" with a fairly never-ending horizon of expanding knowledge to attempt to grasp and digest. A desire to learn, a willingness to make an extended effort, and a stubborn determination not to be defeated, will take most people a very long way down the paths through "the dark codewoods." There are few "short-cuts" on the road to knowledge. And if you really like the challenge of actually working your way to the finish line, as much or more than the victory itself, it can be very rewarding for the brain and help keep it active and sharp.

Regards,

Uh oh. Is it possible I'm actually older than the fabled JMI?

My first foray into the underbelly of a "computer" was on a TI-99/4A circa 1982/3... They had "protected" discs that could not (would not) be copied by the firmware that came with the floppy drive expansion unit (a small refrigerator attached to the silly thing with a monster of a shielded ribbon cable that also included expansion slots for things like a 32k memory board and a UCSD P-Code card). Turns out the "protection" was just a value in the first sector that the firmware checked.

Ah, those were the days... 90k single sided, single density 5 1/4 discs. Long live the "flippie".

Hi CluelessNoob:

Lots of people started reversing before I did, not to mention did and do it better. That said, in 1988, I was already 42 years old and had been working professionally for more than 13 years in a field which only used computers for word processing. Ordinarily, I would have completed my graduate education in 1971, but that was delayed 4 years for an interruption for military service and a trip to SouthEast Asia. In the military there were a few of some of the earliest model of the Xerox copiers, but they were worthless, producing mostly brown, brittle, curled paper at an incredibly slow rate.

We actually did most of our multi-copy reports on what were then called "blue-dittos". We typed on the front of a page with blue ink on the back and a second sheet onto which the blue ink was transfered. This was then removed, placed on a drum and rolled over clean sheets of paper, transfering some ink. Most of our readers would be familiar with this system mostly from the papers school children brought home from the lower grades with school project to color and lists of simple assignments and such. Definately not "hi-tech" but better than carbon paper for making more than about 4-6 copies.

My first experience with something similar to computers, aside from my kids atari and/or Pong set, was with one of the original IBM word processing systems. It was a standalone unit, bigger than a current floor model workstation and it used a "mag card" which was not even a "disc". They hadn't even been invented yet. The magnetic material was on a "card" a little bigger than a standard American bank check of today, and it was physically removed from its sleve holder and inserted into a slot in the "box" to read and record memory.

Eventually, we progressed to the early IBM "memory typewriters, which had a small, I believe it was 24, or maybe 32 character, "window" on the left side of the keyboard, where the user could see the letters of what was typed pass by in a single line. Hard to imagine, but "way" ahead of the manual typewriters and carbon paper I intially learned to type with. And when I was in the military, the typewriters were all heavy manual models, but they worked quite well. My company eventually had IBM mainframes for accounting and payroll, but not for wordprocessing.

By 1984, we were using PS2's and DOS. Still no GUI word processing, let alone any other programs which many here could recognize. Commands were all DOS based. I acquired my first MAC+ shortly after they came out in 1986 and upgraded it to 1 Meg. It had NO harddrive and I bought an extra, external floppy. With a printer, it was over $3,000 at the time.

Eventually, I spent over $10,000 on a MAC IIci, which was the second fastest MAC of it's time. It had a 24 bit color Monitor and color card, and, if I recall correctly, a 200 Meg SCSI harddrive, which, alone, cost around $900.

I believe it was well into the 1990's before I bough my own M$ based machine. I still have a large pin which proudly proclaims "Windows 95/ Macintosh 1986.

So my reversing opportunities were severly limited by the necessity to make a living and support a family and the initial absence of machines which had practical software to assist the wantabe reversers. Available time for simply "playing" on a computer was not as frequently available as many have now. My reversing started on the MAC because that was the computer I had for "playtime" and the software I used to do electronic music was, at that time, mostly being written for the MAC.

So, to make a looong story somewhat shorter, unless you were born during or before 1945 you have no chance of being older than I am.

Regards,

how long has it been out and not cracked? I he oxygen/zone guys usually spent a few weeks to get it done right.

I believe it was released somewhere around March 2007.

Regards,

Well, considering the syncrosoft implementation that is not so surprising. Maybe I can wake deepzone up to do it once again. Might have to do something...

and there was me thinking JMI was Just My Idol ;p

Cubase 4 has been out almost a year now. 4.1 is soon ready with 64-bits support.

How to decompose large finite automata; like
protected program code is able to process encrypted data without the need to decrypt the data ever. Is it some sort of VM?

who knows, who cares, if you're so interested go research it and stop spouting gibberish

faintly remember seeing something like that but it wasnt called blue ditto here
i think it was called cyclostyle ( i recall my maths teacher bringing something called stencil and crank out the dreaded question paper with unreadable blotches of black ink spluttered all over wet and smelly

googling for cyclostyle says that it was invented by gestener in ~~1880

am I a ghost then

well some photos and a link for those who want to reminiscice

http://www.officemuseum.com/copy_machines.htm

The one on the right is the one I used. It has been replaced by the relatively cheap, and much easier to use copy machine in the "modern era." Even the IBM Selectric Typewriter, one of which is still sitting behind me, had the seperate "correction tape" roll, which was a wonderful improvement! Backspace/type the "wrong" letter on the correction tape, covering the error, backspace again, type the correct letter on the ink tape!

With the Blue Ditto, you actually had to remove the sheet from the typewriter and physically 'smear" some of the blue ink over your typing mistakes, so that you could type an effective "correction." Not nearly as simple as "backspace/ hit correct letter" on the computer. Ah, the "good old days." Not!

Regards,

OK, you win.


WRT those four years in the early 70's, thanks for your service.

On behalf of a grateful Nation, Thank You! We didn't want our families to be hearing too much of that upon our return, because, at the time, it usually was accompanied by a flag and silver coffin. There were also often large numbers of people in the streets expressing their opposition to the conflict, sometimes directing their displeasure at those who served.

It was, in actual fact, both my duty and my privilege. It was also a very interesting experience, if not always one I would want to experience again.

However, the only "choice" I had been offerred was two years service as a draftee or three years service as an enlistee. I chose "enlistee" because that was the only way to get some "choice" in what I would be doing. The "fourth year" was because I needed to start graduate school over again when I came back, taking the first year over again.

But, heck, many didn't have that option; that part about coming back and starting over.

Being in the military brings one in contact with a large group of people you might not otherwise have experienced in life. Originally, they came from all parts of the U.S. and all segments of society and then I was over there, "visiting" someone else's country.

Of cource, some of those folks had some rather strong objections to my experiencing their country "up close and personal" and could fairly have been considered "armed and dangerous." Others, however, were both interested, interesting, and quite friendly and it was an opportunity to experience a culture quite different from the one of my own experience.

Little did I realize that a great many of them were actually coming "home" with me! There are more than 40,000 within reasonable close proximity of my location. I'm still very fond of the food and can still speak some of the language.

Regards,

Jeeeezuuuus, so many old people.

Sooooo, anyone wanna help me with my trig homework? :P

JMI you're a living informatics museum.. ^_^

Why do I get the feeling that people are over-doing the "old" bit here...? I mean am I the only one, or are others noticing also that proving you are old seems to be the number one priority in this thread?

Anyways....let me pitch in too....

I'm so old... Charles Babbage came to me for advice on the "Difference Engine". Yeah! That's how old I am.

I guess that out-olds everybody here... Hooo... lotsa respect for me. I am old!

Pah!

Have Phun

Actually, the only true advantage of getting older is that it is a whole lot better than the alternative.

And just living a reasonably long time does not necessarily make one wiser, it simply makes them "older."

Regards,

this off topic went off topic, lock!

All things equal, yes. But I've known too many people who ended up much older than they should have been (thanks to medical science) that would have been better off (and in a couple cases, happier) with the alternative.

I can help you, just dont ask me to show my work because it is the exact opposite of what the teacher wants to see .

Woodmann

This means you're not old enough yet.

But your comment doesn't take into consideration that I'm already several years past the ultimate age reached by my fraternal grandfather and within a couple of months of the ultimate age reached by my father. Fortunately, the odds on the maternal side are substantially better.

Regards,

Hey JMI.... I'm still older. :P And whatever you say, I'm not hearing you!>..... tra la la la laaaa..... I have my hands over my ears.... laa dee dahh!

Have Phun

I'm old enough to have seen this technique many times before. It's where one attempts to prove their "maturity" by acting "less mature." Has it worked for you in the past.

If one were even half as clever as they presume themselves to be, they would put their hands over their eyes, so as not to "see" responses. Usually, for most ordinary people, the act of "reading" produces no "sound," unless, of course, one is subvocalizing and their lips are moving along with the words.

Riposte!

Regards,

Maybe he/she is blind and use a speech engine to "read" the responses.

speaking of the old, maybe its time some old crackers take on this protect once again. Ad you up for a game?

It was the first 2 bytes in the file were reversed, and I spent a lot of money finding that out simply because the book said "it couldn't be done", and still I believe JMI has a couple, (not many), years on me - BTW I thought I was the only idiot that went to the expense and enormous amount of learning to do on a TI99/4A what probably could have been done on a Vic or C64 with peeks and pokes.

SiGiNT

BTW sometime in the past couple of weeks I turned 0x00000039 - too bad JMI can't use that trick without an explanation - I can't next year either :-P)

Could be this:

STOP: 0x00000039 (parameter, parameter, parameter, parameter) SYSTEM_EXIT_OWNED_MUTEX.

Explanation:. This is a Windows 2000 Executive character-mode STOP ...

Regards,