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Hannover
Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 10:12 pm Download Post Post subject: !! BOYCOTT
DAVID IRVING !! NO DONATIONS, NO PURCHASES !!
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I suggest that all donations to David Irving cease immediately.
All book purchases should be stopped until he comes clean. He refuses to
speak truthfully and openly about his absurd assertions.
Irving's behavior is unethical and distorts Revisionist efforts. Irving
has become a fraud.
read below and then see:
http://forum.codoh.info/viewtopic.php?t=4558
http://forum.codoh.info/viewtopic.php?t=4563
http://forum.codoh.info/viewtopic.php?t=4548
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Paul Grubach's Public Challenge to David Irving
on His Change of Mind on Holocaust--To be widely circulated
Dear David,
You are clearly evading the issue, which is very unacceptable and is
not appreciated by those of us who provided you with all types of
support throughout the years for your Revisionist activities. You
owe us a detailed explanation in regard to your claim that there is
documentary evidence that refutes the Holocaust revisionist
position.
I represent a considerable number of your supporters who
loaned you and gave you money outright throughout the years.
Indeed, Paul Grubach loaned you $2000 back in 2004, and I donated
the interest that I was suppose to receive right back to David
Irving. That means you held my money for over a year to do as you
please with it, and then the interest that I was suppose to receive
was put right back into your pocket.
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Since over the years you received money and
overall support from the Revisionist community, it is your duty to
give that same community a detailed response to the following
question. You took our money and support, now show some decency and
respect for us by giving a thorough explanation of yourself. You
gave the Revisionist community's ideological enemy support for their
viewpoint, now be so kind to give your supporters an explanation of
your bewildering statements.
Here is the issue. You told the anti-revisionist, Jewish-Zionist
Forward that: "If the document is genuine, it refutes the view of
the revisionists that nothing happened."
You told me the document in question, the one that changed your mind
about the about the Holocaust, is the Hoefle document, at http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/docs/decode150143_Hofle.html
Presumably, this is an accurate and complete English translation of
this piece of evidence.
http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/General/Korherr/Heim311242.html
Based upon my preliminary analysis of the document, I believe it
only speaks of large scale deportations. There is no mention of any
mass murder or homicidal gas chambers. Thus, the document seems to
be entirely consistent with the Holocaust revisionist position.
Please correct me if I am mistaken.
So my question for you is this: Let us assume the document is 100%
authentic and genuine. If this is so, how does it refute the
Holocaust revisionist position? Please give a detailed and
straightforward response.
All of us do appreciate much of the outstanding work you have done
and wish you and your family well being and good fortune. In
addition, we would be willing to offer you our support again in the
future. We would like to see this rift healed.
However, I and a number of your other supporters just want from you
what is rightfully due us. That is, a forthright response to our
question.
The Revisionist Community Awaits Your Response,
Paul Grubach
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Hannover
Valued contributor
Irving's 'rehabilitation' is a crass ploy to sell books at real
history's expense.
In response to the links given above, and my various emails to him, we
have a response from Irving as shown in an another letter from Paul
Grubach
[Irving]
Wait till the book comes out.
[Grubach]
Get the picture? Paul Grubach took a considerable financial loss to help
David Irving. And there are many other people just like me. We have
already given you enough of our money. Now show us some respect and
reciprocate. Let us view your evidence immediately!
Like the weasels of the 'holocaust' Industry, Irving is all about
money. Do not give it to him. Boycott shyster David Irving. Read on.
- Hannover
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Paul Grubach's Rebuttal to David Irving on his reply
to the Public Challenge to produce the "evidence" that allegedly
refutes Holocaust revisionism. To be circulated far and wide.
Dear David,
I am afraid that your open letter email reply (October 7) to
my first public challenge was very disappointing and unacceptable.
Herewith.
You have publicly claimed that you may have evidence that "refutes"
the Holocaust revisionist position. So, I asked you to post on your
web site the "evidence" and "reasons" that changed your mind on the
Holocaust.
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You replied: "Conducting a raucous debate by Open Letter is much
the same as that hollering through the cell windows. I listen
sometimes with half an ear, and with less than half an interest, but
I shall not join in the hubbub. Whatever I say is twisted a thousand
times by a thousand hands, some well meaning, others not. Wait till
the book comes out."
In other words, all your Revisionist supporters, who gave you or
loaned you money throughout the years, will have to buy your book to
see the alleged "evidence" that "refutes" our Holocaust revisionism.
You will not show it to us; we have to spend money to purchase your
book. This immediately raises the suspicion that you made said
public claim in order to sell more of your forthcoming books and get
more money from the Revisionist community.
In order to lay to rest these suspicions about your scholarly
and moral integrity, you should post the "evidence" that "refutes"
Holocaust revisionism on your web site so all of your supporters,
such as Paul Grubach, can view the evidence free of charge. You owe
us this, David.
After all, Paul Grubach and many, many others have already loaned
you or given you thousands of dollars. You have already made enough
money off of me and other well meaning patriots and Holocaust
revisionists. For example, in 2004 I loaned you $2000. You had a
year to do as you please with my money, and then I donated the
interest right back to you. Because I wanted to help you, I incurred
a big financial loss. My financial advisor, who is following this
debate from "behind the scenes," told me that if I would have let
him invest my $2000 in certain stocks, instead of giving it to you,
he could have made me a handsome profit.
Get the picture? Paul Grubach took a considerable financial loss to
help David Irving. And there are many other people just like me. We
have already given you enough of our money. Now show us some respect
and reciprocate. Let us view your evidence immediately!
So, in view of the above facts, you should let us view the
"evidence" and "reasons" that "refutes" our Holocaust revisionism on
your web site free of charge.
And, directly contradicting what you say, the debate need not be
"raucous" and chaotic. Simply post your "evidence" and "reasons"
that allegedly refutes our Holocaust revisionism, and then I will
reply in a respectful and scholarly fashion--no name calling, no
snide remarks, and no hostile rhetoric. I will just give you a
scholarly discussion. Then, this problem can be totally alleviated
and worked out.
So how about this, David??
Paul Grubach
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If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.
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Carto's Cutlass Supreme
Valued contributor
Joined: 07 Dec 2004
Posts: 1457
Location: Northern California
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:12 am Download Post Post subject:
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I wouldn't be in favor of boycott. What if you want to learn about
Churchill. Don't buy Churchill's War?
And the Grubach letter makes it sound like "I gave you this money to
have certain opinions." I mean it doesn't say that, LOL, but it has that
feel.
Plus, how is it a letter from Paul Grubach, when it mentions "Paul
Grubach" in the "second person singular" or whatever that's called?
I think every thinker should be a free spirit to do what they want.
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Hannover
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:24 am Download Post Post subject:
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Carto's Cutlass Supreme wrote:
I wouldn't be in favor of boycott. What if you want to learn about
Churchill. Don't buy Churchill's War?
And the Grubach letter makes it sound like "I gave you this money to
have certain opinions." I mean it doesn't say that, LOL, but it has that
feel.
Plus, how is it a letter from Paul Grubach, when it mentions "Paul
Grubach" in the "second person singular" or whatever that's called?
I think every thinker should be a free spirit to do what they want.
Exactly. Don't give a dime to Irving.
Historians who refuse to respond to fair questions about their
assertions deserve to be boycotted by people who have financially
supported them in many ways.
No one is asking him to change an opinion, we are asking him to give us
the basis for his claims, we're asking for his honest reasoning. Simple
as that. Yet he dodges just like 'holocaust' liars.
Irving has been quick to encourage financial investments by well meaning
people into his 'real history' campaign. Well Carto's CS, his dodging of
honest and fair questions from investors and readers is not 'real
history', it is shysterism.
- Hannover
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It could be that Irving is in the midst of a "David Cole re-education
moment" (threatened by jewish thugs).
I do not imagine he could state new revelations from documents he has
already claimed to be forgeries.
Thus, a new document or other flimsy excuse is needed to justify his new
enlightenment.
Lets wait and see if he has the courage of Cole and reasserts his
revisionist beliefs or if he truly has turned on the people that once
admired him.
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