Imagine a case getting blown in either direction because an atty didn't promptly subpoena Verizon because onstar held back info on the mode of communication??? Some attorneys unfortunately opt to use hammer and pliers instead of the custom fast super tool the snap on tool truck conveniently had a block away............ Mitch Davis TSCM/Special Operations Group Inc. 20 Music Square West,Suite 208 Nashville, TN. 37203 USA 615.251.0441 Fax 615.523.0300 www.tscmusa.com *********************************** "Maintaining a higher degree of excellence" ***************************************** This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying it and notify the sender by reply e-mail so that the email address record can be corrected. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: TSCM/SO Group [mailto:mit..._at_tscmusa.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 3:42 PM To: tscm-..._at_googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [TSCM-L] {5711} OnStar Tracking Continues Even After Subscriptioin Cancellation (your every move) You would think,but most are too shy to hire guys like us to give them direction............. And that is the way to go to -work+ onstar related *tower %data Mitch Davis TSCM/Special Operations Group Inc. 20 Music Square West,Suite 208 Nashville, TN. 37203 USA 615.251.0441 Fax 615.523.0300 www.tscmusa.com *********************************** "Maintaining a higher degree of excellence" ***************************************** This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying it and notify the sender by reply e-mail so that the email address record can be corrected. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: bernieS [mailto:ber..._at_netaxs.com] Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:22 PM To: tscm-..._at_googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [TSCM-L] {5710} OnStar Tracking Continues Even After Subscriptioin Cancellation (your every move) Since current OnStar transceivers are all Verizon CDMA, wouldn't a court order go to Verizon instead of OnStar for geolocation (tracking) data? For that matter, law-enforcement generally doesn't even get (or think they need) a warrant to get mobile phone geolocation data from a wireless carrier: "Prosecutors and law enforcement have been getting judge approval, but no warrant, in order to get GPS information from cell phone companies on the location of suspects." http://www.experiencedcriminallawyers.com/court-limits-cell-phone-gps-tracki ng/ At 09:24 PM 10/3/2011, you wrote:Disconnect it. Onstar is nothing but a Verizon cdma tx blowing data back and forth along w audio.To date I have not observed a court order or warrant for any case where on star has complied to aid in a conviction of a crim offense or missing child. Onstar has been hardnosed on being compliant to those you would think have access to everything. The car stereo guys know how to work around onstar as onstar is tied into vehicle radio,and other features that some consumers do want.Onstar technology isn't rocket science.its one step above old dtmf/relay output technology. If anyone has any certified case data where onstar complied and their process/technology took someone down,let us know,or post the link to it. I had a 2002 tahoe where the onstar was almost useless because it didn't make the date for amp to cdma conversion,my 2005 although unsubscribed,can still work if I cough up money to run it.I prefer not,although onstar recently had a good deal going to get subscribers back that was hard topasson. Some of the gps units out there today offer the same features as onstar including audio and outputs for relay triggering.To date we have not seen a driven GM product wrapped in tin foil,(even in TN)long live on star............. Mitch Davis TSCM/Special Operations Group Inc. 20 Music Square West,Suite 208 Nashville, TN. 37203 USA 615.251.0441 Fax 615.523.0300 www.tscmusa.com *********************************** "Maintaining a higher degree of excellence" ***************************************** This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying it and notify the sender by reply e-mail so that the email address record can be corrected. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: bernieS [mailto:ber..._at_netaxs.com] Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:47 PM To: tscm-..._at_googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] {5694} OnStar Tracking Continues Even After Subscriptioin Cancellation (your every move) What's the best specific technique (besides contacting OnStar) for ensuring that a vehicle's OnStar radio transceiver cannot send data to OnStar? Short-circuit the RF/antenna connector? That technique might be the least disruptive the vehicle's internal data network. At 02:34 PM 10/3/2011, Roger wrote:Technology Beck's OnStar Concerns Were Right - Tracking Continues Even After Cancellation Two years ago, Media Matters mocked Glenn Beck for his "conspiracy theory" that OnStar had too much power with its ability to track cars, listen to conversations and ultimately turn the car off. Well, it looks like his concerns were accurate, as GM has just made a major announcement about the GPS system. Here's the video from Media Matters in 2009: <http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/09/onstar-tracks-you/>Wired now reports that even if you cancel your OnStar service, you are still being tracked: OnStar began e-mailing customers Monday about its update to the privacy policy, which grants OnStar the right to sell that GPS-derived data in an anonymized format. Adam Denison, a spokesman for the General Motors subsidiary, said OnStar does not currently sell customer data, but it reserves that right. He said both the new and old privacy policies allow OnStar to chronicle a vehicle's every movement and its speed, though it's not clear where that's stated in the oldpolicy."What's changed [is that if] you want to cancel your OnStar service, we are going to maintain a two-way connection to your vehicle unless the customer says otherwise," Denison said in a telephone interview. The connection will continue, he said, to make it "easier to re-enroll" in the program, which charges plans from $19 to $29 monthly for help with navigation andemergencies.<http://www.theblaze.com/stories/onstar-announces-tracking-continues-even-a fter-cancellation/snapz-pro-xscreensnapz065-2/>[] Continuing to collect information, Denison said, makes it easier OnStar to provide information for organizations that request it: "We hear from organizations periodically requesting our information," hesaid.He said an example of how the data might be used would be for the Michigan Department of Transportation "to get a feel for traffic usage on a specific section of freeway." The policy also allows the data to be used for marketing purposes by OnStar and vehicle manufacturers. Collecting location and speed data via GPS might also create a treasure trove of data that could be used in criminal and civil cases. One could also imagine an eager police chief acquiring the data to issue speeding tickets en masse. Wired notes that blogger and forensic scientist <http://www.zdziarski.com/blog/>Jonathan Zdziarski, who wrote about OnStar "spying on customers" GPS location for profit" said he was canceling his service and making sure he was fully disconnected. He wrote, "When will our congress pass legislation that stops the American people's privacy from being raped by large data warehousing interests? Companies like OnStar, Google, Apple, and the other large abusive data warehousing companies desperately need to be investigated."
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