Re: ***SPAM*** RE: [TSCM-L] {5712} OnStar Tracking Continues Even After Subscriptioin Cancellation (your every move)

From: James M. Atkinson <jm..._at_tscm.com>
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 17:21:53 -0400
I recommend to attorneys, that the second you get a case, start pulling all the tower records of every cell phone carrier that is within range of the incident.

It is called a "tower dump"

You first go for the raw tower records, and then go after the data which flows across the tower, and then the data that is carried behind that. By the time that the Subpoena gets to On/Star the attorney should already be three rounds ahead of On/Star.

-jma




TSCM/SO Group wrote:
Imagine a case getting blown in either direction because an atty didn't
promptly subpoena Verizon because onstar held back info on the mode of
communication???

Some attorneys unfortunately opt to use  hammer and pliers instead of the
custom fast super tool the snap on tool truck conveniently had a block
away............

Mitch Davis
TSCM/Special Operations Group Inc.
20 Music Square West,Suite 208 
Nashville, TN. 37203 USA
615.251.0441
Fax 615.523.0300
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-----Original Message-----
From: TSCM/SO Group [mailto:mit..._at_tscmusa.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 3:42 PM
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Subject: RE: [TSCM-L] {5711} OnStar Tracking Continues Even After
Subscriptioin Cancellation (your every move)

You would think,but most are too shy to hire guys like us to give them
direction.............
And that is the way to go to -work+ onstar related *tower %data

Mitch Davis
TSCM/Special Operations Group Inc.
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Nashville, TN. 37203 USA
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-----Original Message-----
From: bernieS [mailto:ber..._at_netaxs.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:22 PM
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Subject: RE: [TSCM-L] {5710} OnStar Tracking Continues Even After
Subscriptioin Cancellation (your every move)

Since current OnStar transceivers are all Verizon CDMA, wouldn't a 
court order go to Verizon instead of OnStar for geolocation 
(tracking) data?  For that matter, law-enforcement generally doesn't 
even get (or think they need) a warrant to get mobile phone 
geolocation data from a wireless carrier:

"Prosecutors and law enforcement have been getting judge approval, 
but no warrant, in order to get GPS information from cell phone 
companies on the location of 
suspects." 
http://www.experiencedcriminallawyers.com/court-limits-cell-phone-gps-tracki
ng/




At 09:24 PM 10/3/2011, you wrote:
  
Disconnect it.
Onstar is nothing but a Verizon cdma tx blowing data back and forth along w
audio.To date I have not observed a court order or warrant for any case
where on star has complied to aid in a conviction of a crim offense or
missing child.
Onstar has been hardnosed on being compliant to those you would think have
access to everything.
The car stereo guys know how to work around onstar as onstar is tied into
vehicle radio,and other features that some consumers do want.Onstar
technology isn't rocket science.its one step above old dtmf/relay output
technology.
If anyone has any certified case data where onstar complied and their
process/technology took someone down,let us know,or post the link to it.
I had a 2002 tahoe where the onstar was almost useless because it didn't
make the date for amp to cdma conversion,my 2005 although unsubscribed,can
still work if I cough up money to run it.I prefer not,although onstar
recently had a good deal going to get subscribers back that was hard to
    
pass
  
on.
Some of the gps units out there today offer the same features as onstar
including audio and outputs for relay triggering.To date we have not seen a
driven GM product wrapped in tin foil,(even in TN)long live on
star.............

Mitch Davis
TSCM/Special Operations Group Inc.
20 Music Square West,Suite 208
Nashville, TN. 37203 USA
615.251.0441
Fax 615.523.0300
www.tscmusa.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: bernieS [mailto:ber..._at_netaxs.com]
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] {5694} OnStar Tracking Continues Even After
Subscriptioin Cancellation (your every move)

What's the best specific technique (besides
contacting OnStar) for ensuring that a vehicle's
OnStar radio transceiver cannot send data to
OnStar?  Short-circuit the RF/antenna
connector?  That technique might be the least
disruptive the vehicle's internal data network.




At 02:34 PM 10/3/2011, Roger wrote:
    
Technology Beck's OnStar Concerns Were Right -
Tracking Continues Even After Cancellation




Two years ago, Media Matters mocked Glenn Beck
for his "conspiracy theory" that OnStar had too
much power with its ability to track cars,
listen to conversations and ultimately turn the
car off. Well, it looks like his concerns were
accurate, as GM has just made a major announcement about the GPS system.
Here's the video from Media Matters in 2009:
<http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/09/onstar-tracks-you/>Wired
now reports that even if you cancel your OnStar
service, you are still being tracked:
OnStar began e-mailing customers Monday about
its update to the privacy policy, which grants
OnStar the right to sell that GPS-derived data in an anonymized format.
Adam Denison, a spokesman for the General Motors
subsidiary, said OnStar does not currently sell
customer data, but it reserves that right. He
said both the new and old privacy policies allow
OnStar to chronicle a vehicle's every movement
and its speed, though it's not clear where that's stated in the old
      
policy.
  
"What's changed [is that if] you want to cancel
your OnStar service, we are going to maintain a
two-way connection to your vehicle unless the
customer says otherwise," Denison said in a telephone interview.
The connection will continue, he said, to make
it "easier to re-enroll" in the program, which
charges plans from $19 to $29 monthly for help with navigation and
      
emergencies.
    
<http://www.theblaze.com/stories/onstar-announces-tracking-continues-even-a
fter-cancellation/snapz-pro-xscreensnapz065-2/>
    
[]

Continuing to collect information, Denison said,
makes it easier OnStar to provide information
for organizations that request it:
"We hear from organizations periodically requesting our information," he
      
said.
    
He said an example of how the data might be used
would be for the Michigan Department of
Transportation "to get a feel for traffic usage
on a specific section of freeway." The policy
also allows the data to be used for marketing
purposes by OnStar and vehicle manufacturers.
Collecting location and speed data via GPS might
also create a treasure trove of data that could
be used in criminal and civil cases. One could
also imagine an eager police chief acquiring the
data to issue speeding tickets en masse.

Wired notes that blogger and forensic scientist
<http://www.zdziarski.com/blog/>Jonathan
Zdziarski, who wrote about OnStar "spying on
customers" GPS location for profit" said he was
canceling his service and making sure he was
fully disconnected. He wrote, "When will our
congress pass legislation that stops the
American people's privacy from being raped by
large data warehousing interests? Companies like
OnStar, Google, Apple, and the other large
abusive data warehousing companies desperately need to be investigated."
      




  

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