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Well I know that having a 8x10 or 24x36 shot of a room back at the office i=
s a great 'thinking tool.' I can see things on that photo that may not be =
evident at first, second or even 3rd visit.
Also its great reference to document any changes that may have been made bu=
y authorized or 'UN-' authorized persons.
Lets remember, a picture is worth a 1000 words.
Onion
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Schmiedl<mailto:eric.s..._at_gmail.com>
To: TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com<mailto:TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 6:00 PM
Subject: [TSCM-L] {3108} Re: Pearls Before Swine Series - Scope of Work M=
atrix
I don't know about Thomas, but I'm honestly curious whether an 8x10
camera is actually useful for TSCM. My suspicion is that it's not --
that modern camera technology has eliminated all the advantages that
8x10 once had, but that James isn't aware since he's a TSCM expert and
not a photographer -- but I'm certainly open to the idea that an 8x10 is
the only way to go.
Best,
Eric
Its from Onion wrote:
> Gentlemen,
> Give the boss a break. That’s ONE piece of equipment of MANY ideas h=
e
> gave on his list. I personally open a door and pause before stepping
> out. Old habits die hard and once learned, it gives ya a warm fuzzy.
>
> Granted, many NEW ways of doing things and may be better, may not be. =
A
> video engineer is one of my past lives so I think film is a 4-letter F
> word, but hey; that’s me!!
>
> haha
>
> Merry Christmas all
> Onion
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Thomas Shaddack <mailto:tsc..._at_shaddack.mauriceward.com<mai=
lto:tsc..._at_shaddack.mauriceward.com>>
> *To:* TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com<mailto:TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com> <=
mailto:TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com<mailto:TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com>>
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 21, 2008 2:10 PM
> *Subject:* [TSCM-L] {3102} Re: Pearls Before Swine Series - Scope o=
f
> Work Matrix
>
>
>
> A film is high-res but significantly cumbersome and expensive to de=
al
> with.
>
> Did you consider using a modified scanner as a very high resolution
> camera?
>
> Like e.g. here?
> http://www.sentex.net/~mwandel/tech/scanner.html<http://www.sentex.=
net/~mwandel/tech/scanner.html>
>
> The scenes are stationary, so the time it takes to acquire the imag=
e is
> not of a significant concern. Relatively slow operation of a flatbe=
d
> scanner therefore is not an obstacle. The achievable resolution can=
be
> theoretically very high and, with the right construction of the
> scanning
> mechanics, 360-degree panoramic photographs can be made. See e.g. h=
ere:
> http://home.roadrunner.com/~maccody/robotics/PanoramaScanCam/index.=
html<
http://home.roadrunner.com/~maccody/robotics/PanoramaScanCam/index.htm=
l>
>
>
> Another thought to consider is leveraging the near-infrared
> sensitivity of
> the CCD and make four-color infrared-red-green-blue images.
>
> Yet another possibility leads us to the field of hyperspectral imag=
ing;
> use a powerful source of monochrome light as the only source of
> illumination for the scene (alternatively, use a monochromator in
> front of
> the CCD sensor) and make a lot of black-and-white photographs in
> different
> wavelengths, with some suitable stepping (e.g. each 5 nm?) across t=
he
> entire sensitivity range of the sensor. May significantly increase =
the
> tactical capabilities of image analysis, working around the
> limitations of
> conventional red-green-blue imaging.
>
> A variant on this may be using ultraviolet light for scene
> illumination,
> and recording the fluorescence.
>
> This technique may have applications in general forensics, way
> beyond the
> scope of TSCM itself.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > An 8x10 sheet of film will capture more details than a digital
> > camera, and with the responsiveness of modern film you can set th=
e
> > camera up once, run six different kinds of film into it, and have=
a
> > range of images with each capturing a little bit different
> spectrum response.
> >
> > You can scan the film at a 1:1 ratio to overlay the other images,=
or
> > you can just blow up the images to 16x20, or print it as a contac=
t
> > print for archiving and reference on future sweeps.
> >
> > If I can get a camera into the phone room early in the sweep I wi=
ll
> > use the prints as a working document that I can write on as I che=
ck
> > each and every wire or connection that may effect the area I am
> > inspecting. This way I can creating a working document based on t=
he
> > pictures and record my notes and comments in real time right on t=
he
> > paper. Basically the prints get used to create an inspection char=
t
> > that you can use for not just this sweep but also for future swee=
ps.
> >
> > I do the same thing with the insides of the phone instruments to
> > supplement the actual measurements made with other instruments. T=
he
> > tough thing is that most sweeps do not warrant this attention to
> > detail, so a digital camera can be used in these cases when the b=
ig
> > sheets of film would be prohibited.
> >
> > My experience is the older, messier, or more chaotic the wiring
> > blocks are the more you really want to get the large photographs
> > taken and printed.
> >
> > A skilled TSCM person or photographer can bring the camera into t=
he
> > wiring rooms or server rooms concealed inside something along wit=
h
> > some compact strobes mounted right to the lens board. The camera =
can
> > be pre-focused for either 24 or 30 inches, and you just use a rul=
er
> > to ensure the correct distances instead of focusing. You also use=
a
> > really tight aperture, and a whole lot of flash.
> >
> > -jma
> >
> >
> >
> > At 01:52 PM 12/19/2008, Eric Schmiedl wrote:
> >
> > >James M. Atkinson wrote:
> > >
> > > > This is also on a per person basis for an engineer; half this
> amount
> > > > for a technician, surveyor, or architect; and a quarter this
> amount
> > > > for non-technical (non PI) people (ie: electrician, plumber, =
HVAC,
> > > > trades, scribe, photographer, truck driver, painter, lumpers,
> etc),
> > > > and an eighth this amount for PI or security person (although=
most
> > > > PIs can qualify as photographers and scribes if they play the=
ir
> > > > skills right, and being able to work a 8*10 camera and darkro=
om is
> > > > more important then a digital camera.
> > >
> > >Speaking as a photographer, what on earth would a TSCM specialis=
t
> need
> > >an 8x10 camera for?
> > >
> > >Even high-end architectural photographers these days generally u=
se
> > >either digtal SLRs (and software perspective correction) or medi=
um
> > >format digital backs attached to miniature view-camera-esque bod=
ies.
> >
> >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------=
---------------------------------
> > World Class, Professional, Ethical, and Competent Bug Sweeps, =
and
> > Wiretap Detection using Sophisticated Laboratory Grade Test Equip=
ment.
> >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------=
---------------------------------
> > James M. Atkinson Phone: (978)
> 546-3803
> > Granite Island Group Fax: (978)
> 546-9467
> > 127 Eastern Avenue #291 Web: http://www.tscm=
.com/<
http://www.tscm.com/>
> > Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 E-mail:
> mailto:jm..._at_tscm.com<mailto:jm..._at_tscm.com>
> >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------=
---------------------------------
> > We perform bug sweeps like it's a full contact sport, we take n=
o
> prisoners,
> > and we give no quarter. Our goal is to simply, and completely sto=
p
> the spy.
> >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------=
---------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
>
>
> >
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<DIV>Well I know that having a 8x10 or 24x36 shot of a room back at the off=
ice
is a great 'thinking tool.' I can see things on that photo that may n=
ot be
evident at first, second or even 3rd visit.</DIV>
<DIV>Also its great reference to document any changes that may have been ma=
de
buy authorized or 'UN-' authorized persons.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Lets remember, a picture is worth a 1000 words. </DIV>
<DIV>Onion</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A
title=mailto:eric.s..._at_gmail.com
href="mailto:eric.s..._at_gmail.com">Eric Schmiedl</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=mailto:TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com
href="mailto:TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com">TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com</A>=
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, December 21, 2008 6:=
00
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [TSCM-L] {3108} Re: Pearl=
s
Before Swine Series - Scope of Work Matrix</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>I don't know about Thomas, but I'm honestly curious wh=
ether
an 8x10<BR>camera is actually useful for TSCM. My suspicion is that it's =
not
--<BR>that modern camera technology has eliminated all the advantages
that<BR>8x10 once had, but that James isn't aware since he's a TSCM exper=
t
and<BR>not a photographer -- but I'm certainly open to the idea that an 8=
x10
is<BR>the only way to go.<BR><BR>Best,<BR>Eric<BR><BR>Its from Onion
wrote:<BR>> Gentlemen,<BR>> Give the boss a break. That’s O=
NE
piece of equipment of MANY ideas he<BR>> gave on his list. I
personally open a door and pause before stepping<BR>> out. Old h=
abits
die hard and once learned, it gives ya a warm fuzzy.<BR>> <BR>&g=
t;
Granted, many NEW ways of doing things and may be better, may not be.&nbs=
p;
A<BR>> video engineer is one of my past lives so I think film is a 4-l=
etter
F<BR>> word, but hey; that’s me!!<BR>> <BR>> haha<BR>>=
;
<BR>> Merry Christmas all<BR>> Onion<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>> *From:* Thomas Shaddack <<A
title=mailto:tsc..._at_shaddack.mauriceward.com
href="mailto:tsc..._at_shaddack.mauriceward.com">mailto:tsc..._at_shaddack.ma=
uriceward.com</A>><BR>>
*To:* <A title=mailto:TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com
href="mailto:TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com">TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com</A>=
<<A title=mailto:TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com
href="mailto:TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com">mailto:TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.co=
m</A>><BR>>
*Sent:* Sunday, December 21, 2008 2:10 PM<BR>> =
*Subject:* [TSCM-L] {3102} Re: Pearls Before Swine Series - Scope
of<BR>> Work Matrix<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>=
<BR>> A film is high-res but significantly
cumbersome and expensive to deal<BR>> with.<BR=
>>
<BR>> Did you consider using a modified scanne=
r as
a very high resolution<BR>> camera?<BR>>
<BR>> Like e.g.
here?<BR>> <A
title=
http://www.sentex.net/~mwandel/tech/scanner.html
href="
http://www.sentex.net/~mwandel/tech/scanner.html">
http://www.sent=
ex.net/~mwandel/tech/scanner.html</A><BR>>
<BR>> The scenes are stationary, so the time i=
t
takes to acquire the image is<BR>> not of a
significant concern. Relatively slow operation of a
flatbed<BR>> scanner therefore is not an obsta=
cle.
The achievable resolution can be<BR>> theoreti=
cally
very high and, with the right construction of
the<BR>> scanning<BR>> &nb=
sp;
mechanics, 360-degree panoramic photographs can be made. See e.g.
here:<BR>> <A
title=
http://home.roadrunner.com/~maccody/robotics/PanoramaScanCam/inde=
x.html
href="
http://home.roadrunner.com/~maccody/robotics/PanoramaScanCam/inde=
x.html">
http://home.roadrunner.com/~maccody/robotics/PanoramaScanCam/index.=
html</A><BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> Another thought to consider is=
leveraging the near-infrared<BR>> sensitivity=
of<BR>> the CCD and make four-color
infrared-red-green-blue images.<BR>> <BR>> =
Yet
another possibility leads us to the field of hyperspectral
imaging;<BR>> use a powerful source of monochr=
ome
light as the only source of<BR>> illumination =
for
the scene (alternatively, use a monochromator
in<BR>> front of<BR>> &nbs=
p;
the CCD sensor) and make a lot of black-and-white photographs
in<BR>> different<BR>> &nb=
sp;
wavelengths, with some suitable stepping (e.g. each 5 nm?) across
the<BR>> entire sensitivity range of the senso=
r.
May significantly increase the<BR>> tactical=
capabilities of image analysis, working around
the<BR>> limitations
of<BR>> conventional red-green-blue
imaging.<BR>> <BR>> A variant on this may b=
e
using ultraviolet light for scene<BR>>
illumination,<BR>> and recording the
fluorescence.<BR>> <BR>> This technique may=
have
applications in general forensics, way<BR>> be=
yond
the<BR>> scope of TSCM itself.<BR>> <BR>>=
;
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
><BR>> > An 8x10 sheet of film will capt=
ure
more details than a digital<BR>> > camera, =
and
with the responsiveness of modern film you can set
the<BR>> > camera up once, run six differen=
t
kinds of film into it, and have a<BR>> > ra=
nge
of images with each capturing a little bit
different<BR>> spectrum
response.<BR>> ><BR>> &=
nbsp;
> You can scan the film at a 1:1 ratio to overlay the other images,
or<BR>> > you can just blow up the images t=
o
16x20, or print it as a contact<BR>> > prin=
t for
archiving and reference on future sweeps.<BR>> =
><BR>> > If I can get a camera into the =
phone
room early in the sweep I will<BR>> > use t=
he
prints as a working document that I can write on as I
check<BR>> > each and every wire or connect=
ion
that may effect the area I am<BR>> > inspec=
ting.
This way I can creating a working document based on
the<BR>> > pictures and record my notes and=
comments in real time right on the<BR>> > p=
aper.
Basically the prints get used to create an inspection
chart<BR>> > that you can use for not just =
this
sweep but also for future sweeps.<BR>>
><BR>> > I do the same thing with the in=
sides
of the phone instruments to<BR>> > suppleme=
nt
the actual measurements made with other instruments.
The<BR>> > tough thing is that most sweeps =
do
not warrant this attention to<BR>> > detail=
, so
a digital camera can be used in these cases when the
big<BR>> > sheets of film would be
prohibited.<BR>>
><BR>> > My experience is the older, mes=
sier,
or more chaotic the wiring<BR>> > blocks ar=
e the
more you really want to get the large
photographs<BR>> > taken and
printed.<BR>> ><BR>> &n=
bsp;
> A skilled TSCM person or photographer can bring the camera into
the<BR>> > wiring rooms or server rooms
concealed inside something along with<BR>> >=
;
some compact strobes mounted right to the lens board. The camera
can<BR>> > be pre-focused for either 24 or =
30
inches, and you just use a ruler<BR>> > to=
ensure the correct distances instead of focusing. You also use
a<BR>> > really tight aperture, and a whole=
lot
of flash.<BR>> ><BR>> &=
nbsp;
> -jma<BR>> ><BR>> &=
nbsp;
><BR>> ><BR>> =
>
At 01:52 PM 12/19/2008, Eric Schmiedl wrote:<BR>> &nb=
sp;
><BR>> > >James M. Atkinson
wrote:<BR>> >
><BR>> > > > This is also on a per=
person basis for an engineer; half this<BR>> =
amount<BR>> > > > for a technician,=
surveyor, or architect; and a quarter this<BR>>  =
;
amount<BR>> > > > for non-technical (=
non
PI) people (ie: electrician, plumber, HVAC,<BR>> &nbs=
p;
> > > trades, scribe, photographer, truck driver, painter,
lumpers,<BR>> etc),<BR>> &=
nbsp;
> > > and an eighth this amount for PI or security person (altho=
ugh
most<BR>> > > > PIs can qualify as
photographers and scribes if they play their<BR>> &nb=
sp;
> > > skills right, and being able to work a 8*10 camera and dar=
kroom
is<BR>> > > > more important then a=
digital camera.<BR>> >
><BR>> > >Speaking as a photographer,=
what
on earth would a TSCM specialist<BR>>
need<BR>> > >an 8x10 camera
for?<BR>> > ><BR>> &=
nbsp;
> >Even high-end architectural photographers these days generally=
use<BR>> > >either digtal SLRs (and soft=
ware
perspective correction) or medium<BR>> >
>format digital backs attached to miniature view-camera-esque
bodies.<BR>> ><BR>> &nb=
sp;
><BR>>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
---------------------------<BR>>
> World Class, Professional, Ethical, and Competent =
Bug
Sweeps, and<BR>> > Wiretap Detection using=
Sophisticated Laboratory Grade Test Equipment.<BR>> &=
nbsp;
><BR>>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
---------------------------<BR>>
> James M.
Atkinson  =
; &n=
bsp;
Phone: (978)<BR>>
546-3803<BR>> > Granite Island=
Group &n=
bsp;  =
;
Fax: (978)<BR>> =
546-9467<BR>> > 127 Eastern Ave=
nue
#291 &nb=
sp;
Web: <A title=
http://www.tscm.com/
href="
http://www.tscm.com/">
http://www.tscm.com/</A><BR>>  =
;
> Gloucester, MA
01931-8008 &nb=
sp;
E-mail: <BR>> <A title=mailto:jm..._at_tscm.com=
href="mailto:jm..._at_tscm.com">mailto:jm..._at_tscm.com</A><BR>> &nb=
sp;
><BR>>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
---------------------------<BR>>
> We perform bug sweeps like it's a full contact sport, we=
take
no<BR>> prisoners,<BR>> &n=
bsp;
> and we give no quarter. Our goal is to simply, and completely
stop<BR>> the spy.<BR>> &n=
bsp;
><BR>>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
---------------------------<BR>>
><BR>> ><BR>> =
><BR>> ><BR>> =
>
><BR>> <BR>> <BR>> >
<BR><BR>
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