MORE Re: [TSCM-L] {5693} OnStar Tracking Continues Even After SubscriptioinCancellation (your every move) from Edward J. Michaels on 2011-10-03 (file.mbox)

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Not true anymore. The U.S. analog cellular=20
(AMPS) networks were shut down in 2008 and=20
AMPS-compliant cellular transceivers (such as=20
those previously used by OnStar) have been unable=20
to communicate with OnStar since.

Prior to that, analog OnStar communications were=20
readily monitorable in the 800 MHz cellular radio=20
band. Typically it was drivers calling OnStar to=20
ask for driving directions, but during such calls=20
you could hear everything going on inside the vehicle. Not anymore.

At 03:06 PM 10/3/2011, you wrote:
>As taught to me by a now retired United States=20
>Deputy Marshal when he was on the Fugitive=20
>Investigative Strike Team: If a car has an older=20
>analogue On-Star, anyone with a pre cellular=20
>frequency monitor ban "scanner" or one illegally=20
>modified or non-USA version can listen to every=20
>word said in your analogue On-Star equipped GM=20
>or Mercedes Benz vehicle while within range of=20
>the vehicle's now outdated, still powered=20
>transmitter. The actual analogue On-Star=20
>transciever you really need to disable was=20
>typically installed behind the "glove box" of=20
>most vehicles with analogue On-Star.
>
>Ed 24/7 856.685.9435 "We sleep soundly in our=20
>beds because rough men stand ready in the night=20
>to visit violence on those who would do us harm." - Winston S. Churchill
>From: "Roger" <bugs..._at_earthlink.net>
>Sender: tscm-..._at_googlegroups.com
>Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 12:34:56 -0600
>To: <tscm-..._at_googlegroups.com>; <TSCM..._at_yahoogroups.com>
>ReplyTo: tscm-..._at_googlegroups.com
>Subject: [TSCM-L] {5693} OnStar Tracking=20
>Continues Even After Subscriptioin Cancellation (your every move)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Technology Beck=92s OnStar Concerns Were Right =AD=20
>Tracking Continues Even After Cancellation
>
>
>
>
>Two years ago, Media Matters mocked Glenn Beck=20
>for his =93conspiracy theory=94 that OnStar had too=20
>much power with its ability to track cars,=20
>listen to conversations and ultimately turn the=20
>car off. Well, it looks like his concerns were=20
>accurate, as GM has just made a major announcement about the GPS system.
>Here=92s the video from Media Matters in 2009:
><http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/09/onstar-tracks-you/>Wired=20
>now reports that even if you cancel your OnStar=20
>service, you are still being tracked:
>OnStar began e-mailing customers Monday about=20
>its update to the privacy policy, which grants=20
>OnStar the right to sell that GPS-derived data in an anonymized format.
>Adam Denison, a spokesman for the General Motors=20
>subsidiary, said OnStar does not currently sell=20
>customer data, but it reserves that right. He=20
>said both the new and old privacy policies allow=20
>OnStar to chronicle a vehicle=92s every movement=20
>and its speed, though it=92s not clear where that=92s stated in the old po=
licy.
>=93What=92s changed [is that if] you want to cancel=20
>your OnStar service, we are going to maintain a=20
>two-way connection to your vehicle unless the=20
>customer says otherwise,=94 Denison said in a telephone interview.
>The connection will continue, he said, to make=20
>it =93easier to re-enroll=94 in the program, which=20
>charges plans from $19 to $29 monthly for help with navigation and emergen=
cies.
>
><http://www.theblaze.com/stories/onstar-announces-tracking-continues-even-=
after-cancellation/snapz-pro-xscreensnapz065-2/>
>[]
>
>Continuing to collect information, Denison said,=20
>makes it easier OnStar to provide information=20
>for organizations that request it:
>=93We hear from organizations periodically requesting our information,=94 =
he said.
>He said an example of how the data might be used=20
>would be for the Michigan Department of=20
>Transportation =93to get a feel for traffic usage=20
>on a specific section of freeway.=94 The policy=20
>also allows the data to be used for marketing=20
>purposes by OnStar and vehicle manufacturers.
>Collecting location and speed data via GPS might=20
>also create a treasure trove of data that could=20
>be used in criminal and civil cases. One could=20
>also imagine an eager police chief acquiring the=20
>data to issue speeding tickets en masse.
>
>Wired notes that blogger and forensic scientist=20
><http://www.zdziarski.com/blog/>Jonathan=20
>Zdziarski, who wrote about OnStar =93spying on=20
>customers=94 GPS location for profit=94 said he was=20
>canceling his service and making sure he was=20
>fully disconnected. He wrote, =93When will our=20
>congress pass legislation that stops the=20
>American people=92s privacy from being raped by=20
>large data warehousing interests? Companies like=20
>OnStar, Google, Apple, and the other large=20
>abusive data warehousing companies desperately need to be investigated.=94

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Not true anymore.  The U.S. analog cellular (AMPS) networks were
shut down in 2008 and AMPS-compliant cellular transceivers (such as those
previously used by OnStar) have been unable to communicate with OnStar
since.  
Prior to that, analog OnStar communications were readily monitorable in
the 800 MHz cellular radio band.  Typically it was drivers calling
OnStar to ask for driving directions, but during such calls you could
hear everything going on inside the vehicle.  Not anymore. 
  
 
At 03:06 PM 10/3/2011, you wrote: 
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">As taught to me by a now ret=
ired
United States Deputy Marshal when he was on the Fugitive Investigative
Strike Team: If a car has an older analogue On-Star, anyone with a pre
cellular frequency monitor ban "scanner" or one illegally
modified or non-USA version can listen to every word said in your
analogue On-Star equipped GM or Mercedes Benz vehicle while within range
of the vehicle's now outdated, still powered transmitter. The actual
analogue On-Star transciever you really need to disable was typically
installed behind the "glove box" of most vehicles with analogue
On-Star. 
Ed 24/7 856.685.9435 "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men
stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us
harm." - Winston S. Churchill 
From: "Roger" <bug..._at_earthlink.net> 
Sender: tscm-..._at_googlegroups.com 
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 12:34:56 -0600 
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Subject: [TSCM-L] {5693} OnStar Tracking Continues Even After
Subscriptioin Cancellation (your every move) 
  
  
  
 
  
  
 
<h1>Technology Beck=92s OnStar Concerns Were Right =AD
Tracking Continues Even After Cancellation</h1> 
  
Two years ago, Media Matters mocked Glenn Beck for his =93conspiracy
theory=94 that OnStar had too much power with its
ability to track
cars, listen =
to
conversations and ultimately turn the car off. Well,
it looks like his concerns were accurate, as GM has just made a major
announcement about the GPS system. 
Here=92s the video from Media Matters in 2009: 
<a href=3D"http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/09/onstar-tracks-you/">
Wired</a> now reports that even if you cancel your OnStar service, you
are still being tracked: 

<dl>
<dd>OnStar began e-mailing customers Monday about its update to the
privacy policy, which grants OnStar the right to sell that GPS-derived
data in an anonymized format. 

<dd>Adam Denison, a spokesman for the General Motors subsidiary, said
OnStar does not currently sell customer data, but it reserves that right.
He said both the new and old privacy policies allow OnStar to chronicle a
vehicle=92s every movement and its speed, though it=92s not clear where
that=92s stated in the old policy. 

<dd>=93What=92s changed [is that if] you want to cancel your OnStar service=
,
we are going to maintain a two-way connection to your vehicle unless the
customer says otherwise,=94 Denison said in a telephone interview. 

<dd>The connection will continue, he said, to make it =93easier to
re-enroll=94 in the program, which charges plans from $19 to $29 monthly
for help with navigation and emergencies. 
 

</dl>
<a href=3D"http://www.theblaze.com/stories/onstar-announces-tracking-contin=
ues-even-after-cancellation/snapz-pro-xscreensnapz065-2/">
<img src=3D"http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Snapz-Pro-XS=
creenSnapz0651-620x407.jpg" width=3D620 height=3D407 alt=3D"[]">
</a> 
Continuing to collect information, Denison said, makes it easier OnStar
to provide information for organizations that request it: 

<dl>
<dd>=93We hear from organizations periodically requesting our information,=
=94
he said. 

<dd>He said an example of how the data might be used would be for the
Michigan Department of Transportation =93to get a feel for traffic usage on
a specific section of freeway.=94 The policy also allows the data to be
used for marketing purposes by OnStar and vehicle manufacturers. 

<dd>Collecting location and speed data via GPS might also create a
treasure trove of data that could be used in criminal and civil cases.
One could also imagine an eager police chief acquiring the data to issue
speeding tickets en masse. 
 

</dl>Wired notes that blogger and forensic scientist
<a href=3D"http://www.zdziarski.com/blog/">Jonathan Zdziarski</a>, who
wrote about OnStar =93spying on customers=94 GPS location for profit=94 sai=
d he
was canceling his service and making sure he was fully disconnected. He
wrote, =93When will our congress pass legislation that stops the American
people=92s privacy from being raped by large data warehousing interests?
Companies like OnStar, Google, Apple, and the other large abusive data
warehousing companies desperately need to be
investigated.=94</blockquote></body>
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